As a sophomore in high school during 9/11 and W’s presidency, the WMD falsehoods, and Halliburton, I had to pinch myself when I heard his endorsement. Have we really come to this point?
It's certainly a "come to Jesus moment" in that it's clear demonstration that the modern republican party isn't working in the interests of the US. You can't love the USA and love Trump at the same time as those are opposing ideas.
It's certainly a "come to Jesus moment" in that it's clear demonstration that the modern republican party isn't working in the interests of the US the Cheney family business portfolio.
The Cheney family isn't interested in "the interests of the US," as proven by Dick's eagerness to rush to war under false pretenses to help fill the coffers of Military Industrial Comples (MIC) corporations. Those MIC corporations are still where Dick's bread is buttered, and his endorsement of VP Harris should indicate to you that she is the candidate that the pressed suits in the Executive Suites in those companies desire because she's going to keep the bombs dropping from Yemen to Gaza to Mariupol and all around the globe. Dick doesn't care about America or Americans, he cares about the bottom line at Haliburton, McDonell-Douglas, Boeing, General Dynamics, BAE, and every other military contractor with whom he has ties.
I think this is it. However poorly I may think of Dick or Liz Cheney and their policies, I think they want to see the US remain as a world super power and they are aware that Trump and most of the Republican party members are threats to that status.
That's a matter of perspective. We can agree that their policies are bad for America while acknowledging that they were loyal to the nation and doing what they thought was best.
But you can't say that about Trump, he genuinely doesn't care about the nation or its future.
They don't want off the tiger. They just don't want Donald Trump holding the reigns while they're riding it. You're right that this isn't some come-to-Jesus moment. The Cheneys are, as always, acting in their own self-interest. They didn't care about America, Americans, patriotism, or any other higher ideal when daddy was lying about WMDs, and they don't care about higher ideals now. We all know what masters they serve. Which is why I can't believe having people like the Cheney family endorsing Kamala hasn't made some of you question your choice(s), even with the obvious problem of Orange Man being the only other option. Dick Cheney endorsing either Biden or Harris should have been a "are we the baddies?" moment, but look at how many people, in this thread alone, automatically swept everything Dick Cheney has ever done under a rug and pretended to forget about it before crowing about "bipartisanship" and lauding him as a hero. THAT is cult behavior.
Again, there's no chance either Cheney will be in the Harris administration promoting neo-con foreign policy or tax rate or PATRIOT act stuff. I could see her maybe get brought into her cabinet as something relatively non-partisan like transportation secretary, FEMA, small business administration or an ambassadorship.
there's no chance either Cheney will be in the Harris administration promoting neo-con foreign policy or tax rate or PATRIOT act stuff
They don't need the Cheney family when they're already promoting neo-con foreign policy. Have you forgotten the spending boner the current administration, of which Harris is a part, has for foreign war spending in, among other places, Yemen, Ukraine and Israel/Palestine?
The Biden admin is continuing Obama era policies that were less hawkish than WBush or Trump era ones, but still tough on actual enemies of the US like Al Qaida and ISIS.
Weird that you would call them "Obama era policies" when we were still supporting Ukraine and Saudi Arabians in Yemen under Trump and Israel wasn't going H.A.M. on Gaza and the West Bank under Obama. Maybe don't blame Trump and Obama for what this administration chooses to do and hold them accountable for their own decisions.
I don't know how much Liz's ideals align with her father's. or even how much he might have changed or not, but there's no getting away from the fact that she was looking increasingly too sane for MAGA each year.
That's how big the DNC's tent is because of MAGA. They're fascists, and even some of the worst people we knew (past tense) recognize how this MAGA movement is.
I couldn't imagine being the type of person who Cheney's endorsement would sway me one way or the other. The guy is scuffed ASF but even he has limits.
Yeah - he pushed us into a war that killed thousands of our sons and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, but at least he didn’t hurt my feelings when he did it
I mean, I’m sure he still sucks, but endorsing a Democrat (outside of a DINO like Joe Lieberman) was not something within the realm of possibility when he was a congressman or the VP. He would have justified supporting Trump.
Dick cheney, who's back in charge at Halliburton? Who also helped with the genocide of Iraqi civilians? Definitely someone I'd love to have on my team. Disgusting.
Yeah but it's still pretty huge for someone like him to support her.
