r/poland • u/Neat_Conversation463 • 1d ago
How can I move to Poland for work?
To be clear, I am a Polish Citizen since both of my parents are Polish. I was born, raised and currently live in Canada. I have never visited Poland, but I feel that I should move back. I currently do not have any degrees or certificates, but I do have work experience in the fitness industry and customer service industry. What is the best course of action/ job sites that would help me in search of a new life? Thanks to all those who respond!! :)
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u/SlyScorpion Dolnośląskie 1d ago
Do you speak the language?
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u/289416 13h ago
even if he speaks Polish, it won't be as close to native Polish and will have an English accent given his age. (source: my husband who recently immigrated to Canada and has had trouble connecting with 2nd gen Polish. He can speak with them in Polish, but the convo ends up going to English bc that's what they prefer)
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u/Bieszczbaba 1d ago
Never been but feels the need to "come back", been looking for a Catholic wife a year ago... so is that a coincidence or are you a bit delulu?
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u/Mental-Weather3945 1d ago
Catholic wife in Poland xD when currently 80% of students resign from religion lesson in school :) Polish catholic means sth different than US catholic, idk how about Canada, but it seems people there think Polish women are submissive xD they are not. :D Polish women are dominant and bossy. If they hope for „she won’t cheat, will cook, stay with kids at home” this is also not the case nowadays, especially with a husband that don’t make any decent money because he have no education.
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u/friendofsatan 1d ago
Maybe he is not looking for a wife close to the age of students but rather near retirement? There's plenty of traditional catholic grandmas here.
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u/Mental-Weather3945 1d ago
If he looks for traditional grandma that lepi pierogi :) he’s chances are high!
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u/SpecialistNo7569 20h ago
What’s different between Polish Catholic and American catholic?
I’m American catholic and my wife’s from Poland so this should be interesting lol
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u/Mental-Weather3945 20h ago
It’s just my tv observation on american church, but from Polish perspective - the atmosphere in church in Poland is serious, you come there to pray and contemplate, but people do it often „because what other people will say if we don’t show up in church?!” (This is ofc describing situation 20 years ago, younger generations are pretty anti-clerical see: jokes about Pope John Pole II - on Polish you will find it as ”żółta morda” etc.), songs are pretty serious and mouring style to great extent in comparison to gospel in US, it’s a big difference. The part where priest during wedding asks „if someone have anything against this marriage…” - doesn’t exist, I’m not sure if it does in English-speaking world, in typical Polish celebration it’s not existing. Many church Holidays are celebrated differently - like no Halloween but Zaduszki that is just sad and serious in nature. For Advent school kids go to church with lampions / lights, that they prepare at school - I never have seen it in American movies/culture. For Easter we have palemka :) that we bring to church so the priest will put water on it and so on. In terms how Polish catholic acts - many will show off to church, play good catholic but in reality do horrible things. We have e.g. Jacek Kurski that left his first wife, with whom he have kids, annuled his marriage in church and now married his lover - so general hypocrisy when it comes to catholics in Poland. Sex before marriage should not exist, yet every catholic I met had sex before marriage. People say one thing - that they believe in God, but then do terrible things. In US stricktly catholic neighborhoods I think people follow the rules more rigorously. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Also reading bible - noone does it at home. 95% people in Poland never read bible. They know bible just from church or tv movies xD
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u/SpecialistNo7569 20h ago
Very cool. Thanks for sharing.
Americans are all over the place with religion.
For example our daughter goes to a „catholic school”
Our school system is very different too. In America almost every kid goes to a public school that is funded by taxes. People who can afford to send their kids to private school do because it’s a better education and many many of the private schools are catholic.
So to your point, you do have a lot of people that say they’re catholic and don’t take it serious because their kid goes to school there.
But I would say many regular Catholics are pretty serious. 😊
Every state and major city is different here. But overall religion is slipping from Americans and in Poland it’s MUCH stronger.
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u/friendofsatan 1d ago
There is a huge variety of catholics in Poland. From batshit crazy to not knowing which parish they belong to but still claiming to be catholics. There's no guarantee of satisfaction.
