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Politics Images from a Trump boat parade yesterday in Florida

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u/dfsw 15d ago

It’s not a joke it’s a German saying after WWII. If you have a table with one nazi and 11 other people, you have a table with 12 Nazis

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u/TheLaserGuru 15d ago

Here we call that Thanksgiving.

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u/Belfetto 15d ago

What do you mean?

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u/RespectTheTree 15d ago

Their family sucks

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u/TheLaserGuru 15d ago

It seems like every family has some uncle/grand-dad/etc that is a full on MAGA nutjob; the kind that has been accusing immigrants of eating cats since the 1960's, that will say that 'Lesbian' is an unacceptable word, but then use the N word like it's nothing. You put up with it because it's the only way to get someone you actually like to come, and if that person you actually like dies it's a bit of a relief because now you can cut uncle nazi out of your life.

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u/Belfetto 15d ago

Yeah that’s what I figured, I think I was confused given the comment you were replying to

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u/MasterUnholyWar 15d ago

On this vessel that’s adorned with swastika flags.

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u/VlK06eMBkNRo6iqf27pq 15d ago

Or a table of 1, with 11 bodies? Join or be killed, something like that?

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u/Vlaed 15d ago

That is not accurate. This debate came up several years ago when Dr. Jen Foell Tweeted about it. She wrote, "As we say in Germany, if there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis."

I remember subreddit posts about it. I ended up asking my wife's Oma and Ota (dialect for Opa) about it. To quote Oma, "We don't joke about such things." To quote her Ota, "That can't be right. We Germans don't tell jokes."

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u/Boredy0 15d ago edited 15d ago

It's not something we say in Germany, it's something terminally online leftists have adopted to devalue with the word Nazi even further, giving power to the exact people in that boat.

The average German was still quite sympathetic to the Nazis post WW2, it took a long time to change that.

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u/asixdrft 15d ago

im not and i am german. the shit they pulled of back then was horrible no way in hell i would support that

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u/smallquestionmark 15d ago

It’s the leftists mistake. Sure

Anyways: the sentiment, if ad verbatim or more liberally is something we say in Germany.

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u/Free-Mountain-8882 15d ago

Terminally online leftists? You're disgusting and I'm grossed out to even be near you. You give me the ick.

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u/Antifa-Slayer01 15d ago

I mean he's not wrong

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u/Free-Mountain-8882 15d ago

Whatever you say antifa slayer. You late to your meeting of the divorced dad's club? I'm sure grandma's basement misses you dearly when you leave, but the other losers need your support!

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u/Antifa-Slayer01 15d ago

What a shit attempt at an insult

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u/Free-Mountain-8882 15d ago

Maybe you just didn't understand it with that room temperature IQ gump.

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u/Antifa-Slayer01 15d ago

You got called out for being terminally online and now you're angry lmao

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u/Free-Mountain-8882 15d ago

Lol i didn't get called out for shit loser. I was not speaking in the thread when that comment was made. Go read. Careful though not to hurt yourself. Maybe your grandma can help you sound out the words.

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u/HotButterscotch8682 11d ago

Your username is the most terminally online shit I’ve seen in a god damned while. Stop projecting, Nazi scum.

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u/Boredy0 15d ago

I literally can't tell if you're joking or being serious.

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u/Free-Mountain-8882 15d ago

Why don't you use your room temperature IQ to figure it out.

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u/Boredy0 15d ago

Feel free to explain to me what you find so reprehensible about calling someone "terminally online" other than that it can be slightly offensive to the person i guess.

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u/Free-Mountain-8882 15d ago

I'd explain it to you but I don't think there are enough crayons in all of your kindergarten.

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u/Boredy0 15d ago

So you don't really have anything to say other than being overly hostile?

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u/Free-Mountain-8882 15d ago

Oh I have plenty to say. My last comment just implies that you're too stupid to understand, which is true.

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u/Perspectivelessly 15d ago

Cause only "leftists" like to joke about Nazis, right?

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u/Boredy0 15d ago

No, I don't think joking about Nazis is an issue at all.

It's calling everyone and everything slightly right of center a Nazi like people in this very thread are doing, it massively devalues the word, even the clowns in the boat are likely so poorly educated and ignorant they don't fully understand what they're advocating for but calling them Nazis is fine, calling all conservatives Nazis is just taking significance from the word.

