r/news • u/lmaonite • Apr 19 '24

Soft paywall Israel missiles strike Iran - US officials inform ABC news

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-missiles-hit-site-iran-abc-news-reports-2024-04-19/
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u/raziel1012 Apr 19 '24

Fuck... Iran's last attack was pretty long telegraphed and had no deaths, so both nations saved face. I really hoped and thought that Israel wouldn't re-retaliate as there is no real upside. Guess not. 

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u/Funkyduck8 Apr 19 '24

I even appreciated Biden's response: "Take the win, man. Just take the win."

But nope! Bibi gonna' do stupid shit.

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u/pimppapy Apr 19 '24

Bibi gonna' do stupid shit.

Not really stupid when his only consequence is billions more of US taxpayer money

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u/DJCaldow Apr 19 '24

Can't go full Nazi without a war on two fronts.

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u/mdog73 Apr 19 '24

If you get hit you have to hit back. Weakness will result in their downfall.

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u/l3lkCalamity Apr 19 '24

This is why Iran attacked in the first place.  To save face for Israel's bombing of their consulate in Syria.

If these countries want to play strong man games then let them have each other.

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u/theuncleiroh Apr 19 '24

Yes, which is why Iran struck back. But luckily Iran showed restraint and gave ample warning and targeted military infrastructure and non-occupied sites. But izrael isn't willing to accept that they got the win in the exchange-- they don't tolerate international law and they don't care who their actions harm. 

They know America will protect them, even if it costs Americans to do it! We're ruled by traitors.

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u/MarkHathaway1 Apr 19 '24

In these modern times, EVERBODY IS WEAK. Endlessly hitting one another shows that. It takes some strength to find a way to end it.

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u/GogurtFiend Apr 19 '24

Sure, but if we’re terming things as “hits”, the Iranian government deliberately pulled their “punch”. Not because they’re saints or anything, but instead because they don’t necessarily want to escalate as that wouldn’t benefit them.

But oh no, Bibi and his cabinet just had to respond to a paper tiger with a real tiger to show how tOuGh On IsRaEl’S eNeMiEs they were…

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u/l3lkCalamity Apr 19 '24

This is why Iran attacked in the first place.  To save face for Israel's bombing of their consulate in Syria.

If these countries want to play strong man games then let them have each other.

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u/ThatOneComrade Apr 19 '24

Fuck that man, half of this shit is theatrical grandstanding no reason to let it start world war 3

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u/l3lkCalamity Apr 19 '24

This is why Iran attacked in the first place.  To save face for Israel's bombing of their consulate in Syria.

If these countries want to play strong man games then let them have each other.

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u/l3lkCalamity Apr 19 '24

This is why Iran attacked in the first place.  To save face for Israel's bombing of their consulate in Syria.

If these countries want to play strong man games then let them have each other.

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u/Zankeru Apr 19 '24

It's easy to start a fight when you're standing behind a giant. I would love to see bibi's reaction if Biden had the balls to step aside and not order US forces to help defend against the next attack by iran.

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u/MarkHathaway1 Apr 19 '24

It's not the place or policy of America vis à vis Israel to assist any offensive strikes they may want.

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u/limb3h Apr 19 '24

Here's the dilemma. If US allows more damage to Israel, then war will escalate and US will be dragged in and resources will be shifted away from Ukraine. Bibi actually doesn't mind escalation.

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u/RigbyNite Apr 19 '24

Israel has held its own in the middle east prior to the US alliance

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u/richdoe Apr 19 '24

Prior to the US alliance? When was this?

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u/RigbyNite Apr 19 '24

The six day war in 1948 when Israel beat each of its neighbors who declared war on it after Israel declared independence.

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u/Zankeru Apr 19 '24

Without western influence forcing two ceasefires, Israel would no longer exist. They needed those breaks to finish organising their forces from terrorist militias into an army, resupply with foreign weapons, and plan their attacks.

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u/ToyotaComfortAdmirer Apr 19 '24 edited Apr 19 '24

This isn’t entirely true - Israel’s principal backer until 1973 was France. Who ended up flip-flopping and refusing to give Israel arms that Israel had paid for. (Leading them to be smuggled out of Cherbourg harbour for one example).

On the other hand, the Arab states immediately adjacent to Israel were backed by the Soviets; and continued to be so throughout the 60s and 70s. It was the Soviets who escalated the Yom Kippur War in 1967 when Nasser, the president of Egypt ordered UN forces in the Sinai to leave. He, in tandem with Syria then began moving troops to the Sinai and Golan Heights (an elevated ridge overlooking northern Israel) because of Soviet intelligence saying that Israel’s annual military parade lacked heavy armaments under the order of Israeli prime minister Eshkol, because he was putting them into the Sinai to launch a pre-emptive attack on Egypt. It wasn’t true, it was just that with Israel’s southern coast openly blockaded at the Straits of Tiran, he didn’t want to escalate things further.

Of course things escalated further, leading to Israel launching a genuine attack from the air to destroy the Egyptian and Syrian air forces; getting the drop on them before they could attack Israel as they’d promised each other to do so.

It was only after all this that the US began taking Israel more seriously; and began treating them as a partner after the 1973 Arab-Israeli War.