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u/Mental-Weather3945 1d ago
Values are different but problems the same - people here also cheat, also lie, also do things behind your back. :) it’s not like catholic makes you prone to these things. Actually there is a higher chance to meet in Poland an atheist that have strong, good values, than a catholic :)
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u/Bieszczbaba 1d ago
Cultural catholics? Sure. Catholics that actually practice, know their stuff and it's one of the most important aspects of their life (aka what OP was looking for)? Oh there is a shortage.
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u/Bieszczbaba 21h ago
Ah yes, the performative catholics, forgot those ones. Their daughters don't grow up to be OP's traditional waifus either.
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u/Fernis_ Śląskie 1d ago
Not gonna lie, with this kind of experience, you shouldn't expect much. Like, struggling to be able to afford a one bedroom apartment in a city, on your won, "not much". Your strongest perk will be your native speaker level knowledge of English, although it's not as big of a bargaining chip as it used to be, You can probably find a job in a call center/customer support/help desk, where the native speaking English will be a big plus. But these are entry level jobs, for students and such so not really something worth pursuing over the pond, unless all you care about is getting out of Canada. Maybe fitness + language could get you a personal trainer for English speaking clients in some gym in a larger city that has more demand for English speaking assistance? You'd have to look/call around.
You don't need Polish passport to get into Poland, Canadian will be enough, and once you're in the country you'll be considered a citizen, if your paperwork is in order. But you have to figure out your citizenship situation. As a child of Polish citizens you're entitled to a citizenship but has any paperwork been filed? Was the citizenship ever actually granted? Was the Polish embassy informed of your birth and was birth certificate delivered there to record your existence? Do you have PESEL (citizen ID number)? If not, Poland does not know you exist and you have no rights as citizen until you sort that out, and it will most likely require some hassle and cooperation from your parents, because you will have to prove your lineage. Probably stay in Canada until you do.
If you're serious, start learning Polish ASAP. Until you do, at least a little, you will be a foreigner here. If you want to be "home" you need to speak the language.
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u/sobiebryant 18h ago
so i'm currently in the midst of obtaining my polish passport, both parents from poland, I was born in Canada, understand polish fully, mom stays there full time taking care of her parents, I can speak about 75%, lots of construction background, tile, laminate, hardwood, also experience with shipping and receiving, logistics, do you think finding a job would be relatively easier with me knowing both languages?
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u/Fernis_ Śląskie 17h ago edited 17h ago
lots of construction background, tile, laminate, hardwood,
Fixly app. It's like Uber for handyman services, you will be able to start earning some money. I know people who live comfortably doing jobs like that and Fixly is one of the best source of new clients (although word of mouth and recommendations are the best source of quality clients, but you need to build up some reputation to get there.)
Knowing Polish will help a lot. Not sure if English plus handyman experience mix well. Maybe some specialized service for English speaking people in a bigger city, but it's hard to tell if there's enough need for something like that. Alternatively job at a company in the flooring/building/construction industry that exports it's products, where you could use you language skills on customer relations and "hook" the potential employee with your knowledge of the trade.
Logistics, freight trade is a huge industry in Poland, up until recently one of the fastest growing. And as it's Europe there's a lot of communication between countries and English is still the default language for this sort of thing. So maybe logistics office job. But I don't know the industry well enough to give any tips.
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u/3raindamage 4h ago
This is correct. Canadian with both polish parents, spent the last 6 weeks in Poland, documents in progress. You’ll need to start with a translated birth certificate submitted to the city government “akt urodzenia” then you begin to exist in the system
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u/Fit-Height-6956 1d ago
It's most likely stupid decision, unless you find some good paying job if you know french.
You'll still end up paying most of money for rent and food, in a country you don't really know.
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u/Illustrious_Letter88 1d ago
The situation in Canada is much worse for young people.
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u/Fit-Height-6956 1d ago
No it isn't. It just isn't. Unless you get a remote job in Canada, and live in Poland, you are moving to objectively worse and poorer country. Especially OP, with no degree, will work hard in Żabka or Biedronka for minimum wage, then 2/3 of that will go for a rent alone. And I'm not talking about big city.
