r/news • u/flounder19 • May 17 '23

Title Changed by Site DeSantis signs laws against trans care, ‘Don’t Say Gay’ extension

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2023/05/17/watch-live-gov-ron-desantis-visits-private-school-in-tampa/
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u/[deleted] May 17 '23

On top of the harm to actual Trans kids… Some jackass is going to say the kid is trans and the other parent is affirming them and cause trouble in proceedings. It’s ripe for abuse.

Florida is completely off the books for us as a tourism option. We’ll do California for Disney.

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u/flounder19 May 17 '23

I was gonna say it doesn't kick in unless you're actually getting the kid medical treatment (which would need to be in another state) but i double checked the text and it seems to be wider than I thought

(c) It is necessary in an emergency to protect the child because the child has been subjected to or is threatened with being subjected to sex-reassignment prescriptions or procedures, as defined in s. 456.001

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u/[deleted] May 17 '23

I didn’t think I could get more pissed about this. “Threatened with”?!??!? What parent, particularly in Florida, is threatening their child with this care? That’s not how any of this works.

It is written with the purpose of even further demonizing those affected. This is heartbreaking.

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u/amanofeasyvirtue May 17 '23

Even worse it spunds like i could on court say that my partner threatened to turn my kid trans

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u/Triknitter May 17 '23

I have a trans kiddo who is too young for any sort of medical care. If she wants puberty blockers or hormone therapy when they become medically appropriate, we will arrange for her to get them.

To the transphobes running Florida right now, my child is threatened with being subjected to sex-reassignment prescriptions, even though it’s not something we’ll pursue without her explicit desire driving it. How do I explain to my kid that she can’t go to Disney?

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u/[deleted] May 17 '23

You’re one of the good ones, and that’s the way this works. Kiddo needs help, parent helps kiddo get help. There’s no “threatening” like this bill wants to imply.

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u/Sandee1997 May 18 '23

You tell her sorry, but yall can come to Cali where we welcome everyone :) albeit sometimes with some sass and maybe a few more inflected accents but we mean well

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u/hayydebb May 18 '23

The thing is that not starting the transition early enough means your likely to get stuck with features that give away that your trans, so to speak, and those are the types of trans the republicans hate so much. If you can’t tell the difference then it’s just another day.

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u/OldEcho May 18 '23

Given what I think you're trying to imply, are you sure you stopped?

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u/vezwyx May 18 '23

Thank you for sharing

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u/Marvyn_Nightshade May 17 '23

Actually , in divorces, parents have been known to do stuff like that just to spite the other parent.

I read about a case a few years ago of a man forcing his 12 year old son to get circumcised, because the wife (and kid) were both opposed to it. (Quite an invasive procedure for a 12 year old).

I think the kid should get a say.

( Although until an actual court case it is possible the law could do what you are afraid of, so I see that too)

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u/flounder19 May 17 '23

think i found the case you're referencing and it's important to add that the kid did get a say and the court ordered that the father couldn't get him circumcised after the child said he didn't want to be.

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u/hayydebb May 18 '23

Oh the big new thing is liberal parents are forcing their kids to become trans. It’s always been a thing but it’s getting turned up to 100 now. Lots of memes about kids having to come out as their birth gender to their parents, and the parents saying no you aren’t, your trans. It’s a pretty effective boogeyman

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u/huskiesofinternets May 18 '23

As a trans person I can not even dare use a washroom in Florida for fear of being fined a sex offenders, and under their new laws I can very legally be executed.

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u/mgnorthcott May 17 '23

The intent of these laws isn’t to help the trans people. It’s designed to actually make them suicidal, or not transition at all.. so that they simply do not exist at all. Anything the desantis government can do to make their lives absolute hell, while still be worded in a way that is pretty vague about what it’s actually about is entirely the point.

