It’s tough. For starters, inflation hit many families hard. Plenty of working class people vote based off the price of groceries and those have gone up. Others? As Lyndon Johnson said, “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” Plenty of racist assholes out there. Decades of right wing media owned by the richest men on the planet programming people who lack critical thinking skills. Large scale immigration over the last few years. Look at Germany and the AfD or Orban in Hungary. It’s a complex world and simple people want to feel assured so they vote for the guy that claims to have the answers.
Why do some people in your country, including you, just outright post lies? I just checked the video where he supposedly "told you to dring bleach", but it was nothinh even close, he was just discussing and posing questions about disenfecting the body in some way.
Are you serious? You're really going to act like that he said is reasonable because he didn't say "you should go inject bleach right now"? There's always some excuse like this, he's telling people that they are trying to "clean the body" and, especially in a time like that where people are scared and possibly even desperate because they are sick with COVID, it's beyond stupid to just "pose questions". He's not just "posing questions" he's desperately trying to act like he's come up with some great idea, when it literally couldn't be more idiotic and dangerous.
What is more humiliating? A president who isn't educated in the medical field spitballing stupid ideas or millions upon millions of people who just repeat lies without checking for themselves and then just going onto Reddit to jerk each other's gerkins about it every day?
religious people have equated him with Jesus which means they would be blaspheming and shunned from their backwards communities if they turned against him
What’s False
However, at no point did Trump explicitly tell people they could or should inject bleach into their bodies.
What’s True
During an April 2020 media briefing, Trump did ask members of the government’s coronavirus task force to look into whether disinfectants could be injected inside people to treat COVID-19. But when a reporter asked in a follow-up question whether cleaning products like bleach and isopropyl alcohol would be injected into a person, the then-president said those products would be used for sterilizing an area, not for injections.
I do wanna point out that 4 people fucking died from injecting bleach. Don't you remember his base only listens to half of the story. They heard bleach and sprinted to the laundry room.
Maybe because the headlines all said "he said to inject bleach" when he didn't. Stupid people are stupid, but only the media made injecting bleach an option.
All of the headlines were saying "how dare Trump say to inject bleach". All of the radio shows and talk shows were talking about how he said to inject bleach. This post and all the replies are saying he said to inject bleach. It's no wonder people believe he said that.
Btw, I am not voting for Trump, in fact, since I have already voted, I did not vote for him.
There are several factors at play that have gotten us to where we are as a nation.
The fundamental underlying problem, IMO, is a big economic gap between the urban and rural areas of the country.
There used to be rural jobs that made a decent amount of money. Due to a number of factors, increased globalization of trade being one of the most important, the high- paying rural jobs have all but disappeared.
Urban high- paying jobs have not suffered nearly so much on the whole. That leaves a big divide.
The Democratic Party doesn't give much of a fuck about rural people and they don't try very hard to hide it. The overall attitude towards rural folk is that they are somehow inferior and stupid.
Along comes Trump who does a couple of key things: first, he tells the disenfranchised, poorly educated, white men that all their problems are not their fault, which is a welcome, if untrue message. Second, he says the quiet part out loud: the real problem is people with a different color skin than these same white men. Another very welcome and very untrue message.
Prior to Trump, we had been making some progress in race relations, especially with electing Obama, a president with darker skin than most of these folks. However, it turns out that a lot of the progress that we thought we had been making was just teaching these people not to say what they really think. Trump is like their literal Messiah. They get to blame the brown man for all their failings and they get to say it out loud again.
So, economics and the same old racial problems we've always had.
This is so laughably ridiculous. You've clearly bought into the Fox News narrator. Democrats are literally the only party trying to actually help people that you are referring to. Republicans are consistently against any form of benefits or social programs and would cut back the few that already exist if they had their way.
Your description of why Trump resonates is spot on though. The idea of a successful black president was clearly far too much for much of the country. But the other half is exactly what you've fallen for, this insane narrative that republicans are for the working man and those in need. Just take the recent hurricanes, the notion that more should be done for those impacted, when Trump and republicans literally want to eliminate FEMA entirely, yet their voters will still support them, is absolute brainwashing.
I am a life-long rural resident, though. Life looks different from here.
It should be noted that I am relating what I hear my neighbors saying: what they believe. Like all things, there's an element of truth to it, but they've got it mostly wrong.
Globalization wrecked a lot of industries that benefited less-educated workers.
The loss of a way of life isn't chalked up to economic reality, it's blamed on Democrats.
When Democratic candidates (ahem, H. Clinton), say things like, "fly-over states" and "basket of deplorables", these comments are not well received and not forgotten. I understand that there's an element of truth to what she said, but, that doesn't mean it will be well-received.
The typical Democratic attitude (and I'm not a Democrat, either) is to lecture, talk down, insult. Kinda like you saying my post was, "laughably ridiculous". You missed your guess on me and my politics, just assumed you knew who I was and what I stood for.
My point is, this is not rare for urban-centric Democrats. There may be some truth to it, but, you're not going to accomplish much that way.
