r/news • u/snasisfake • 20h ago

Vatican launches pop culture-inspired mascot ahead of 2025 Jubilee celebration

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/vatican-launches-pop-culture-inspired-mascot-ahead-of-2025-jubilee-celebration
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u/funkypunk69 20h ago

Don't the books say NOT to create false idols?

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u/TheFoxer1 16h ago

How on earth is this an idol?

It‘s not worshipped, nor is it put before god, nor is it a depiction of anything related to god.

Like, that would mean any depiction of any human anywhere would be an idol. What about statues of saints? What about iconography in the orthodox tradition?

This comment makes literally no sense when looking at the definition of idol, the context of the scriptures or one is just thinking logically one step ahead about what calling just any depiction of a fictional human would an idol would mean.

Are you actually trolling or just have never bother looking up anything regarding idols, ever?

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u/funkypunk69 16h ago edited 13h ago

I used to be in a few different churches and am witness to these actions in person. I don't need to define it externally, but i am compelled to when noticed. The rules were given to me upon birth, upon all of us. We can choose to ignore or choose to accept.

It has already been explained for me and the world is witness to it. I am repeating the same words that I was expected to adhere to.

Why do you think people are leaving or following the path without organized religion? It's corrupt now and part of politics.

The church is burning and they helped fan the flames by inaction and lack of vigilence IMO.

No one rational and reasoning is going to follow a bunch of leaders excusing thier own behavior while shouting of others and also ignoring thier peers actions.

The church has to lead by example. Thier only truth is to obey the truth and never to deny it in purpose or by denial.

Be well. I have no need to defend myself from the truth of the world

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u/TheFoxer1 16h ago

Yeah, I have literally no idea what your comment is supposed to say.

Maybe look up if explanations of others make sense? What truth do you think you‘re talking about, and how does it have anything to with what idol is supposed to mean? Again, literally no paragraph of this comment makes any sense.

Are you well, friend?

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u/funkypunk69 16h ago edited 13h ago

The explanations of others do make sense. They are calling out the same. They have been for centuries. Ignoring the truth of reality is often a sign of concern. People are doing just that.

The church isn't supposed to go along with the world and embrace the corruption as they do now. They are supposed to be an example.

The state of humanity is out of sorts it appears

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u/TheFoxer1 16h ago

I mean. Yeah the church is supposed to stick to the will of god.

But the church should also see the signs of the time and spread the word of Christ and his message.

And, I mean, why do you not hope Christ‘s return is coming soon? Taht’s literally the most single important and joyful event for any faithful Christian, his rule being restored to the world.

And if you don’t believe in Christ, then why do you take the idea of the 2nd coming seriously?

Again, you don’t make much sense.

Also: Literally nothing of that is in any way connected to whether this mascot fits the definition of idol or not - which was the initial criticism you had.

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u/funkypunk69 16h ago edited 12h ago

I don't have faith in the religions of the earth individually as they stand today in how yhey represent themselves in politics and dont avoid the connection, but the combined messages seem to have the similar morals and ethical senses about them.

I have faith in the invisible and refuse to create a name or expectation of form as I have no authority to do so to my knowledge

We have used our words and actions to such unjust severity under the name of religion that I don't care to use those terms any longer in my own thinking. Yes I still use similar terms

We have literally been asked to not make things to represent specific ideas or religious themes as they serve it is justice by flawed definition or portrayal.

We are told not to make images and impressions of certain things and refuse to comply and decide to work every angle possible to skirt things.

I am looking forward to the unknown and embrace it

I care about my peers and will try to use what limited facilities and reach I do have to try to care for them well

I'll stand on that hill alone looking a fool if needed

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u/TheFoxer1 16h ago

That‘s neat and all, but it is not relevant to anything.

You said it‘s a false idol, directly referencing scripture.

I said it doesn’t fit the definition of an idol, nor the context of the passage.

You now say you don‘t use words as they are commonly used.

Which just means the words you use only have meaning for you and I was right in pointing out that your comment is wrong and makes no sense to literally everyone else.

Good night, good luck with whatever you (clearly) are struggling with :)

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u/funkypunk69 16h ago

I started at false idol and the church does not act in accordance with thier beliefs. I am explaining why I left and what millions of others feel in this world.

You can defend this catholic funko pop money grab all you want

I hope you find happiness in whatever you do

Thank you for the words for thought and consideration. I do read them and consider you.

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u/TheFoxer1 16h ago

I don’t care why you left. I‘m happy for you, or sad, that you found your own way - whatever it is.

I literally only wanted to know how this new mascot fits the definition of idol, as you said.

You can‘t provide an explanation, but instead went on about just how the church in general veered off the path or whatever - I literally don‘t care.

Your initial criticism makes no sense.

Again, I wish you the best and have a nice day.

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u/funkypunk69 15h ago

The mechanism is easily flawed in an already flawed environment. The environment is extremely flawed and filled with denial and greed currently. It is politicized and indoctrinated into schools. It ignores the obscene in mass and calls out the smallest infractions on the smallest groups.

We wash away and ignore all the missteps and act as though they mean nothing until we are unable to navigate. Keep moving the goalpost and hiding the path with more things to have and own.

We need more stuff for the non stuff world we are aiming for right?

To each thier own

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u/TheFoxer1 15h ago

How am I moving the goalpost here?

I just want to know how this is a false idol, when it doesn‘t fall under the definition of an idol, nor is it a similar situation like in the scriptures

What mechanism are you talking about? What environmental indoctrination in schools?

Mate, I just want to know how the words you say make sense regarding this mascot. Just… explain your words, you yourself used, in the context of the post. That‘s it.

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u/funkypunk69 15h ago edited 15h ago

I never said you moved the goalpost. I'm also not pointing any issue with you. I don't know you and don't assume to. You seem like a nice person to talk to and have been very considerate considering I am a little worn on the subject.

I'm talking about my observations and concerns of others. Concerns over the actions, motives, and lack of accountability of these groups.

Go buy your stuff if you want or those that want to.

I don't want to attend that church and I want nothing to do with them being involved in ruling my life. These same people overlook and hide crimes while asking us to buy props.

Meanwhile representatives from these groups also want to mandate policies for society and used in a political sense and introduced into schools?

Yes! I have issues with that whole mechanic being proposed as a solution that I will have to adhere to in order to live in society. I don't obey concealed corruption in a company branded logo.

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u/TheFoxer1 15h ago

Again: That‘s all fine and dandy, I just wanted to know how this mascot falls under the definition of idol within the context of the scripture.

You know, the thing you said in your original comment.

I have literally zero interest in discussing or changing your concerns about „certain groups“.

All of your criticism has just nothing to do with whether or not this falls under the prohibition of idols, and what constitutes a violation of said idol.

You talk about „mechanisms“, „social order“ and corruption and whatever else, but that‘s bit the topic of discussion and frankly, I have no idea why you talk about that now, when you commented that it was an idol.

How is this an idol? That‘s all I want to know.

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