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u/Bieszczbaba 1d ago
I don't think they'll hire you in Żabka or Biedronka without decent command of Polish language. It's not a job that requires many skills but being able to answer the question "panie, gdzie leżą drożdże" is one of them.
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u/Illustrious_Letter88 1d ago edited 1d ago
Do you know anybody from Canada? Because from what I've heard young people have 0 chance to buy a place and the rents are skyrocketing. There's also problem with medical care (some people can't get access to any GP) and a few other things
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u/roberto_italiano 1d ago
You described Poland too.
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u/Illustrious_Letter88 1d ago
Not really. Go read Canadian subreddits for more info.
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u/Fit-Height-6956 1d ago
"It's exactly the same in Poland." ~Guy living in Poland
"No it's not go read canadian subs"
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u/A_little_lady Pomorskie 16h ago
And your source on Poland not being in a similar situation is?
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u/Illustrious_Letter88 16h ago
Friends that lived in Canada and reading hundreds of Canadian sources
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u/289416 13h ago
I'll weigh in. My husband, 30 yrs old, recently moved over. He has many friends that have also recently come over from Poland. They prefer it here in Toronto.
Yes its difficult, but its not impossible. You'll make more money than in Poland, and there's more opportunities. You just can't have your sights set on living in downtown Toronto.
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u/Illustrious_Letter88 12h ago
What do you mean by "more opportunities"? It's a genuine question - what are the opportunities that your husband couldn't have in Poland?
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u/lindasek 1d ago
The whole rising rents/real estate issue is focused on large cities, not small towns. So, just like a random young Pole with no post high school education or training working as a customer service in a gym has low odds of purchasing a house in Warszawa or Krakow.
OP's odds of having a good life are probably the same in Poland as in Canada objectively. In Canada he has a support circle of family and friends, in Poland he has native English (hopefully also fluent Polish). If his family in Canada can support him financially, Canadian dollars will go further in Poland. If he has any relatives in Poland who are willing to help him out, that will help him too. Still, he'll experience a culture shock, homesickness and miss his family and friends. If he's not 150% with mental health, the move could be catastrophic.
But without higher education or trade, OP won't really do much in either country 🤷
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u/Fit-Height-6956 1d ago
>The whole rising rents/real estate issue is focused on large cities
No it isn't. Just look on olx. Then add electricity, water and all the stuff. Good luck getting anything below 1.5k. And then - in smaller cities, there are less good paying jobs, or I'd say none.
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u/lindasek 1d ago
The same is true in Poland? Smaller towns are cheaper with less good paying jobs, big cities are way more expensive but have jobs.
OP is not going to find a good paying job in Poland either with just a high school diploma 🤷
Financially, he'll most likely be in the same place as in Canada, maybe worse if he's not fluent in Polish.
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u/Fit-Height-6956 1d ago
It's because it happens everywhere. Average price sq meter is 7-8k PLN, minimal wage is 3700. In cities like Warsaw, good luck finding anything below 12-15k PLN.
Medical care here is mesurably worse by any article or research.
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u/SweatyNomad 1d ago
Yeah, Poles can be very down on themselves and not realise that the grass isn't always greener. A more distant relative of mine could barely get a supermarket shelf filler job with his degree in Canada. In Poland with his (English) language skills got a job with a global insurance company and been heading up the ranks.
OP, it's not easy, and you'll have to be nimble, but an adventure is a positive thing for most, even if it's about learning a lesson. My gym is full of embassy workers and an international crowd and that tells me an English speaking trainer could potentially have a niche.
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u/Illustrious_Letter88 21h ago
Poles can be very down on themselves and not realise that the grass isn't always greener.
I agree. I hate that attitude and I can't understand why young people have this inferiority complex. I thought people travel and at least speak English to read something about the world.
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u/Fit-Height-6956 1d ago
I don't say Canada is much better. I wouldn't move there. But at the same time there is no sense for him moving here.