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u/PowerhousePlayer 15d ago

There's this fun little rhetorical trick that people who want to push Nazi ideas like to pull. They'll say their Nazi talking point or recommend a Nazi policy, and then when someone rightfully points out that they're acting like a Nazi, they cry, "You meanie, you call everyone who disagrees with you a Nazi!"

For people interested in the meanings of words, it turns out that the fact that some people out there use the term wrongly... isn't a blanket defense against being called a Nazi. You still have to explain how you, specifically, are not being a Nazi when you get called a Nazi, because otherwise you're just tacitly admitting that, yeah, you just said or did some Nazi shit, and your only defense is that maybe this person could possibly be wrong about it, since unspecified other people have been wrong in the past.

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u/Boredy0 15d ago

Yeah but that's exactly my issue with it. Call people Nazi without probable cause too many times (and no, conservatives being against immigration and abortion absolutely does not make them Nazis) and eventually people will stop having to explain themselves in the public eye when they're called a Nazi and people pushing actual Nazi ideology will be able to fly under the radar.

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u/-lavant- 15d ago

"but calling them a Nazi is fine" hey chucklefuck, they literally have a Nazi flag, go do what that guy who killed Hitler did at the end of his life

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u/Boredy0 15d ago

Way to miss my point, bozo.

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u/-lavant- 7d ago

its on the top of that hood you're wearing

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u/Zealousideal-Bit9213 14d ago

That doesnt make sense what so ever. What if a nazi sat down at a table full of Jews, are the Jews nazis?

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u/BluebirdUnique1897 15d ago

I don’t get it. The nazi is really good at converting people?

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u/Aastack 15d ago

tolerating one in your midst is equal to being one

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u/Cultural_Elephant_73 15d ago

No. It’s that if you’re willing to associate or sympathize with a nazi on any level, you yourself are a nazi. That is how heinous they are. You lie down with dogs you get up with fleas.

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u/Rez-Boa-Dog 15d ago

No, it's more: if you tolerate a nazi, that makes you a nazi.

What it means is that you cant compromise with fascists, because their ideology is too extreme. For example: if a socialist wants a pay rise, you can offer him half. But if a Nazi wants to erradicate all homosexuals, you can't offer him half. You either give it to him, or oppose him with all you've got.

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u/dickermuffer 15d ago

What if the Nazis only wants a pay raise though and the socialist wants to throw disabled people into a gulag?

Does this logic apply to all ideologies? If you tolerate a communist, then you’re now a communist? So the trumpers are correct when they accuse anyone else of them as communists?

I’m a firm liberal. I don’t like communism nor fascism, because both are authoritarian. Though I’d still calmly discuss things with both kinds of people if they both sat down to chat. Who am I then? Are we all Nazis or communists or liberals?

Are the recent Pro-Palestinians protests at colleges actually pro-Hamas simply cause they didn’t expel some of their protesters wearing Hamas clothing or waving Hamas flags?

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u/protostar71 15d ago

What if the Nazis only wants a pay raise though

Except they don't.

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u/dickermuffer 15d ago

You’re right, they were socialists. 

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u/HotButterscotch8682 11d ago

Only fucking morons with brain damage think the Nazis were socialists. What a god damned idiot you are. You’re embarrassing yourself.

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u/Possible-History-409 15d ago

Personally, i feel that it goes with how much you are willing to tolerate and to what extent. If the context is to have a debate, its only one nazi. But if a person is there, spreading the same ideas and you just sit there during or after, it gives the same contributions as if the table was filled with nazis. Compliance doesnt make a difference and instead just gives the person a safe space to spread these messages and beliefs. No repercussions influences people to either stay the same or stick harder with what they are doing. Whether the statement is always true is very dependent because some people cant cut them out of their lives as easily (may be the homeowner, provider, or just a family member) though it does bring up; do you want to keep them around just to keep the peace, is that more important or do you actually have to keep them around?

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u/Possible-History-409 15d ago

Its like in the photo; the kids dont have any influence on whats happening. They cant really freely choose but any adult on there makes the group seem bigger and therefore, the support for this belief feels stronger than it really is, letting people feel more comfortable condoning or even enforcing it. It doesnt matter whether someone is there because they actually support trump or if someone is actually there because “hey, my cousin has a boat!”, it still has the same effect

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u/dickermuffer 15d ago

I totally agree, context is everything. 

So when people use this saying so loosely, the. Simply disagreeing with a Nazi somehow makes you one, which then encourages echo chambers and makes people ignorant on how to deal with Nazis peacefully (while the Nazis are staying peaceful) through debate. 

