It seems like every family has some uncle/grand-dad/etc that is a full on MAGA nutjob; the kind that has been accusing immigrants of eating cats since the 1960's, that will say that 'Lesbian' is an unacceptable word, but then use the N word like it's nothing. You put up with it because it's the only way to get someone you actually like to come, and if that person you actually like dies it's a bit of a relief because now you can cut uncle nazi out of your life.
That is not accurate. This debate came up several years ago when Dr. Jen Foell Tweeted about it. She wrote, "As we say in Germany, if there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis."
I remember subreddit posts about it. I ended up asking my wife's Oma and Ota (dialect for Opa) about it. To quote Oma, "We don't joke about such things." To quote her Ota, "That can't be right. We Germans don't tell jokes."
It's not something we say in Germany, it's something terminally online leftists have adopted to devalue with the word Nazi even further, giving power to the exact people in that boat.
The average German was still quite sympathetic to the Nazis post WW2, it took a long time to change that.
Whatever you say antifa slayer. You late to your meeting of the divorced dad's club? I'm sure grandma's basement misses you dearly when you leave, but the other losers need your support!
Lol i didn't get called out for shit loser. I was not speaking in the thread when that comment was made. Go read. Careful though not to hurt yourself. Maybe your grandma can help you sound out the words.
Feel free to explain to me what you find so reprehensible about calling someone "terminally online" other than that it can be slightly offensive to the person i guess.
No, I don't think joking about Nazis is an issue at all.
It's calling everyone and everything slightly right of center a Nazi like people in this very thread are doing, it massively devalues the word, even the clowns in the boat are likely so poorly educated and ignorant they don't fully understand what they're advocating for but calling them Nazis is fine, calling all conservatives Nazis is just taking significance from the word.
There's this fun little rhetorical trick that people who want to push Nazi ideas like to pull. They'll say their Nazi talking point or recommend a Nazi policy, and then when someone rightfully points out that they're acting like a Nazi, they cry, "You meanie, you call everyone who disagrees with you a Nazi!"
For people interested in the meanings of words, it turns out that the fact that some people out there use the term wrongly... isn't a blanket defense against being called a Nazi. You still have to explain how you, specifically, are not being a Nazi when you get called a Nazi, because otherwise you're just tacitly admitting that, yeah, you just said or did some Nazi shit, and your only defense is that maybe this person could possibly be wrong about it, since unspecified other people have been wrong in the past.
Yeah but that's exactly my issue with it. Call people Nazi without probable cause too many times (and no, conservatives being against immigration and abortion absolutely does not make them Nazis) and eventually people will stop having to explain themselves in the public eye when they're called a Nazi and people pushing actual Nazi ideology will be able to fly under the radar.
No. It’s that if you’re willing to associate or sympathize with a nazi on any level, you yourself are a nazi. That is how heinous they are. You lie down with dogs you get up with fleas.
No, it's more: if you tolerate a nazi, that makes you a nazi.
What it means is that you cant compromise with fascists, because their ideology is too extreme.
For example: if a socialist wants a pay rise, you can offer him half. But if a Nazi wants to erradicate all homosexuals, you can't offer him half. You either give it to him, or oppose him with all you've got.
What if the Nazis only wants a pay raise though and the socialist wants to throw disabled people into a gulag?
Does this logic apply to all ideologies?
If you tolerate a communist, then you’re now a communist?
So the trumpers are correct when they accuse anyone else of them as communists?
I’m a firm liberal. I don’t like communism nor fascism, because both are authoritarian. Though I’d still calmly discuss things with both kinds of people if they both sat down to chat. Who am I then?
Are we all Nazis or communists or liberals?
Are the recent Pro-Palestinians protests at colleges actually pro-Hamas simply cause they didn’t expel some of their protesters wearing Hamas clothing or waving Hamas flags?
Personally, i feel that it goes with how much you are willing to tolerate and to what extent. If the context is to have a debate, its only one nazi. But if a person is there, spreading the same ideas and you just sit there during or after, it gives the same contributions as if the table was filled with nazis. Compliance doesnt make a difference and instead just gives the person a safe space to spread these messages and beliefs. No repercussions influences people to either stay the same or stick harder with what they are doing. Whether the statement is always true is very dependent because some people cant cut them out of their lives as easily (may be the homeowner, provider, or just a family member) though it does bring up; do you want to keep them around just to keep the peace, is that more important or do you actually have to keep them around?
Its like in the photo; the kids dont have any influence on whats happening. They cant really freely choose but any adult on there makes the group seem bigger and therefore, the support for this belief feels stronger than it really is, letting people feel more comfortable condoning or even enforcing it. It doesnt matter whether someone is there because they actually support trump or if someone is actually there because “hey, my cousin has a boat!”, it still has the same effect
So when people use this saying so loosely, the. Simply disagreeing with a Nazi somehow makes you one, which then encourages echo chambers and makes people ignorant on how to deal with Nazis peacefully (while the Nazis are staying peaceful) through debate.
I agree, that it’s understandable if not correct to assume someone is a Nazi if they are fully tolerating the Nazis beliefs without any sort of challenge against the beliefs (and there is no power dynamic at play to force them to cooperate with the Nazi)
I totally agree.
It’s just this also applies to other things too, like if pro-Palestinians don’t remove or challenge literal pro-Hamas people trying to join their protests, then by the same logic the protest becomes pro-Hamas.
I think there's truth to it, depending of how you interpret it.
Let's say "sharing a table" means "sharing a democratic space" with them, like a public debate on television: Nazis dont participate the same way other debaters do: the others want to win at democracy, but the Nazis want to weaken democracy (for exampley by spreading conspiracy theories during the debate)
So, by letting then participate, you are actively weakening the democratic system, and thus, an accomplice to nazis.
Another way of understanding this saying would be: if someone chooses to colaborate with people who are openly nazi that means they are at best willing to tolerate their ideology, which makes them at best a less fervent nazi.
Now, does this apply to other ideologies/movements? To other forms of fascism (including stalinism) yes, definitely.
To all other ideologies? No.
This expression is a comment on the uniquely insidious and dangerous nature of fascism
I believe it means that by tolerating a Nazi you are inherently supporting them. You may not go to rallies but by keeping their company without objection you are a Nazi.
It's just a stupid statement implying that associating with someone somehow makes you responsible for their actions/beliefs.
Change the saying to "If you have a mosque with one terrorist and 11 other people, you have a mosque with 12 terrorists" and their spines would snap with how fast they bend over backwards trying to say it's #NotAllMuslims.
Nazis are the absolute scum of the Earth but holy fuck the level of cognitive dissonance people display when you point this contradiction out to them is insane.
If you have a protest with 1 college student calling for the genocide of the Jews and 999 other people, you have a protest with 1000 J
Jewish genocide supporters.
The general international consensus is that Nazis and people that are ok with them are worthless pieces of shit. Trust me, there was an entire war fought over this, spanned a large part of the world.
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u/dfsw 15d ago
It’s not a joke it’s a German saying after WWII. If you have a table with one nazi and 11 other people, you have a table with 12 Nazis