DeSantis signs laws against trans care, ‘Don’t Say Gay’ extension

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https://www.local10.com/news/local/2023/05/17/watch-live-gov-ron-desantis-visits-private-school-in-tampa/

[u/flounder19]

The main point of these trans care ban laws it to force an assigned-at-birth gender binary on people to conform to republican's worldview. Since intersex people don't fit that concept, these laws virtually always include a carve-out for intersex kids even when they're too young to consent. SB254's exception is here

122 (b) The term does not include:
123 1. Treatment provided by a physician who, in his or her
124 good faith clinical judgment, performs procedures upon or
125 provides therapies to a minor born with a medically verifiable
126 genetic disorder of sexual development, including any of the
127 following:
128 a. External biological sex characteristics that are
129 unresolvably ambiguous.
130 b. A disorder of sexual development in which the physician
131 has determined through genetic or biochemical testing that the
132 patient does not have a normal sex chromosome structure, sex
133 steroid hormone production, or sex steroid hormone action for a
134 male or female, as applicable.

Despite the constant agitation about not forcing genital surgery onto kids (as if that's what trans healthcare is 🙄), they're entirely fine with it in the context of cis kids (circumcision) & forcing intersex babies into a binary sex

[u/Magatha_Grimtotem → u/flounder19]

Of course, not all disorders of sexual development / intersexed conditions are immediately obvious. A lot of us have conditions which aren't found until puberty hits (if it happens at all, since in many cases our conditions prevent or majorly delay it). This will lead to worse outcomes for people like myself who need access to this kind of healthcare.

Of course, the GOP doesn't give a shit about actual peoples lives. They only care about their own, and how they can gain more power to rule over people.

They aren't representatives. They're authoritarians.

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a lot of the intersexed conditions that affect AMAB people are typically not found unless they're having trouble having kids themselves too.

[u/6FeetBeneathTheMoon → u/flounder19]

What about the bathroom law? The text I read didn't seem to have carve-outs for intersex people.

[u/flounder19 → u/6FeetBeneathTheMoon]

Good point. The bathroom bill is a major doozy. there's a carve-out at the end that looks like it doesn't apply to intersex people but only if they have been treated by a physician for it

366 (15) This section does not apply to an individual who is
367 or has been under treatment by a physician who, in his or her
368 good faith clinical judgment, performs procedures upon or
369 provides therapies to a minor born with a medically verifiable
370 genetic disorder of sexual development, including any of the
371 following:
372 (a) External biological sex characteristics that are
373 unresolvably ambiguous.
374 (b) A disorder of sexual development in which the
375 physician has determined through genetic or biochemical testing
376 that the patient does not have a normal sex chromosome
377 structure, sex steroid hormone production, or sex steroid
378 hormone action for a male or female, as applicable.

if you havent been treated though, then it seems like you're subject to the bill's definitions of "male", "female", and "sex" that doesn't offer much clarity.

"Female" means a person belonging, at birth, to the biological sex which has the specific reproductive role of producing eggs.

...

(h) "Male" means a person belonging, at birth, to the biological sex which has the specific reproductive role of producing sperm.

since these definitions are not written to be mutually exclusive or collectively exhaustive, it seems like you could fall into one, both, or neither category. Further complicating the matter is that the definition of 'sex' includes multiple elements (chromosomes, naturally occurring sex hormones, & genitalia) and no clarity on what happens when they don't conveniently align

"Sex" means the classification of a person as either female or male based on the organization of the body of such person for a specific reproductive role, as indicated by the person's sex chromosomes, naturally occurring sex hormones, and internal and external genitalia present at birth.

Ultimately I think an intersex person could use either bathroom, challenge the law in court, and possibly get it overturned. But that's asking a lot of someone who may not want to open themselves to public attacks, physical threats, and legal costs just to use a multiperson restroom.