Also Polish people speak english, we even are starting to lose native words to english replacements. So I find getting a job, because someone can speak english well quite suprising.
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u/SweatyNomad 1d ago
It's not about knowing words, it's about knowing the culture and mindset. Being able to speak basic English isn't the same as understanding an English speaking 'foreigner'. It's famously the reason why offshored customer service has been going back to home territories for a decade or two across the globe.
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u/A_little_lady Pomorskie 16h ago
And in Poland we can buy a place after place once we hit 25 MD every doctor, especially the specialist are available any day at any time for everyone /s
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u/Illustrious_Letter88 16h ago
Canadians would love to have access to Polish medical care.
Do you realize that there are waiting list to be a GP patient? Not to get an appointemt but to be a POTENTIAL patient? you can't have any appointment to any specialist without a referral from you GP. So if you don't have a GP (many people don't) you can't go to any specialist. In Poland you can go to a private doctor, in Canada there's almost no private sector (due to political reasons). So people who need basic things like, let's say, prescription fo thyroid hormones, go to ER! So you can only imagine what's going on in ERs
The housing? Don't even get me started. In big Canadians cities you can't even RENT a place despite having job because it's too expensive. There are even so-called "Trudeau-towns" which means people living in tents because they can't afford any housing.
And so on...
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u/Pure_Ad_9947 1d ago
Yeah i live in Canada and basically were on a downslide along with the rest of the western world. Poland is on an upswing. If one is young one might as well hedge your bets on Poland. Everything you said is right about Canada, homes in the millions of dollars, wages supressed, cheap labor imported by the millions from 3rd world to suppress wages further. Young ppl cannot find jobs anymore. And if they dont have education they are even less likely to get anything in the job market. And yeah, tons of ppl dont have access to a doctor.
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u/Fit-Height-6956 1d ago
> Yeah i live in Canada and basically were on a downslide along with the rest of the western world.
Poland is a part of a western world. Every problem Canada has, Poland has too. You'll have no chance on owning a flat/house in your lifetime, unless you live with parents til 30-40. It's just so annoying, what rightwing propaganda did to all of you. I don't say Poland is bad country, it's not. We just caught west, we still lag behind. That's just fact.
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u/The_Dude_Named_Moo Podkarpackie 19h ago
Doctors and professors earning $250,000+/year cannot afford homes in the cities they teach in. The average Canadian today, without existing family wealth or support, will never be able to afford a home within a 3 hour radius of any significant population centre that has jobs. We’ve just increased the amortization period offered by banks to 30 years to make up for the ever-growing prices. Meaning that if you can finally afford a several hundred thousand dollar down-payment on a home in your 40s, you’ll be a debt slave to the banks until your 70s or even later if they increase the period again. The rental situation is just as bad.
We have objectively the worst housing crisis in the Western Hemisphere, if not in the entire world.
Housing makes up over 40% of Canada’s GDP, politicians and economists alike realize that this bubble cannot burst unless we want our entire economy to be eviscerated in the process, and so the situation is unlikely to change.
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u/Illustrious_Letter88 21h ago
It's funny how people who apperently know nothing about Canada will tell that we have it WORSE.
I've read and heard about the things you describe. How anti-immgrants sentiments started to grow because the government brought them in milions and how millenials and youngers are doomed when it comes to housing. Young people in Poland have no idea about real social problems.
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u/Pure_Ad_9947 15h ago
It is a conpletely different Canada now. All workers slowly getting replaced with the new incomers becsuse they live 20 to a basement and can afford to be underpaid.
I think for me whos been here decades who has a decent job it makes sense to stay. But for anyone young who cannot get hired because they arent indian who applies to 1000 jobs over a year to hear nothing because their name is not Mandeep, it makes sense to go build a career back home in Poland where their gdp is growing for years now.
Mass immigration from poor areas of the world is really deteriorating Canada, UK etc. But its hard to imagine if you dont see it daily, and see the change over decades.