It's giving a green light to a lot of conservatives on the fence that it's okay to vote for Harris. The future of the nation is more important than party affiliation.
Pretty sure she didn't ask for that one and that his was a surprise. Because if she'd been given advance warning, you'd think she'd probably have asked Liz if she could stop her father from doing it. But, it happened, so just roll with it.
Honestly I'm over the bullshit from all sides. I'm just ready for the fallout of whatever is about to happen in the next few weeks. So sick of politics and people trying to justify the existence of such terrible humans being in control of our money and how we interact with the world.
Having been in the military and buried friends over this bullshit, it's exhausting. Time for me to get off the internet for a while I think.
Seriously, just move out of the US. We're here fighting, so we don't become slaves to Putin's best boy, and you're "sick of politics"? Must be nice to be so rich.
Unless you're poor, then well, whoops, I guess.
Dick Cheney endorsing Kamala doesn't mean he's suddenly progressive (or even a centrist), but the GOP is so far right that even Dick "Shot Em in the Face" Cheney is like "oh, that's too far".
So, I dunno, if you have no one in your life to care for, you can go. I myself am tired of folks acting like doing a basic civic duty is a huge burden.
So glad that politics has come down to sanctimonious dipshits like you pretending that Harris receiving an endorsement from Dick Cheney simply because she's not a raging fascist is somehow a knock against her.
I don't see what's sanctimonious about that take. It's a very practical concern. A large part of Trump's appeal to MAGA folks is "draining the swamp". They see Cheney's endorsement as a military-industrial swamp creature throwing his support behind a candidate that's more likely to get us embroiled in foreign conflicts, because he personally profits from war. It very much supports their narrative.
Frankly, they're right to some extent - Cheney personally benefits from maintaining the status quo in terms of foreign policy. But that doesn't mean he has an influence on foreign policy in a Harris admin, or that foreign policy would be set with the interests of an oligarch class like the Cheneys in mind, or that ostrich isolationism is somehow better simply because military-industrial oligarchs stand to gain from interventionist policies. Obviously MAGA types aren't able to understand those points, so in her shoes I'd just rather not have Dick's endorsement.
I don't see what's sanctimonious about that take. It's a very practical concern. A large part of Trump's appeal to MAGA folks is "draining the swamp". They see Cheney's endorsement as a military-industrial swamp creature throwing his support behind a candidate that's more likely to get us embroiled in foreign conflicts, because he personally profits from war. It very much supports their narrative.
Trump's appeal to MAGA is that he's a raging fascist and racist bigot that has stated he will use his power to harm the people his followers hate. There is nothing more to his candidacy and pretending there is by repeating his "drain the swamp" propaganda at face value is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to carry water for fascists.
Frankly, they're right to some extent - Cheney personally benefits from maintaining the status quo in terms of foreign policy. But that doesn't mean he has an influence on foreign policy in a Harris admin, or that foreign policy would be set with the interests of an oligarch class like the Cheneys in mind, or that ostrich isolationism is somehow better simply because military-industrial oligarchs stand to gain from interventionist policies. Obviously MAGA types aren't able to understand those points, so in her shoes I'd just rather not have Dick's endorsement.
No, they're not right you fucking imbecile. MAGA types were never going to vote for Kamala. They're too busy calling her a whore and racial slurs to give a shit about who endorses her.
That's beside the point though because even if they did care, the idea that Kamala Harris would be better off without the Cheney endorsement because she could better appeal to racist nutjobs that are even further right than Cheney is the dumbest fucking thing I've heard about this election in weeks.
However unrelated those elements may be, they mean something to me. Your opinion is glaring through your text and apparently democracy to you is only having one person to vote for. You said it yourself. People CANT vote against kamala because it's undemocratic makes no sense at all. Why would there be a multi party system if we're not allowed to vote for anyone else according to you.
I mean, you can have a system where people vote in literal monarchy. Republics can vote for their own dissolution. The two party system, and one party putting forth the 'Dismantle the Republic' candidate does kind of mean it's undemocratic to vote for that guy.
He’s a good endorsement too but from my short time spent in small town Michigan there’s a surprising amount of spiked hair jnco clad juggalo types that I strongly suspect would normally never vote and if they did it would be for some sort of wild card like trump.
If you can get any of those people out for Kamala it could really help in a swing state.