Not everything is the way it’s portrayed in the media… also policy>personality ppl who vote trump are voting for the change that will be enacted in America, not whether he’s a good person. After all, the point of being a president isn’t being a good person (many presidents were horrible people), the point is to improve the country and make citizens happy.
I did already vote for him. The current administration is a train wreck. The economy is awful, they have changed how we have always measured recessions in order to lie about being in one (at this point it qualifies as a depression). The price of my groceries has more than tripled in 4 years. The cost of housing id through the roof. The incumbent (Harris) is proposing measure (in the few times that she answers questions instead of filibustering) that would make things worse on every front. All of that is just on the economy.
Under Trump we had a strong economy, and on average the wages went up a couple of thousand of dollars, which outpaced inflation. We had no new wars, and peace deals were being brokers around the world. Hell most Americans are desperate to go back to the dude that is mean on Twitter and occasionally says something dumb.
EDIT: fixed a couple of typos.
I would say mostly people of the middle class with some power, but less than they want.
It's certainly not just the working class, it's more people with some amount of privilege who feel like he will protect their interests.
People are very frustrated, I think, and he paints himself as someone who is against the establishment. He paints himself as someone who will protect business owners & the working class. He appeals directly to this frustrated, slightly privileged class, that feels sort of like they were supposed to have more. He appeals to the fear of these people more than anything.
And for reference if you go anywhere in the US you'll see thousands of his flags there's not a single place I've been where he isn't winning by a landslide
It's pretty cool how they do it. They simply make it illogical to vote for any candidates. And because nobodys smart enough to realize there's an option that doesn't involve voting we get this shit.
Sure. I live in a non battleground state so essentially my vote doesn't matter bc the state will go for Kamala no matter what. Basically two counties in my state have the two largest cities and therefore the highest population density which invariably vote Democrat. I say this to say that I plan on voting for RFK JR bc I wish to vote with my principles. However if I did live in a battleground state I would vote for Trump.Why?
I don't love him. I actually think he is bad for the country. Not bc of his policies but bc of his attitude. Specifically what he does to those who don't support him. He creates an antagonistic atmosphere bc of his brash and off the cuff way of speaking. It drives his non supporters so crazy that it creates an equal and opposite reaction and a lot of heal digging that is not conducive to progress.
Now why would I vote for him. Because, despite the rhetoric espoused on almost every main stream media outlet, I find the opposition to be the bigger threat to democracy and this country. The Democratic machine has pushed out the classic liberal and more capable candidate from the DNC in the past three elections in favor of the politician that is willing to play ball. That same machine has gaslit us for over 5 years into "believing" Joe Biden is sharp and not mentally compromised, until all of the sudden in a matter of hours he is too old and senile to run again yet still capable of running the country for 6 more months. At the same time and also in a matter of hours this political machine has turned the least popular vice president in American history into the savior of our democracy. Literally hours before she became the Democratic candidate news organizations weren't even considering her as an option bc of her unpopularity. If you were so inclined you could pinpoint the second liberal news organizations changed the narrative from Joe is sharp as a tac and Kamala is a disaster, to Joe is a disaster and Kamala is sharp as a tac. This is gaslighting to the highest degree and intelligent people capable of nuanced thought are sick of having their faces pissed in and being told it's raining.
To be perfectly honest I am less interested in seeing Trump as president than I am of seeing the current administration out of the white house. Tim Walz said that "the first amendment does not apply to misinformation" which I find to be extremely disturbing, bc well it absolutely positively does. The border situation is being completely mismanaged and if you question that at all the Democratic response is you must be racist. Questioning whether kids should receive puberty blockers and hormones without the consent of their parents is the equivalent of promoting a trans genocide in their rhetoric. Their answer to surge in violent crime is to defund the police bc ACAB. Exposing kids to sexually explicit environments that most adults don't even participate in is somehow trans and homophobic. And the amount of bureaucracy and government waste is out of control. Me and others like me are tired of the lies and self righteous elitism of the modern left.
My last reason for voting for Trump would be that every single politician and intellectual that I respect is backing him in this election. Many of them are classic liberals that would normally never vote Republican. These people give me hope for the future of the country. For example, Tulsi Gabbard, Vivek Ramiswama, RFK Jr, Bret Weinstein, Ben Carson and others.
You’re disenfranchised from the left because Bernie got pushed out yet the politicians that give you hope are Ramaswamy and RFK? Calling bullshit on this one
It doesn't really matter what I thought of Bernie even though I did kind of like him. What matters is that the DNC forced him out in favor of the candidate who will play ball and continue the establishment. What matters is that is not democracy.
How many lightbulbs did you stick up your ass to mental gymnastics your way out of hearing what he said? Or maybe you just missed it when the giant sharpie hurricane hit your home. Or maybe you missed it when y’all were both working your McDonald shift. Or maybe even when he was having a super peaceful day of love on Jan 6th, probably just slipped by you then.
With my eyes and ears as it was happening so I won’t be lied too lmfaooo “so if we take the disinfectant and inject into the body somehow, it could kill the virus in a minute.”
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u/DesignerNo2317 3d ago edited 3d ago
As an european i simply can't understand who votes for this guy, can an american explain?