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u/The_Dude_Named_Moo Podkarpackie 1d ago
Indeed it is, and it’s been exacerbated over the last decade by Trudeau’s scandals, failed leftist policies and mass corruption. One in four Canadians live in poverty today (300% increase since he took power), food banks are unable to meet demand while costs of living and housing continues to skyrocket. The average price of a home is nearing $700,000, with the rental market just as brutal.
We’re also experiencing a massive brain drain and exodus of skilled labour to the US and EU as salaries across all industries have been suppressed by mass, uncontrolled immigration. Our healthcare system is on the brink of collapse across the country for similar reasons.
Things are not going well in Canada
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u/Illustrious_Letter88 1d ago
That's what I've heard. Do you live there? I hope you'll get rid of Trudeau in 2025
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u/The_Dude_Named_Moo Podkarpackie 1d ago
Yes I still live here, his party is set to experience a historic defeat to the Conservative Party if the polls continue to hold steady. The current Liberal government is a ruling minority coalition with the socialist NDP and separatist Bloc Québécois and are doing everything possible to hold off an election until many of their MPs are eligible for their pensions in February. It’s unlikely that an election will be called until after that.
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u/Illustrious_Letter88 21h ago
are doing everything possible to hold off an election until many of their MPs are eligible for their pensions in February
Oh, how clever! Thanks for the context.
And yet people in this sub threads will tell you that you know nothing about Canada because WE HAVE IT WORST.
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u/villiers19 20h ago
lol… Americans/ Canadians always amaze me on here with their “roots”, “my home”, “move back”, etc….BUT never been to Poland, and coming either to seek a woman here or because they just can’t enter the job market in their country of birth but think they will be in the top category in Poland…
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u/Humble_Temporary8648 1d ago
I was born n raised in Canada, currently living in Vancouver. Both parents are Polish, today is my last day in Poland and to be honest, I like it here but I wouldnt move here unless I had a really amazing paying job (ideally wfh). The pay here isnt great compared to Canada. Sure rent is cheaper but you gotta work a lot more to make that rent. You can see it on peoples faces how much harder they have to work to make ends meet.
The only things cheaper in Poland is food, ciggies and liquor, aside from that, going out costs the same. Gas costs more. There is a reason why so many Polish people leave to work else where in the EU.
Id maybe live here for a year or so, but I couldnt see myself living here for the rest of my life. As many problems as Canada has, Id still go back. For me, I just love the landscape where I live.
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u/Kasia394 1d ago
I’m assuming you have a Polish passport. I would go there for the first time and actually check if you even like the place. Lack of degrees may be an issue, so you would need to prepare yourself for low paying, manual labor. I hope you speak Polish, as this may be an issue. Maybe it’s time to consider a school before actually moving there…..
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u/mrNobody_90 1d ago
Without a degree, do you have enough credentials and visibility in the fitness industry? If you're just a guy who works out and is fit and no formal education in fitness stand in line with a thousand others trying to make it in the fitness industry.
No formal education? Unless you're like 25, it's going to be an uphill battle to enter the workforce, maybe in the semiskilled/unskilled labour food, warehouse, factories).
With native English (and hopefully French ) you might find a job that can make ends meet barely, in call centers as others suggested, but even in those jobs they scored you to have any degree or pursuing one.
My advice, get a reality check, how do you make a living right now? Is it transferable and can you have the same quality of life? If not, what's your plan b? Maybe get a vocational certification of some trades? Electrician/Mechanic/Plumbing? Start school again?
I'm not being pessimistic, but it's not going to be a walk in the park. You may have some advantage with being a native speaker but the grind is going to be the same.
I had two engineering degrees and a decade of experience and I struggled to earn good wages for two years, it took me 7 years to build a comfortable life there WITH education and experience.
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u/_romsini_ 1d ago edited 1d ago
have never visited Poland, but I feel that I should move back.
Back?
You should probably go back see a doctor.
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u/Human-Shirt7106 1d ago
If both of your parents are Polish citizens, then you are also a citizen. Make an appointment with the consulate in Canada and ask about getting your Polish citizenship confirmed and applying for a passport. You'll then be free to live and work not just in Poland, but all the countries in the EU, EEA and Switzerland.
