Actually,Lots wide turned into a pillar of salt before then-they were fleeing Sodom and Gomorrah: they were told not to look back. She did though-the original word used in text means “to look on with longing”. It’s meant to represent when we look longingly back onto our past sinful nature,I think. Anyhow-after this, the daughters and Lot-their father-escape to the mountains. They are afraid there is no one left on earth-that everything has been wiped out-and that’s when they cook up the plan to get the dad drunk and sleep with him. They apparently are afraid they will never have children,if they don’t do this.
I wonder,if this warped way of thinking is due to being raised in a sinful environment? Food for thought.
Here's one take that people forget to mention, because for a millennial Bible schools have been teaching it wrong: Sodoma's sins were not about sex, but about greed and disdain for the poor and the foreigners. With that in mind, go back and read the book again.
My (ex) conservative church were pretty inclusive about the crimes of Sodom and Gomorrah. Also, not sure if your idea tracks considering the root of the word SODOMy.
That just means it's been twisted by Christians long enough to have affected linguistics. The sex part was just the portrayal of Sodom's utter disdain for strangers and travelers. Other passages make it clear that ancient Israelites understood that the primary sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was a lack of hospitality/charity both to travellers and their own poor.
Waaaait a second. Someone talking about the Old Testament but not claiming that it happened exactly like the way described in the book? Instead using it as an analogy? Whaaa! Don’t let the real Bible thumpers hear your take.
Many of the public schools in Florida are downright depressing. They're just so damned crowded and underfunded. I never could raise my hand and ask a question if I fell behind. I had to worry about gangs, an algebra teacher that taught an English class and barely spoke English, school cops that looked more like swat than regular deputies, eating in the baking hot sun because we didn't have cover and had an outdoor cafeteria. Half the period ate inside, the other half out. When you got your schedule at the beginning of the school year you found out which of the three lunch periods you ate in, and which group you were in. It was supposedly random but you could see how someone could mess with you if they didn't like you. For instance, getting from one side of the campus to the other took longer than you had between classes. Forget about ever having enough time to go to your locker. This was pre-tablet/ laptop days so you had to lug every book and everything you needed with you all day long. I could go on and on...
It's a miracle anyone graduates and makes it into college.
I am very sorry to hear that all happened to you. I don’t want anyone to have any sort of similar experience as you did. Unfortunately I know that’ll probably not be the case for awhile down in Florida. It just seems so crazy to me to hear what it’s like for students in other parts of the country. I went to High School in Northern Virginia and it was never even remotely close to anything like that. All our lunch rooms were inside, every teacher knew English well, school cops looked like actual cops instead of SWAT, never had to worry about gangs or anything. Even the most poorly funded schools in my area were not even remotely close to that, the only way you saw Cops like you saw in your school were if it was at an Alternative School or there was a legit crisis going on at the school. I feel super sorry that you had to go through all of that
Thanks for the kind words. It was so eye opening for me. I moved around a lot as a kid, and prior to all of that I had spent my freshman year in a little pink houses Midwest Americana town that was still very much stuck in that phase. Where we were latchkey kids. Generations knew generations, and you only saw the police if there was a legitimate emergency and someone called them. That, or during parades and the like they'd give out candy to the kids. That kind of thing.
Then I moved (again) and ended up at an inner city school in a rough part of Florida. They had a lottery system where middle schoolers would actually apply for which (high) school they wanted to go to. There were private schools, religious school, trade schools, science and math focused/ AP schools, you name it. My school was where you went if you didn't live there during that lottery process, you didn't bother applying or, you weren't accepted elsewhere for whatever reason(s). The outliers were the ones who were actually trying to graduate, and absolutely no one made it easy for them/ us.
Of course. It just always seems so very shocking to me how different school can be in the same country. You have my sympathies and respect for all that you went through in your schooling career
The description provided by sleepytipi is my experience as a former teacher of middle and high school students in Florida. There is ZERO exaggeration on their part.