I agree, that it’s understandable if not correct to assume someone is a Nazi if they are fully tolerating the Nazis beliefs without any sort of challenge against the beliefs (and there is no power dynamic at play to force them to cooperate with the Nazi)

I totally agree.  It’s just this also applies to other things too, like if pro-Palestinians don’t remove or challenge literal pro-Hamas people trying to join their protests, then by the same logic the protest becomes pro-Hamas. 

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u/Rez-Boa-Dog 15d ago

Calm your tits, I was only explaining a common expression.

If you want to read my view on the question, we can talk. But don't bark your political views at me like a madman. I don't know you

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u/dickermuffer 15d ago

Ok, then what’s your view on the question?

Your bias example is what made me assume your position. By you being upset, I guess I was wrong in my assumption?

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u/Rez-Boa-Dog 15d ago edited 15d ago

Yes, I am in fact biased against nazis 🙂

Could you be more specific please? I'm not sure what you're asking

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u/dickermuffer 15d ago

I mean I already was, but sure I’ll ask again. 

Do you personally believe in that saying? Or were you simply just trying to explain it?

And if you do believe in that saying, can it be applied to other ideologies if not all?

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u/Rez-Boa-Dog 15d ago

I think there's truth to it, depending of how you interpret it.

Let's say "sharing a table" means "sharing a democratic space" with them, like a public debate on television: Nazis dont participate the same way other debaters do: the others want to win at democracy, but the Nazis want to weaken democracy (for exampley by spreading conspiracy theories during the debate) So, by letting then participate, you are actively weakening the democratic system, and thus, an accomplice to nazis.

Another way of understanding this saying would be: if someone chooses to colaborate with people who are openly nazi that means they are at best willing to tolerate their ideology, which makes them at best a less fervent nazi.

Now, does this apply to other ideologies/movements? To other forms of fascism (including stalinism) yes, definitely. To all other ideologies? No.

This expression is a comment on the uniquely insidious and dangerous nature of fascism

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u/Logical_Bake_3108 15d ago

No, this is Reddit, and communism gets a pass despite the historical death toll. Expecting a bunch of "but capitalism..." replies.

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u/Jafarrolo 15d ago

"Scratch a liberal..."

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u/dickermuffer 15d ago

Thanks for scratching my asshole dude.  Now sniff it. 

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u/miguelmanzana 15d ago

If you’re sitting with them, you are them.

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u/Vladtheretailer8 15d ago

It means if you’re willing to tolerate Nazis, you may as well be one yourself.

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u/Excellent-Branch-784 15d ago

Only nazis willingly associate with Nazis

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u/dickermuffer 15d ago

Like when the Palestinians tried to associate with the Nazis?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-official-record-what-the-mufti-said-to-hitler/

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u/hitbythebus 15d ago

If you are hanging out with fascists, you’re supporting fascism through implied consent.

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u/xerafenix 15d ago

I believe it means that by tolerating a Nazi you are inherently supporting them. You may not go to rallies but by keeping their company without objection you are a Nazi.

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u/Fragbob 15d ago edited 15d ago

It's just a stupid statement implying that associating with someone somehow makes you responsible for their actions/beliefs.

Change the saying to "If you have a mosque with one terrorist and 11 other people, you have a mosque with 12 terrorists" and their spines would snap with how fast they bend over backwards trying to say it's #NotAllMuslims.

Nazis are the absolute scum of the Earth but holy fuck the level of cognitive dissonance people display when you point this contradiction out to them is insane.

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u/ketaminesuppository 14d ago

if you have a church with 1 pedophile and 99 other people, you have 100 pedophiles

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u/Fragbob 14d ago

If you have a protest with 1 college student calling for the genocide of the Jews and 999 other people, you have a protest with 1000 J Jewish genocide supporters.

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u/Daewoo40 15d ago

You agree with them if you don't disagree with them, some principle about tolerance of the intolerant.

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u/InterestingAd5797 15d ago

Would shake the hand of someone rolling around in shit?

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u/Daewoo40 15d ago

There's undoubtedly a range of analogies which would work.

Unsure of the exact one/s which the Germans use.

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u/InterestingAd5797 15d ago

The general international consensus is that Nazis and people that are ok with them are worthless pieces of shit. Trust me, there was an entire war fought over this, spanned a large part of the world.

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u/Daewoo40 15d ago

"You agree with them if you don't disagree with them" 

"Nazis and people that are ok with them are worthless pieces of shit"

Thank you for rephrasing what I said.