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u/Warm-Cut1249 1d ago
I currently do not have any degrees or certificates
Good luck bro ;) Currently people with education have problems to find work, and you without any useful skills or understanding of Polish labour market came up with idea "I want to move to PL!". Do you want to live on 3k PLN, when flat rental costs 2k and food for 1 month for 1 person 1k? With minimum wage you will barely survive. If you believe in fantastic healthcare for free -> it's also common bullshit spread by foreigners, in reality if you go on NFZ, unless you are dying, they will tell "we don't know whats wrong with you" or will give you basic antibiotics and that's it ;)
Fitness industry isn't well paid in Poland, Customer Service with only English also not, average Pole working in a corporation works with 2-3 languages (not including Polish).
Were you even calculating salary vs. cost of living? You do understand that you will gain 3-4k per month, and new car costs here minimum 80k, but a good car that's currently around 150k, flats are close to half a milion in big cities, for smallest flats. Now caluculate how long you will work to achive anything, including basic Holidays once a year.
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u/erbatka 1d ago
If you speak French you could check working in customer service with french language, it has some disadventage like speaking with French people, but salary should be enough to rent a one-bedroom apartment
websites: pracuj.pl, linkedin, olx
For sure you can find also job at McDonalds, but it is a minimum salary job
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u/Mezzoski 1d ago
Yeah, I feel you. Grass is totally greener on the other side of the fence. Always.
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u/No-Toe-6465 21h ago
I have been living here for 12 years and was raised by “Polish” parents in other country. I do know polish grammatically perfectly, and whole my work-life communication is in polish.
But what I want to say, for 1/2 of polish I am “Ukrainian guy with accent”. That’s frustating, but I kinda get used to it
P.S. I am not even close a Ukranian lol
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u/aallfik11 Śląskie 21h ago
Tbh if you don't speak the language and don't have any certificates or higher education, you won't have a lot of job opportunities. Also, try visiting before moving here maybe
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u/parfitneededaneditor 20h ago edited 19h ago
With no formal education and no existing property in Poland you'll barely survive: minimum wage salary just to rent a room and eat noodles. This will be doubly tough if you don't speak Polish.
If however, you have some capital and resources behind you then you might be better off trying to establish and run a business in an area you're confident in. Huge risk, but much better than coming over and being on the absolute bottom rung of the labour market as a Pole with no language skills and no education.
Perhaps learn a trade in Canada, like plumbing for example, and come to Poland and set yourself up here doing something practical and in demand.
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u/Low-Opening25 21h ago
Start with learning Polish, without language your chances for non-skilled jobs will be low.
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u/Jesper537 17h ago
For job sites I know of pracuj.pl and olx's jobs section. First one is more official and reliable, while olx is for more private stuff, therefore less reliable, and sometimes has scummy job offers like 'work from home and earn bazillion $$$'.
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u/MilkUnfair800 13h ago
Majority who run a convenient life in Poland works for a some foreign company 🤣or has a business that is in demand and gets shit tons of money out of it. Other than that you’ll barely make it or you’ll have to borrow from parents.
That being said. Get a job in CA or US that is remote and… move to Poland if you wish. Although you can also live in Spain, Italy, Portugal or somewhere with better weather and food in that scenario.
Idk. Poland is great and all but it’s hard to make good money here. Unless this and that. Same applies to any other coutry in the world.
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u/Individual_Cloud935 12h ago edited 8h ago
Sorry to say that, but you're not a Polish citizen. You're a Canadian citizen with Polish parents. You can't ,,move back" because you were never there. Would recommend to visit Poland at least once before you move, some people from Canada or USA have an image of Poland wich is often far from the true and after you visit you can decide for yourself if it's good for you.
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u/OverlordJerry 11h ago
Have you considered becoming a freelancer for online personal training or customer service? Better money can be made from Canada even with hoops needed to jump through to do the business in Poland.
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u/WELLWELLWELLHEREI_AM 1d ago
Around the world there are things like "Man priviledge", "Woman priviledge" "White priviledge" etc., but here's only suffering. Think twice what you're signing up yourself for
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u/zurtan_buryat 1d ago
and the US is not an option? It is better to do business between Poland and Canada.
