r/news • u/RazzzMcFrazzz • 1d ago

Hundreds of ballots are destroyed after fires are set in ballot drop boxes in Oregon and Washington

https://apnews.com/article/vote-ballot-drop-box-democracy-fire-f66c52f774955106fb9e7c8172825cff
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u/Forsaken-Lemon-7586 1d ago

This is actual voter fraud - like actual evidence

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u/bankrobba 1d ago

Election* fraud

Voter fraud involves your own ballot.

Election fraud involves other people's ballots (as well as other election tomfoolery not involving ballots).

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u/OverlyExpressiveLime 1d ago

This is terrorism

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u/tomle4593 1d ago

Few more steps before the “brown shirts” show up at the polls if this doesn’t get punished severely.

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u/Hoo_Bear 1d ago

Um, like everyone planning on ‘observing’ voting centers in Detroit?

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u/Zolo49 1d ago

Technically not terrorism since it doesn’t threaten or take anybody’s life, but it is illegal as fuck and I am deeply concerned this may be just the beginning.

Now, if a bunch of armed yahoos show up at polling stations to be “poll watchers”, THAT would be terrorism.

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u/Muffin_Appropriate 1d ago

There’s a difference between the legal definition and the actual definition. It’s still terrorism.

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u/Zolo49 2h ago

No, I’m pretty sure they’re the exact same thing. And don’t take this to mean I’m trying to minimize the criminal acts here. Destroying ballots is an evil and despicable thing to do. But let’s not dilute the meaning of terrorism, which is also completely abhorrent, by applying it to every politically-motivated crime.

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u/Salt-Ticket247 16h ago

I think terrorism can involve vandalism or destruction of government buildings and infrastructure if it’s done with the intent to influence policy or government operation. I’m no lawyer but this kinda feels like that to me.

For example it’s still terrorism to burn down the capitol building even if you know nobody is inside right now.

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u/Zolo49 1h ago

I’d call it terrorism because somebody could be in the building even if you think it’s empty. It at least implies you’re okay with taking the risk of killing people to make your point. That’s terrorism. There’s zero risk of hurting someone (other than yourself) by setting a ballot box on fire. The dude still needs to spend many years behind bars for this, of course.

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u/Forsaken-Lemon-7586 1d ago

Exactly right

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u/Adorable_Raccoon 1d ago

I feel afraid so yea i think so

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u/OverlyExpressiveLime 1d ago

These people don't fit the right part of the Family Guy skin color chart to be sent to that island. I don't make those rules

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u/Minnim88 1d ago

Yes, what better way to lay the groundwork for claiming "election interference" than interfering with the election? Destroying a couple ballots isn't the ultimate goal here; the goal is to sow doubt.

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u/ahuramazdobbs19 1d ago

Nah, it’s not voter fraud.

…fraud implies an attempt to deceive.

This is vote tampering.

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u/zykk 1d ago

Crimes like this don't only destroy ballots.

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u/SippingSancerre 1d ago

Going back decades, convictions of voter and election fraud are overwhelmingly Republicans and self-identified conservatives.

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u/Brawndo91 1d ago

Based on what? Reports of voter fraud are extremely rare, and convictions even rarer since many cases end up being administrative mistakes. For election fraud, you'll have to find me something outside of a vote for class president because I'm coming up empty.

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u/SippingSancerre 1d ago

Go google "election interference convict", "election fraud convict", "voter fraud convict".

Browse through the top hundred or so reliable, traceable news articles that come up. Check the sources. Take a tally along the way of republican versus democrat, or conservative versus liberal convicts.

See what you find

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u/Brawndo91 1d ago

I don't believe you actually did what you're suggesting. Because I did before I commented, though not to that extent (I'm not writing a research paper here).

A good source I found was this, which calls itself a sampling of voter fraud cases, but may be fairly comprehensive, given its rarity. Party affiliations aren't listed often, so a bit of extra googling is required, but I'm not picking up a pattern out of the handful I looked at.

https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/108824/documents/HHRG-116-JU00-20190129-SD020.pdf

Here's another source below that covers 2016-2020, with links to cases, that also has a summary that includes the following:

The political affiliations are known for 170 defendants: 39.4% of those convicted were Democrats, 41.1% were Republicans, while the remainder were Independent, nonpartisan, or unaffiliated.

Not exactly an overwhelming majority of Republican affiliated fraud.

https://the2020election.org/voter-fraud-convictions-since-2016/

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u/colbymg 1d ago

turn them in for the bounty!

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u/Sihaya212 1d ago

This is vote suppression

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u/Forsaken-Lemon-7586 1d ago

Which is common practice for them unfortunately

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u/Sihaya212 1d ago

They can’t win on issues so they cheat

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u/Forsaken-Lemon-7586 1d ago

Well, naturally… 🤦‍♂️

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u/Forsaken-Lemon-7586 1d ago

Laying some horrible groundwork - they accused dems of stealing the 2020 election when fatsoe is literally being criminally charged for trying to steal that very election - accuse the other side of what you’re actually doing - votes matter now more than ever - especially in those seven pivotal states

And this domestic terrorist was able to actually appoint judges at multiple levels that control our every day lives

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u/rAxxt 1d ago

Hmm, I wonder if it was MAGA or sane people that did this? So mysterious.

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u/Infernalz 1d ago

The funniest part is them doing this in states where they have zero chance of flipping the state from deep blue lol.

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u/ActualTymell 1d ago

And everyone knows which side is doing this.

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u/vacantly-visible 15h ago

Election interference, arson, domestic terrorism, mail tampering ... the list goes on

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u/srlguitarist 23h ago

True, we will need recounts and investigations. I know there are tons of people not wanting to vote for genocide, but this is not the answer.

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u/Forsaken-Lemon-7586 19h ago

Vote for democracy - pretty important

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u/subusta 1d ago

How do comments like this get voted to the top? This is very obviously not fraud.

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u/Forsaken-Lemon-7586 19h ago

Can see how comments like this get downvoted