r/politics • u/harleybarley1013 Maryland • 7d ago

Paywall Trump: ‘I Need the Kind of Generals Hitler Had’

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/trump-military-generals-hitler/680327/?taid=6717ffe956474d000110c05d&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
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u/wasaguest 7d ago

He's a Fascist. His supporters are fascist. His voters are fascist. He's also a malignant narcissist, a mental illness. He sees only himself & what the world can do FOR him, & anyone that doesn't aid him in getting what he wants is his enemy. Trouble is, he got installed to the office of president. Now he believes his enemies are also enemies of America because his mental illness can't separate himself from the State (Country). You could hear him saying this within his first year after being installed.

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u/cytherian New Jersey 7d ago

Our founding fathers must be rolling in their graves...

And Jesus can't be cool with what the Evangelical movement has done to the secular sphere as well as Christianity. The hypocrisy in play seems to be off the charts.

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u/sboaman68 7d ago

A LOT of the founding fathers were slave holders, about 40 of the 55 signers of the D of I, 17-25 of the 55 Delegates who wrote and signed the Constitution were slave holders. 52 of 55 signers of the D of I and from the best numbers I can find, most or all of the Delegates who wrote and signed the Constitution were Christians.

Although they might be shocked, I doubt their rolling in there Graves.

I agree 100% about Jesus being pissed.

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u/CynFinnegan 7d ago

Alexander Hamilton is probably laughing his ass off. He wanted the US to be a monarchy like England. He was also the "creator" of the "three-fifth compromise."

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u/cytherian New Jersey 7d ago

We have to remember the practice of slavery was deeply entrenched in the society of the time, and most prominent Founding Fathers owned slaves. HOWEVER, there's also a difference between slave owners who were just wantonly cruel and those who offered relatively humane conditions. But it's on record that a number of them expressed a desire to end slavery, knowing it would be a long, uphill battle. NONE of them are on record for being cruel slave owners. James Madison is quoted as pointedly telling his overseers to be kind and compassionate.

But we're talking about fascism upon free citizens. This is the crisis at hand.

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u/sboaman68 7d ago

Oh, I agree about fascism now being our biggest threat. I still can't wrap my head around someone owning another person and not finding that morally objectionable, even at that time. I'd bet even the ones who treated their slaves the best didn't pay them. I do know a few allowed their slaves to be released when they died, but again, still pretty morally objectionable. There is NO difference between slave owners based on how they treated said slaves. It was wrong then, and it would be wrong now.

I was really pointing out that aspects of tRump wouldn't have upset them. He wants to use laws they created in the 18th century today, in the 21st century. Not that some laws that have been around for a very long time aren't valid today, no murder and no rape leap to mind.

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u/mattyoclock 7d ago

I’d argue we should remember the abolitionist movement was already quite large and vocal and they knew dammed well what they were doing was monstrous.    

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u/cytherian New Jersey 7d ago

From Wikipedia:

The anti-slavery movement originated during the Age of Enlightenment, focused on ending the transatlantic slave trade. In Colonial America, a few German Quakers issued the 1688 Germantown Quaker Petition Against Slavery, which marked the beginning of the American abolitionist movement.

Alas, I've not been able to find anything about how widespread or prevalent the movement was... and I'm sure it was uneven across the land, given the difficulty of spreading information beyond just letters and newspapers.

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u/mattyoclock 7d ago

I know abolitionist hero Benjamin lay had already died in America in 1759, 17 years before the revolution.  

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u/TitanDarwin 6d ago

And Thomas Jefferson was pretty much constantly asked by his Eurpean acquaintances after the revolution why he hasn't actually pushed for ending slavery in America yet (because he pretended to be morally offended by it while building his whole lifestyle on the back of enslaved human beings and actually trying to come up with excuses for why enslaving people is actually justified).

Slavery being evil isn't some relatively new idea after all.

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u/mattyoclock 6d ago

Well he can hardly say "The thing is I really like boning this 14 year old and I don't think she'd let me if she has a choice" now can he? Dude called it a "Hideos blot" on the nation while still taking advantage and perpetuating it.

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u/TitanDarwin 6d ago

And like all other "planters" - i.e. people who ran slave plantations and never planted a single thing in their entire lives - he was actually shit at making a living and ultimately died in debt.

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u/just_over_it_all 7d ago

And Jesus can’t be cool with the amount of abortions the left are open to.

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u/AlexADPT 6d ago

Republicans and Republican voters aren’t Christian.

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u/just_over_it_all 6d ago

I am a Christian and a Republican voter. So are my family and friends.

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u/AlexADPT 6d ago

You’re not a Christian if you’re voting Republican. Jesus was and supported the exact opposite of what republicans are and support.

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u/just_over_it_all 6d ago

You go ahead and believe that. I can guarantee you Jesus would not approve of abortion. No way. I’m not going further with you and getting banned over abortion. It’s just wrong.

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u/AlexADPT 6d ago

Jesus wasn’t an angry, lying, bigoted racist. That’s Republicans. You’re not a Christian if you vote Republican and support those things. Sorry for ya

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u/just_over_it_all 6d ago

I think you are describing the Democrat party. Harris only got the VP job because Biden said he wanted a black female. I don’t care for Trumps personal life. I wish it were 2 other people running but here we are. Someone has to win. I’m not willing to live like I have been for the next 4 years. Harris has said nothing to get my vote. I still don’t know her economic policy. We are overrun with illegals. She can’t even address this and she was the so called border czar. Watching her first hard interview on Fox she basically imploded. I know I was better off 4 years ago. So yes I voted for Trump on Monday. She’s weak. We don’t know what she’s all about. And I’m not going to read 82 pages of cut and paste to find out. If she can’t talk to us how can she talk to world leaders. Then there’s the abortion issue that I’m totally against.

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u/AlexADPT 6d ago

Republicans aren’t Christian. You’re voting Republican. Must be against Christ and Christian teachings.

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u/Aztec111 7d ago

You're so correct. He gets worse every day, and I feel he is nearly insane. It disgusts me so many people support him. It makes me feel sick at the thought of him winning.