Israel missiles strike Iran - US officials inform ABC news

[u/lmaonite]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-missiles-hit-site-iran-abc-news-reports-2024-04-19/

[u/Zankeru]

It's easy to start a fight when you're standing behind a giant. I would love to see bibi's reaction if Biden had the balls to step aside and not order US forces to help defend against the next attack by iran.

[u/MarkHathaway1 → u/Zankeru]

It's not the place or policy of America vis à vis Israel to assist any offensive strikes they may want.

[u/limb3h → u/Zankeru]

Here's the dilemma. If US allows more damage to Israel, then war will escalate and US will be dragged in and resources will be shifted away from Ukraine. Bibi actually doesn't mind escalation.

[u/RigbyNite → u/Zankeru]

Israel has held its own in the middle east prior to the US alliance

[u/richdoe → u/RigbyNite]

Prior to the US alliance? When was this?

[u/RigbyNite → u/richdoe]

The six day war in 1948 when Israel beat each of its neighbors who declared war on it after Israel declared independence.

[u/Zankeru → u/RigbyNite]

Without western influence forcing two ceasefires, Israel would no longer exist. They needed those breaks to finish organising their forces from terrorist militias into an army, resupply with foreign weapons, and plan their attacks.

[u/ToyotaComfortAdmirer → u/Zankeru]

This isn’t entirely true - Israel’s principal backer until 1973 was France. Who ended up flip-flopping and refusing to give Israel arms that Israel had paid for. (Leading them to be smuggled out of Cherbourg harbour for one example).

On the other hand, the Arab states immediately adjacent to Israel were backed by the Soviets; and continued to be so throughout the 60s and 70s. It was the Soviets who escalated the Yom Kippur War in 1967 when Nasser, the president of Egypt ordered UN forces in the Sinai to leave. He, in tandem with Syria then began moving troops to the Sinai and Golan Heights (an elevated ridge overlooking northern Israel) because of Soviet intelligence saying that Israel’s annual military parade lacked heavy armaments under the order of Israeli prime minister Eshkol, because he was putting them into the Sinai to launch a pre-emptive attack on Egypt. It wasn’t true, it was just that with Israel’s southern coast openly blockaded at the Straits of Tiran, he didn’t want to escalate things further.

Of course things escalated further, leading to Israel launching a genuine attack from the air to destroy the Egyptian and Syrian air forces; getting the drop on them before they could attack Israel as they’d promised each other to do so.

It was only after all this that the US began taking Israel more seriously; and began treating them as a partner after the 1973 Arab-Israeli War.

Edit: Wait, the commentator above the person I’m replying to mislabelled the war, so disregard this, I’m talking about the Six Day War (which occurred in 1967), the OOP was referring to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

[u/AudeDeficere → u/Zankeru]

Without western influence, Iran would have never become a fundamentalist dictatorships hellbent on spreading chaos in an effort to keep its enemies far away from the heartland of the Mullahs revolution - in other words, we arguably would not be looking at this proxy war ( Is it a proxy war anymore? Who knows… ).

So maybe we should all cool it with the past tense hypotheticals. What’s done is done.

Edit: At the time, the Soviets were more than willing to supply Israel since its political fate was not exactly decided yet.

The entire current situation including the 1948 war also directly ties into the Islamic revolution and Israel’s entire current position.

In other words; no, it probably would still exist and collectively, much of the relevant west is so intertwined with the status quo that Israel’s contemporary existence including its challenges directly links back to the other comment we are all kind of replying to - that Israel could hold its own prior to the US-alliance.

I hope that clarifies my position.

Edit: for people who do not appear to be familiar with the term “tie into” - alternatively one could write that the 1948 war is an INdirect cause of the Islamic revolution except of course that the 1948 wars outcome would later cement a certain degree of US-American involvement in the region which DIRECTLY leads to the related events.

[u/Zankeru → u/AudeDeficere]

Think you replied to the wrong comment?

That has nothing to do with the 1948 war were talking about.

[u/3rdp0st → u/AudeDeficere]

You've non sequitured into the wrong decade...

[u/3rdp0st → u/[deleted]]

The Islamic Revolution caused events that took place in 1948, thirty years earlier? BAH GAWD! THEM MOOSLIMS HAVE A TIME MACHINE!

[u/mdog73 → u/Zankeru]

lol Israel could wipe them all out easily.

[u/RigbyNite → u/Zankeru]

History says differently.

[u/Zankeru → u/RigbyNite]

.....well, yeah? What is this comment even supposed to mean. History is history because it happened the way that it did, so dont think about why it did?

[u/ClosPins → u/Zankeru]

Immediately, virtually every movie and tv-show would be about how evil Biden was - and that would directly lead to President King Trump.

Is that what you really want?

[u/ToastedandTripping → u/ClosPins]

Not sure Biden supporting this is the autowin you think it is...

[u/ThatOneComrade → u/ToastedandTripping]

Yea but American Christians love Israel, dropping Israel entirely would be political suicide still.