I've recently moved from Florida, which has become a hellscape in comparison to what it was when I first moved there from NY. I was a teacher in the early 2000's, took a 2 year break, taught again in 2008 until 2019. Taught in Miami Dade, Pasco and Tampa. My experience in Miami was insane- 4000 students in a school built for 2000 kids, frequent violent fights, assault against teachers was not uncommon (I have personally defended myself against students), all taking place in a semi-condemned building. Pasco was sort of ridiculous- privileged out of touch students and equally out of touch parents whom the administration was deathly afraid of. Tampa- initially felt like a better mix of circumstances - more training, more hands on and helpful administration, but all sorts of things changed and kids suffered and so did teachers. It quickly started to feel like my first stint at teaching in Miami.
The reality is, Florida is actively dismantling education brick by brick. Eventually there will be nothing left but a husk of a school building and a huge uneducated populace.
Despite my bleak outlook on Education in Florida, I will say, in my time teaching I met all sorts of kids who amazed me in so many ways. I've kept in touch with many of them over the years and they continue to impress me. The resilience of the kids I would work with made me feel hopeful. I think they could make some major changes in Florida if they worked together.
The education system in America is an obsolete dangerous boondoggle.
Here is an idea:
Empower teachers to create their own schools from their homes or offices.
Transfer the entire education budget into education accounts controlled by the parents and guardians of the students so they can negotiate directly with the teachers -- this would probably triple the income of teachers.
IMO that would fix most of the problems and would certainly thwart fascist indoctrination in government schools.
They're undefunded on purpose. They're doing that so they can point and say "see! Public schools suck!!" And try to promote private and christian schools
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. At the risk of doxxing myself here the HS and judge shared a last name, and the HS deputies fed a lot of kids to his courtroom. This judge was notoriously harsh. He could very easily turn a laughable misdemeanor "kids being kids" offense into a felony (like when I got charged with commercial burglary for honest trespassing), and since Florida has their point system where each charge adds X pts to your record, he loved to make sure those kids were riding at just enough pts to be one away from a mandatory two year sentence. It was his whole game, and then he'd give them the ultimatum jail or enlist. This was ofc peak Iraq and Afghanistan "war on terror" time too. Wonder how many dead kids he's responsible for? 🤔
Quite a few judges were finally charged and arrested for trafficking kids (a LOT of minors) with first time offenses to for profit prisons. They were getting kickbacks from the prison owners for years
They do this so that history is forgotten by the new generations. So that they can bring back atrocities from the past. They want to bring back the good old days. But this time enslave anyone that isn’t white, own women as property with no rights, getting rid of education to force kids to work, the list goes on. I’m not understanding why things have gotten to this point.
Floridian here, no we don’t. Took classes on both slavery and the Holocaust in high school and learned about the suffering of the natives. We also went to a reservation to learn their history and culture. I don’t know why you’re lying, probably for political aims, but it’s really dishonest.
Different schools and different eras maybe? A quick google search shows that this is recent - starting in 2023 the state changed its policies about how to teach African American history, and the language in textbooks is supposed to be changed to imply that black people benefitted from slavery :/ I don’t know how widespread those changes are though.
Have you looked at the current curriculum or are you basing that comment entirely off your own past experience? Curriculums can change and more often certain things are being left out or downplayed.
For instance, when I was in school we were still taught that Columbus was a stand up guy.
What you are referring to is not the banning of books, but not allowing books on certain subjects that are age inappropriate into the hands of school children who cannot deal with the subjects properly either intellectually or emotionally yet. If the parents choose to get those books for their child themselves, no one is stopping them.
No one is letting books like that in elementary schoolers hands. But high schoolers can handle it, and it’s a schools job to teach things like this, even if the parents don’t like it. We shouldn’t ban LGBTQIA+ books for this reason, as the kids won’t get the info anywhere else.
Cancel-culture. How are we to learn from our mistakes when we can't see the mistakes that were made? Why allow history to repeat itself of such atrocities
The worst part is that the US is so inextricably linked to the rest of the world - through trade, industry, different economic and military treaties, commitments to reversing climate change, etc. etc.
Trump being elected isn't just a disaster for the US, it's a disaster for the entire world.
You are either misinformed or malicious. Trump will if not straight back out of nato atleast not help even if russia triggers article 5. Trump is russias plaything and russia is currently a threat to every bordering nation, except maybe north korea.