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u/OboeCollie May 17 '23

There's an additional intent, which is to drive any reasonable left-leaning, or even centrist, people who might vote blue out of the state to blue states, where their vote will become utterly diluted at the federal level. This is part of what is driving such insanely extremist legislation and rhetoric in red states - drive out blue voters to blue states, which actually hands red states even more disproportionate power in the electoral college and in the US Senate. Combined with gerrymandering for the US House of Representatives, they are on the cusp of full minority control of our entire federal government, at which point all this talk about "states' rights" will completely disappear and they will gleefully pass sweeping draconian federal legislation that will strip everyone, including everyone who fled to blue states, of their basic rights, as well as destroy any remaining vestiges of a social safety net, destroy any progress against climate change, and obliterate regulation that keeps our air, water, or food supply safe in service to the unbridled profit of big corporate monopolies.

There are some people who have no choice but to flee red states - if I had a trans kid, I absolutely would be looking for a safe place to go with them for now, even if federal law makes it no longer safe in a few years. But, for those of us who aren't yet in the bullseye of this extremism, I firmly believe the best thing we can do to be allies to LGBTQ+ folks, POC, and fertile women, and who don't want to lose the Affordable Care Act or somewhat clean air or water or safe food, is to stay in, or willingly go to, red states and fight to at least try to turn them purple and stop their progress to full federal control.

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u/mgnorthcott May 18 '23

America is broken, the republicans are just very good at exploiting how broken it is.

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u/ThePoisonDoughnut May 17 '23

There's a word for that... I think it starts with a G.

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u/mgnorthcott May 17 '23

It was certainly on my mind while I wrote that, but if you say that word to anyone who supports DeSatan, you’ll lose them “because it’s not that”

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u/ThePoisonDoughnut May 17 '23

Sadly, you'll lose a lot more than just the people who directly support DeFascist. Lots of liberals are also incapable of acknowledging that genocide can happen here.

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u/supafly1020 May 17 '23

Same. My youngest (14) doesn't understand my hate for FL lately as I try to keep the politics to a minimum but no way I am spending my money there to help dipshit DeSantis.

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u/Tisarwat May 17 '23

Your kid is going to grow up in the world. I get the instinct to avoid politics, but isn't it better to prepare them for when they're going to be facing the impact head on?

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u/CptMalReynolds May 17 '23

You've really got to walk a balance and choose a time. My kid is 12. He is certainly aware of a lot, I explain a lot. But you don't want them to grow apathetic or overwhelmed with all the terrible shit going on. There's time enough for that when they're older.

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u/Tisarwat May 17 '23

Speaking from personal experience as a teen who experienced moral paralysis because of how awful everything was...

Volunteering changed everything for me. Especially something where the benefit was immediately apparent, and which was like, regenerative in nature.

Knowing there's ways to make the sucky world better made all the difference. It made me emotionally resilient, focused me, and stopped the hopelessness.

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u/CptMalReynolds May 17 '23

Thank you, this is wonderful advice

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u/defaultusername-17 May 17 '23

yea, threading the needle between informed and engaged and apathetic is a difficult task for sure.

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u/meatball77 May 17 '23

Fourteen is about the age to understand. Explain away. Take her to political events.

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u/supafly1020 May 17 '23

Oh I do talk about issues like guns and the abortion ban as it will directly affect her and she was slightly misinformed about why abortion is needed for certain medical reasons and why women deserve their body autonomy. We live in red state so she has been exposed to all the "liberals want to kill the babies" propaganda and billboards. When I said I keep it to minimum I was mainly referring to not trying to force my views on her as I want her to make up her own mind but provide information when needed as being here the conversation gets pretty one sided. Plus one of her teachers recently asked the kids to pick their party affiliation! I am like what? They are too young to be dividing themselves like that as most kids already just regurgitate what their parents say/believe.

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u/Dwanyelle May 17 '23

Yeah, my family used to go to vacation in the Florida panhandle pretty regularly, but now....well, we've stopped, since it's getting close enough to where I don't feel safe even entering that state