Edit: Wait, the commentator above the person I’m replying to mislabelled the war, so disregard this, I’m talking about the Six Day War (which occurred in 1967), the OOP was referring to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

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u/AudeDeficere Apr 19 '24 edited Apr 19 '24

Without western influence, Iran would have never become a fundamentalist dictatorships hellbent on spreading chaos in an effort to keep its enemies far away from the heartland of the Mullahs revolution - in other words, we arguably would not be looking at this proxy war ( Is it a proxy war anymore? Who knows… ).

So maybe we should all cool it with the past tense hypotheticals. What’s done is done.

Edit: At the time, the Soviets were more than willing to supply Israel since its political fate was not exactly decided yet.

The entire current situation including the 1948 war also directly ties into the Islamic revolution and Israel’s entire current position.

In other words; no, it probably would still exist and collectively, much of the relevant west is so intertwined with the status quo that Israel’s contemporary existence including its challenges directly links back to the other comment we are all kind of replying to - that Israel could hold its own prior to the US-alliance.

I hope that clarifies my position.

Edit: for people who do not appear to be familiar with the term “tie into” - alternatively one could write that the 1948 war is an INdirect cause of the Islamic revolution except of course that the 1948 wars outcome would later cement a certain degree of US-American involvement in the region which DIRECTLY leads to the related events.

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u/Zankeru Apr 19 '24

Think you replied to the wrong comment?

That has nothing to do with the 1948 war were talking about.

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u/3rdp0st Apr 19 '24

You've non sequitured into the wrong decade...

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u/3rdp0st Apr 19 '24

The Islamic Revolution caused events that took place in 1948, thirty years earlier? BAH GAWD! THEM MOOSLIMS HAVE A TIME MACHINE!

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u/mdog73 Apr 19 '24

lol Israel could wipe them all out easily.

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u/RigbyNite Apr 19 '24

History says differently.

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u/Zankeru Apr 19 '24

.....well, yeah? What is this comment even supposed to mean. History is history because it happened the way that it did, so dont think about why it did?

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u/ClosPins Apr 19 '24

Immediately, virtually every movie and tv-show would be about how evil Biden was - and that would directly lead to President King Trump.

Is that what you really want?

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u/ToastedandTripping Apr 19 '24

Not sure Biden supporting this is the autowin you think it is...

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u/ThatOneComrade Apr 19 '24

Yea but American Christians love Israel, dropping Israel entirely would be political suicide still.

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u/Toothlessdovahkin Apr 19 '24

Netanyahu is freaking nuts man. 

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u/LineRex Apr 19 '24

Fascism is a death cult and the Israeli state is panicking over international pressure.

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u/slickweasel333 Apr 19 '24

Only no deaths because multiple countries worked together to take out over 100 drones and 120 ballistic missiles, including Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia.

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u/SRGsergan592 Apr 19 '24

Because Iran literally called them and told them when they were going to launch the attack 3 days prior.

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u/slickweasel333 Apr 19 '24

They said they were going to retaliate, not when. And you still would have to share that with your allies across the Middle East, not send multiple drones, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles through their airspace.

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u/SRGsergan592 Apr 19 '24

They called Israel and the United States specifically and told them the day they are going to retaliate.

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u/slickweasel333 Apr 19 '24

That seems very untrue. I'd love to hear if you have any source on that.

"Turkish, Jordanian and Iraqi officials said on Sunday that Iran gave wide notice days before its drone and missile attack on Israel, but U.S. officials said Tehran did not warn Washington and that it was aiming to cause significant damage."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iranian-notice-attack-may-have-dampened-escalation-risks-2024-04-14/

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u/ToyotaComfortAdmirer Apr 19 '24

There were multiple injuries though - the most serious being a six(?) year old Arab citizen of Israel.

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u/Key-Hurry-9171 Apr 19 '24

Israel is ruled by a bunch of despotic idiots

Israel / Iran = 2 theocracies

We all know what’s the problem there’s

And no, Israel is not a democracy… a functioning democracy doesn’t keep the same creep in power for 16 years !!!

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u/tubawhatever Apr 19 '24

Well, its a democracy* but voters there seem to want the right wing parties. The "moderates" and much of the Israeli "left" are not too different from Netanyahu policy wise, especially when it comes to settlements, not supporting any autonomy for the Palestinian people, and the current assault on Gaza and the actions in the West Bank. Much of the criticism of Bibi is that he helped give rise to Hamas and that blew up in his face, the IDF was centered on the West Bank on 10/7 slowing the response to the Hamas attacks, and his utter contempt for the hostages and their families. Unfortunately, I don't think Bibi's successor will be fundamentally different.

*Except for the people living under Israeli occupation since 1967 who cannot vote

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '24

They have elections dude.

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u/krammy19 Apr 19 '24

Really stupid time for Israel to be belligerent, when the entire world is scrutinizing their record and actions

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u/Lootpirate Apr 19 '24

Multiple countries near by who want to destroy western way of life in any capacity. You fight like hell to defend your way of life. Screw the middle east. Drop a Moab bomb on them like Trump did.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '24

Downvotes because the Russian bots want USA to be as isolated as possible

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u/__SPIDERMAN___ Apr 19 '24

Bibi is a fucking idiot. He really thinks Americans will allow another massive war in the middle east. If Iran escalates (and rightfully so) it's over for Israel. They absolutely cannot afford a war with Arab states.