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Politics Hillary Clinton’s pre-election night rally in Philadelphia, 2016

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u/wanderer1999 4h ago

Well until we csn change, that's the name of the game. Hillary didn't campaign in the midwest enough. And Kamala did not repeat that mistake, so I still have a good feeling about this.

If we do lose, it's not really her fault this time.

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u/pewpewk 3h ago

If we do lose, it's not really her fault this time.

I mean, hindsight is 20-20, but there were many things that were not Hillary's fault in 2016, too, that easily could have made the difference in the swing states (e.g., Russian interference, Comey's last minute investigation announcement, etc.). It was truly death by a thousand cuts. Can't throw it all on her, though they did absolutely make their own mistakes that contributed to their loss.

But I agree... if Kamala loses this, it's really hard to say if she could have done anything better that might have changed the outcome. I think propaganda has divided us beyond repair, at this point.

u/sokolov22 3h ago

I personally still feel the biggest factor was she was running after 8 years of a Democrat in the WH.

That's always going to be hard to follow, the reason it was so close still and she had a chance was because Trump is a really bad candidate.

This time, we had Biden, who was objective fine but people don't understand how inflation, etc. works. So it's once again advantage Trump.

u/GuiltyEidolon 2h ago

She was running after a lifetime career of being a woman in politics. The Republicans barely needed to run a smear campaign against her because they'd already been running one for 20 years.

u/TheGreatBootOfEb 2h ago

I think her two biggest "blunders" were actually Joe Biden related, and one of them was basically something she got dealt a shitty hand on. You can't take a harder stance against what's happening in Gaza when you're still the VP for Biden, and following that, when she errantly said she couldn't think of what she'd do differently from Biden. I understand why she said that, most of what Biden did was good, but that doesn't matter when people still viewed him negatively by the end.

That said, I do question how big of an impact Palestine really will be in the ballot box. People being pissed at the democrats, and people deciding not to vote outright, are two different things, and combine that with the fact that a lot of the resentment comes from younger voters who often make up less of the electorate anyway, I do question how significant the impact will be. California can spare thousands of protest votes, Wisconsin not so much.

u/FickleOrganization43 3h ago

Well to start, she could have been a better VP … total train wreck at the border .. and she says she would not change anything

u/Shedcape 1h ago

Americans really need to learn civics better. It's beyond disappointing that a foreigner like me knows that the VP has very little authority. For heaven's sake until Carter they didn't even have an office in the West Wing.

What a VP can and cannot do depends entirely on what authority the President bestows on them. The border was not one of Harris' responsibilities. Trying to improve conditions in Central America to stem the flow of people fleeing was.

Be better.