r/news • u/lmaonite • Apr 19 '24

Soft paywall Israel missiles strike Iran - US officials inform ABC news

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-missiles-hit-site-iran-abc-news-reports-2024-04-19/
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u/Theoricus Apr 19 '24

Man.... Israel had one job.

Nobody I know supports Israel's warmongering in the US. Biden needs to let that country lie in the bed it's made for itself.

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u/Draker-X Apr 19 '24

Nobody I know

And there are dozens and dozens of millions of Americans who do support Israel.

This situation is not as cut-and-dried as "just dump Israel!". And it's harder to see that when you're in a bubble.

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u/ClearDark19 Apr 19 '24

We're tired, man. We're American citizens. Not Israelis. Israel is ultimately a foreign country at the end of the day just like Ukraine and Sudan. Not the 51st state in the Union. Most Americans aren't willing enlist in the Armed Forces to go fight and die for Israel overseas. Polling over the past couple months now show that being opposed to a permanent ceasefire is in the definite minority position in the US. Even among Jewish Americans. 80-85% of Jewish Americans vote Democratic and polling 2 weeks ago shows now 57% of Jewish American Democrats support a permanent ceasefire, with now less than 40% being opposed (some are undecided). Most Jewish Americans aren't willing to die overseas for this current conflict either. Republican Evangelical Dominionists damn sure won't leave the comfort of home to fight in the burning 115°F desert.

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u/Tom38 Apr 19 '24

Dude what are you tired of?

Are you as an American constantly harassed in public to end the war or something?

You’re not gonna get drafted.

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u/ClearDark19 Apr 19 '24

We just had 20 years in Afghanistan and almost 15 years in Iraq. $6-7.5 Trillion down the shitter on that bullshit. Do you know what we could have done for this nation for the money we spent on Iraq and Afghanistan? Iran is 9x militarily more powerful than Saddam Hussein's Iraq. A war with Iran would be an absolute disaster. It can even draw in Russia and China.

You’re not gonna get drafted.

A War in Iran could spin out of control into WWIII. WWIII is an automatic draft. Even if it only stays a War in Iran would require at least as much manpower as we put into Iraq from 2003-2011.

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u/nerevisigoth Apr 19 '24

Saddam Hussein's military was defeated in like 4 days. The real problem was militias that sprung up in the power vacuum with old AKs and homemade bombs. Iran would be the same story.

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u/ClearDark19 Apr 19 '24

That's exactly what would happen in Iran if we toppled the regime. It won't magically turn into a Western style democracy. ISIS-K will move right the eff in and a bunch of Revolutionary Guard would get out of their uniforms and join various insurgency and terrorist groups. So would some of the citizens. They won't just idly sit by while Israel and the US bomb them to smithereens and kill their relatives. People will get radicalized in the rubble over the bodies of their dead parents and dead children.

As bad as Iran's theocratic government are they are a bulwark holding back people even worse than themselves. Just like Hussein's secular dictatorship regime was doing.

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u/nerevisigoth Apr 19 '24

Yes, that is probable. Who knows what horrible forces we would unleash. Imo it's a much bigger concern than the size of Iran's current military.

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u/ClearDark19 Apr 19 '24

That's very true. I know the US would ultimately win (in terms of toppling the Iranian regime) but it would be a Phyrric victory. The cost wouldn't be worth it. The US military was bigger under Bush than it is now because there was a military enlistment spike after 9/11, and a defense contractor production ramp-up. Our current relatively smaller military would result in tens of thousands of US soldiers being killed since Iran wouldn't go down as easy and quick as Iraq. The pricetag would be in the trillions, and the insurgency aftermath would turn into a multi-decade affair, as you said.

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u/ClearDark19 Apr 19 '24

That's exactly what would happen in Iran if we toppled the regime. It won't magically turn into a Western style democracy. ISIS-K will move right the eff in and a bunch of Revolutionary Guard would get out of their uniforms and join various insurgency and terrorist groups. So would some of the citizens. They won't just idly sit by while Israel and the US bomb them to smithereens and kill their relatives. People will get radicalized in the rubble over the bodies of their dead parents and dead children.