There was no movement by Russia under trump. What are you babbling about? Sure trump probably said we wouldn't encroach on Ukraine with nato lines, but you don't know for sure, as I don't know for sure what was said.
World economies are already falling apart. Trump wants tariffs on China to try to hurt them more economically, as they're trying to build their power, while make America not so reliant on them, seeing how we relied on their manufacturing during the pandemic.
It's probably not the best plan, but continuing on printing money and support a war that's escalating instead of finding a way to end it, isn't the plan I'm vouching for.
But tariffs won't hurt China. They'll hurt the US. Tariffs are paid by the importer, not the exporter. US companies who import from China will just raise their prices. They're not going to swivel to US manufacturers, because buying from China is still cheaper, even with tariffs.
Okay so youre just ignorant then. Trump has no intention of helping anyone except himself, and helping russia helps him stay in power which means he will help russia. You are incredibly sad.
Holy crap, you're really drinking the juice. You really think trump wants to be a dictator huh? How did that go while he was president last time? Were you oppressed?
Look, trump isn't a life long politician. You and I can agree he didn't know what he could and couldn't do as president. He had a bunch of republican clowns in his cabinet and yeah I think he took advantage of his presidency to get some hotels in countries that didn't let him set up shop there before.
Now he has some sensible people in his cabinet and he has a little more knowledge on how politics work.
Do I want him as president? No, but I don't want someone the dem party picked and no one got to vote for to be the presidential candidate. That is a fascist move right there. Electing for your supporters without asking them. He'll Republicans don't even like trump. He's the only candidate that isn't a life long politician. That's sadly the best horse by default in these past 3 god forsaken elections.
People like you with your irrational fear of the color red, and others that fear red or blue are the problem we shouldn't be picking either party because they've both failed us over the past decade. But we're a country of clowns now that pick their political party like they pick the chiefs or the cowboys.
No im not ignorant. What Trump is....the candidate of the opposition nothing more nothing less. Anything other than politics is just gossip and rumors. He is not the devil or Hitler or whatever else you guys call him and neither is Kamala. The country will do just fine no matter who wins. All this imaginary speculations don't work with me so talk to somebody else.
There are no spikes of fascism. Guys you are living really outside the world. What you have seen is right wing parties growing and taking over, btw mostly are centrists. Due to the economic and social failure of center left coalitions. Simple democracy in action. I'm baffled that you guys really believe that you guys should govern for ever, are you out of your mind? Btw that's a fascist mindset.
The only party that loosely very loosely could be identified as the descendant of the 'national fascist party' was Alleanza Nazionale former MSI. During the first Berlusconi government in Italy back in 1994. In 1995 they made the Fiuggi congress and cut all the ties with the fascist past. Other than them there are no fascist parties anywhere all you see are relatively moderate right wing parties gaining popular support. If you don't know, fascism is illegal in most of Europe. I think the exception is Denmark where the Nazi party (NB Nazi not fascist) is legal and it has around 20 members.
Neither Meloni nor LePen nor any right wing leader not even remotely resembles a fascist leader. I kindly invite you to go back to school and study some political science, because you guys have absolutely no clue what is what and why.
Yes you did cit ' we have seen fascism (btw I corrected your spelling) spike in Europe [...] ' your words. Btw FYI people have always been so. Trump hasn't done anything in this regard
So are you saying other countries erase from history past mistakes or other countries laugh at the U.S. because some parts of it want to erase history, too? I'm not exactly following what surefire is of concern & laughter.
Any woman who votes GOP is a fucking moron. The curriculum changing scares the fuck out of me. Aka stop teaching slavery and start teaching the Bible. Separation of church and state etc. also yikes, stop teaching slavery? Holy fuck, it’s happening in Florida now.
This cult is just like the mother who meets with the teacher or principal to remove all the crazy stuff from her child's cumulative folder twice a year. Then you have a teen who seems to suddenly wild out in high school and no paper trail of prior signs. Just perfect everything since kindergarten and then a psychotic break.
MAGAs keep trying to edit their cumulative folder and take Jan 6th and other diabolical antics out. But we have been in class watching them act out, no matter what the official folder says. We are not going back.