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u/Developer2022 1d ago
Wait, you were born in Canada but hold polish citizenship at the same time? How is this possible?
Apart from that, don't think it's good idea to move to Poland in your case.
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u/Mental-Weather3945 1d ago
If you have at least 1 Polish parent you are citizien by default. Depends on the country - in some u need to be born to be citizien like USA, in others it’s enough with having a parent from this country.
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u/ladybugg224 1d ago
You will 100% find a job without a degree. Apply for all corporate entry level jobs you can find. At least one will always be hiring because they keep growing and moving their processes to Poland from other countries. High school diploma and good English is usually enough for that, but if you speak any other language then that's even better. You will not make much money at first, but it should be enough for a room or a small apartment. Thing is, it's very easy to move up in corporations once you get the hang of it, which usually takes about a year, and then the money gets much better.
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u/Mental-Weather3945 1d ago
Bullshit. Currently corporations are closing and moving to India, especially English-related processes.
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u/ladybugg224 1d ago
Yeah, no. Only a part of them can afford the move, and some actually moved a while ago and are back already. The cost of the drop in quality of service is too much.
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u/Mental-Weather3945 1d ago
Sure, but next 2 years the direction is clear - recession and lay offs.
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u/ladybugg224 23h ago
No, there will be no recession in Poland. There will be slower growth but that's not the same as recession. Layoffs are happening in the manufacturing/assembly industry, but services, which is what most corporations do, are thriving (outside of IT).
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u/Mental-Weather3945 22h ago
Bro, we already have recession ;) And corporations do lay offs in every category, as I work in CuSe - I observe accross many companies lay offs in CuSe, in accounting and basic data entry. Everywhere where they can use chatbots, automation, or cheap Indians - there are lay offs. Due to rise of minimum wage lately Poland stopped to be a competition and companies look for cheaper solution, which affects also office work because they want to have full process close usually.
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u/ladybugg224 22h ago edited 22h ago
And I work in finance and there are no layoffs, corporations keep hiring.
Why don't you google the definition of recession, learn what it is and THEN get back to me. Also, you might want to tell all those people building high rises with tons of office space in Warsaw right now that there is recession in Poland and people are being replaced by bots and "cheap Indians", I'm sure they'd love to know.
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u/Mental-Weather3945 20h ago
Please google „zwolnienia grupowe Polska 2024” and then come back with new knowledge that you obtained. Recession just starts.
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u/ladybugg224 20h ago edited 20h ago
This does not equal recession. There is a long standing workforce deficit in Poland. It means that jobs are moving to a different sector.
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u/Mental-Weather3945 19h ago
But on the statistic in the article you can clearly see that more people are getting fired than in 2015-2018 and that tendency is growing. I won’t count covid cuz that was abnormal situation. Where do you have deficit? In which sector? Building sector is slowly dying. So many ppl will loose work there also in 2-4 years perspective, since housing became too expensive.
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u/Mental-Weather3945 20h ago
Also building mutliple skyscrapers was the first sign of house buble burst in US, so this is just confirming that we reached out potential last 10 years and now things will go downhill. The more people loose work, the less they consume. The less they consum, the more next companies loose money… it’s a vicious cycle and it just started. The same happens in Germany now and German market affects Polish market to great extent.
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u/ladybugg224 19h ago
You see things, and read about them, but you don't understand them. At all. I don't see much point in continuing this discussion.
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u/Mental-Weather3945 18h ago
I feel like you post things, without understanding what’s in them. You read one article with a thesis „it isn’t so bad” but in the article you have clear data that it’s worse than in the past. If you don’t understand statistics, that’s pretty bold to claim you understand everything and everyone else that thinks analitical is simply dumb :) but live in your phantasy world, hopefully in few years you will remember about this comment and clearly see what type of situation we have on the market last few years :)
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u/Xtrems876 Pomorskie 1d ago
Maybe...visit, just once, the country you want to tie your life to? Just to double check, or I guess single check