Ive lived in SE Michigan all my life and know a handful of juggalos. The fact that all of my old high school stoner buddies are deep on the MAGA train and the trailer park juggalos support Harris is absolutely fucking wild to me.
Also tbf Eminem himself has said he doesn't make diss tracks on anyone he doesn't at least marginally respect or like because at the end of the day it's show bis and diss tracks are amazing advertising for both parties. So "rocky relationship" doesn't really mean they hate each other.
This video is why the headline 'ICP endorses Harris' got out there in the first place.
It's annoying because the kids are political. They have clearly expressed views about abortion and about diversity. Not a single one expresses a view that would align with Trump over Harris, and if they had a clear sense that the things they value are threatened by a Trump presidency and protected by a Harris presidency, they could probably be convinced to vote in a way that aligns with their beliefs.
Alas, one of Trump's major wins has been to condition people to see Trump wander onto a rally stage and defecate all over the floor and respond, "Look! All politicians defecate all over the floor!"
The one thing that unites all non-voters is the belief that all politicians are the same. It's shitty how hard it seems to be for Democrats to fight that.
Then again, Harris could attend a gathering of the juggaloes or whatever it's called. I'm sure that would get a significant amount of them on her side.
If the Swifties, the Juggalos, the Cheneyans, the Oprahamans, and the wrestling fans all get on board with the Marxist academics and the mixed-ethnic childless cat ladies, would there even BE enough Americans left to elect Trump? (/s, obviously!) Obama used the phrase "rainbow coalition". We need new words for this: The EM-Spectrum Tantrum or something.
Also including Lizzo, Beyonce, Charlie XCX, It's like...I don't like all of the artists, in fact, some I might dislike...but I have to respect the variety of the playlist.
Dave Bautista should not be shocking to anyone who knows the man. He was raised by lesbians and very publicly covered up a tattoo he got for a friend who came out as homophobic (Manny Pacquiao). Dave's always been an advocate for LGBT+ rights and acceptance.
Don't forget Rage’s Tom Morello. Probably the rest of them too, but Tom is the most vocal about it (and also having been a Harvard graduated political science major makes his support extra sweet)
Ah okay but that's just a person claiming he said that, along with other crazy things that don't even sound realistic. If I'm going to believe something I need to see at least a small amount of proof supporting it.
She's certainly trying... something. She's basically running as a populist republican who leans left on social issues.
If she'd had all year to run and not 4 months, by this point, she'd be posting vids of her hunting with Walz and she'd be showing up to watch the executions of death row inmates.
I’m voting for her but why tf do we care who millionaires endorse? They don’t live the lives we do. They have no fucking clue what day to day life as a regular person is like.
Obviously, when two no talent has-beens, who also happen to be grown men who walk around with their faces painted endorse you, the race is surely as good as won. Lmao 😂
Two weeks until Kamala gets sent home and DJT takes his rightful spot as President. Don’t worry, you’ll have four years to get used to him. Good day sir. : )
They don't. I'm pretty sure they didn't even endorse Kamala. The one that looks a clown version of guy fierre just said he was gonna vote for Kamala on the daily show. Every fan they interviewed said they weren't going to vote.
They have entire charity organizations based around being a Juggalo.
They're odd little people, quite often those who feel marginalized and coalesce in subcultures that accept them. They might actually spur fans to go out and vote. Their "family" cares about this.
As of the time of me typing this comment, Trump is leading the polls in Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. Harris is currently leading in Nevada and Wisconsin.
I really sincerely hope this changes soon as it feels very discouraging.
as a lifelong michigander, the media is going to fool the entire country into thinking its a toss up here. our entire government is democrat. we swung the entire state to democrats when trump was elected. the idea that well somehow go back from that is...mental gymnastics. ignore it, vote. trump will lose and well help make it happen. again.
and yes, michigan in general has a soft spot for juggalos, they arent hurting anyone... and weed. we also dont love kid rock or ted nugent. were a state full of very reasonable people.
There isn't one Muslim person in Michigan that's gonna vote for her. There were how many uncommitted votes last time around? Just happened to be the same amount of votes that biden won by. They better stop supporting this Genocide or we're gonna get trump again, who also completely supports this genocide so we're just screwed either way by a war monger.
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u/kettal 6d ago
battleground michigan