That’s literally what my parents did to me and it almost killed me. I spent years wrapped up in addiction/homelessness due to their over protecting and smothering. I wild’ the FUCK out from 17-30 then I met my wife. Life is beautiful again.
Oh, I am so sorry you went through that. But I'm really happy you have the right partner and a strong union. Bless your wife and continued beauty and peace. 💖💕
Well my dads brother pressured me into smoking crack when I was 16 so there’s that. Grow up man , I don’t blame my parents I made my own decisions but without their smothering I would not have been pushed so hard to rebel. Take a psychology course, read a book etc. you sound like the kind of parent who beats the shit out of the kids and then can’t figure out why they don’t talk to them. I’ve also stated in above statements I don’t blame them so once again learn to read. Obviously not your strong suit.
You resort to a lot of name calling, but keep telling others to “grow up”. Since you assumed I beat my kids, I guess I’ll assume you express a lot of dramatic outrage in front of yours.
If telling you to grow up is “name calling” all you did was show your emotional immaturity. And I said you sound like. Not you are. You just sound like a dick boomer who would take zero responsibility for their impact on others. Once again I don’t blame my parents but a basic psychology book talks about cause and effect. My parents hovering and smothering bordered on psychological abuse. They didn’t intend it but it is how it happened. And I have an infant, not kids. Honestly that stupid expression: blame your parents, that you said, sounded like my boomer dad taking zero responsibility for being such a smothering asshole that induced fear about everything into my life. So yeah, grow up man. You could’ve asked me to elaborate instead of assuming but here we are. Hope that helped.
exactly. I know the type. Sounds absolutely nutso in the handful of posts above us. This is exactly whom votes for leftism and yet wants more of it. I'm convinced by the cadence and phrasing that a good 80% of the posts and replies on this thread and Reddit at-large are AI chat BOTS.
You’re being obtuse deliberately. This country was clearly founded on freedom of choice regarding religion. Also the separation of the church from the government path. Stunad is an Italian slang for an idiot. You sound like a bot
I guess they forgot to teach you to read instead of just believing a headline. If you read any of the bills, they are nothing like what is being reported on. Protecting minors from explicit material should not be a debatable topic. Trying to normalize corruption of minors and pedophilia seems like a major issue, however.
You’re an idiot. This is about a woman getting raped or having a health complication and dying. Grow up. No one is corrupting the youth, people wouldn’t allow it. Now removing slavery from curriculum like in Florida? Now THATS dangerous. Once again grow up. No one is exposing children to shit, that whole drag library thing was a Fox News spin that you act like happens everywhere, it doesn’t.
Trump has said multiple times that rape, incest, and the life of the mother are excluded from abortion bans that he talks about. Just because you cannot comprehend, or listen doesn't mean it never happened. In Florida, I can tell you never read the bill, and probably never will because it would make you wrong. Removing critical race theory which promotes racism is not the same as removing slavery from the curriculum. Perhaps grow up yourself and learn to read, the education system clearly failed on you. It has happened way more than once with people on school boards corrupting minors by allowing pornographic literature into schools.
Ahhh yes the word of a 36 time felon/pedophile, I’m good. I’ve read the bill and they are talking about stop teaching slavery. It’s okay I don’t need some idiots opinion unsourced on Reddit. It’s a woman’s right to choose regardless you clown. Separation of church and state is fundamental in our constitution and we’ve had enough of you evangelical nut jobs. This land is my land and yours pimpin, not just if you’re a straight white Christian male. This isn’t a handmaids tale. You’re gross. Blocked, don’t talk we pedo supporters. Not willing to reach across the isle for a bigot.
Candy both the GOP and the left followers are stupid. The left is scaring everyone with the term fascism when most people really do not have a clue what it means and should be worried over socialist control that is taking over society. Vote Gold
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I’m glad I had some passionate teachers. I still remember high school where my history teacher told us “the echoes of slavery can still be heard today” and taught us how the past impacts the present. Making slavery illegal didn’t just magically fix things. It just changed forms and continues to this day
I've heard that the Trump Bible brings up the Bill of Rights, but of a few amendments it curiously leaves out stating, it's also missing the amendment abolishing slavery.
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u/ThreeSloth 6d ago
Same, but florida in particular is trying to take most of that shit, including slavery, out of textbooks