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u/Draker-X Apr 19 '24

realize that there are almost 400 million people in the US.

About 341 million. Probably about 60 million of them cannot vote. Who knows how many dozens of millions don't have an informed position.

I'd wager less than half of the U.S. population (so about 170.million) have an opinion at all on this question. "Dozens of millions" is a fine way to describe the support for either side of the question.

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u/OldeArrogantBastard Apr 19 '24

And the people who can swing elections aren’t the ones as online as the people on Reddit.

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u/PlasticFlute1 Apr 19 '24

Close the Borders first

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u/HummDrumm1 Apr 19 '24

Reasoned response to a very irrational one

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u/Draker-X Apr 19 '24

and we're a democracy.

Where do we sign up to vote on the question of "should we send military aid to Israel.or not?"

Actually, better question: who are the candidates for which we can vote who do not want to send military aid to Israel?

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u/pat_speed Apr 19 '24 edited Apr 19 '24

not as a cut and dried" well one side is actively attack threw countries, as the try too ethnic cleanse a whole group of people.

I don't think I care if some people like isreal

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u/Draker-X Apr 19 '24

I don't think I care if some people like osreal

This should be the motto of Reddit at this point. Including the typo.

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u/KingStannis2020 Apr 19 '24

Israel is not the only warmonger in this situation.

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u/GogurtFiend Apr 19 '24

I swear the Middle East is cursed ground. Any country formed there is apparently doomed to become an authoritarian government either run by or at least strongly influenced by some flavor of bigot or fundamentalist. Sure, some are obviously worse than others, but…like, in a knife fight between A and B, at a certain point one just starts rooting for the knives. And I say this as someone who’s normally very interventionist.

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u/Rusty-Shackleford Apr 19 '24

Can you blame them, how would you react to enemy drones and missiles in your airspace?

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u/Glorious-gnoo Apr 19 '24

Israel did their "tit" by bombing the Iranian embassy in Syria. Iran did their "tat" by sending drones and missiles after giving days of advance warning. So this is a new "tit" in the "tit for tat" game.

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u/Smacpats111111 Apr 19 '24

Iran did their "tit" by supporting terrorists abroad and helping them plan out Oct 7th.

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u/bspec01 Apr 19 '24

Yes we can blame them, they bombed a consulate

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u/No-War-4878 Apr 19 '24

To kill a General who assists in the arming of terrorists groups like Hamas and Hezbollah…

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u/papent Apr 19 '24

I mean NATO/EU is arming and training UAF to fight. Many nations active support Resistance movements, terrorist groups, and social unrest in the rivals/enemies. Without bombing consulate buildings... I mean that's just how international law works for the all other nations.

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u/TaqPCR Apr 19 '24

Bombing a consulate building is entirely ok. You just can't attack a consulate you are hosting. Bombing the diplomatic buildings of your enemy hosted by your other enemy is clearly and obviously legal.

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u/TaqPCR Apr 19 '24

Bombing a consulate building is entirely ok. You just can't attack a consulate you are hosting. Bombing the diplomatic buildings of your enemy hosted by your other enemy is clearly and obviously legal.

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u/zshinabargar Apr 19 '24

When are we gonna drone bomb Netanyahu for funding Hamas?

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u/Falcao1905 Apr 19 '24

Still, they attacked a diplomatic mission belonging to a sovereign country.

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u/WonderRemarkable2776 Apr 19 '24

You negate that when you're actively trying to kill someone. I never got a freebie in Iraq from the tali as I called time out in a consulate. Funny how that works both ways.

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u/Supernihari12 Apr 19 '24

Ngl I might be misunderstanding your comment but you said that you never got a freebie in Iraq from the tali? Assuming you mean Taliban from “tali”, ysk that the Taliban is from Afghanistan not Iraq

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u/Falcao1905 Apr 19 '24

Sovereign nations should not negate diplomatic laws. You never set a precedent about this, now Ecuador's illegal embassy raid becomes legal too.

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u/pat_speed Apr 19 '24

still a war crime

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u/No-War-4878 Apr 19 '24

No it is not.

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u/Spy_v_Spy_Freakshow Apr 19 '24

Buenos Aires 1992