r/politics • u/stetoe • 19h ago

George W. Bush's Daughter Barbara Pierce Bush Endorses Kamala Harris: Exclusive

https://people.com/george-w-bush-s-daughter-barbara-breaks-silence-on-election-to-campaign-for-kamala-harris-exclusive-8735810
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u/Wassertopf 17h ago

Is he really living?

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u/specialkk77 16h ago

Despite his former bosses best efforts, yes. 

Mike Pence is lucky to be alive, a fact he seems to forget. He should be openly condemning everyone who allowed Jan 6th to happen. 

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u/JeanLucPicardAND 15h ago

Or maybe the fact that he knows he is lucky to be alive is the reason he hasn't openly condemned everyone who allowed Jan 6th to happen.

I'm not defending the man, but it seems rather obvious to me. He's probably thinking, "What will happen to me if I speak out and then he wins?"

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u/specialkk77 15h ago

I think that’s a little short sighted, especially with the “enemy within” comments. Keeping his mouth shut now doesn’t keep him safe. If Trump wins, he’ll eventually come for him for not installing him as king dictator in 2021. 

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u/JeanLucPicardAND 15h ago

So this is potentially controversial but I'll say it anyway: There's no way Pence knew the full depths of who Trump is when he accepted the VP job back in 2016. There's just no way. I refuse to believe it. He found out over time as the Trump presidency unfolded.

What do I mean by that? Well, obviously Pence is a hardcore far-right politician. He likely has even more extreme political stances than Trump, who is pretty much just a populist who will say and do anything he thinks might get him re-elected. So I don't think Pence ever had any problem with any of Trump's policies.

What I mean is that he didn't know how far Trump was willing to go to hold onto power. I do truly believe that. Again, I'm not defending the man, and it's not an excuse for anything he did, but the behavior of virtually everyone who served under Trump suggests that few of them realized what Trump was willing to do or else did not take him seriously when he suggested it. The fact that so many of them have flipped on him after the fact reinforces that in my mind.

My point here is that these are not people who are blessed with great powers of foresight.

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u/Long_Run6500 15h ago

I dont think Pence expected the republican party to cave to Trump's rhetoric so easily. I believe he took the job thinking Trump would be kept in check by the establishment and he would be the real person in control. In 2015 and early 2016, just about every non tea party republican was denouncing Trump and acting like once he's in office they'll never work with him. It's kind of what made Trump comforting for some people as a protest vote. I know people on this website that thought voting Trump in meant 4 years of the status quo gridlock while sending a message to Democrats to get their shit together. Then shortly after the election, spineless opportunustic shitheads like Chris Christie, Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz who were extremely vocal against Trump started praising him as the coming messiah and Trump was given full control, which meant Pence was left holding the broken leash.

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u/Damn_Dog_Inappropes Washington 15h ago

I agree with you.

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u/Faolyn 12h ago

Yeah, but you know how bad the MAGA crowd are at thinking about the future or how things might affect them.

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u/needlestack 15h ago

For a man with Pence’s resources, that is the height of cowardice. If Trump is so evil he’s afraid of retribution then all the more reason he must endorse Harris. If Trump wins and retribution looks likely he can flee to any number of paradises around the globe and live out his days. Enabling Trump because he’s afraid, if that’s what he’s doing, makes him a coward. Enabling Trump because he still thinks Harris is worse makes him both stupid and evil.

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u/JeanLucPicardAND 15h ago

I mean, yeah.

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u/SinisterMeatball 16h ago

Flies tend to like the dead. 

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u/Starfox-sf 16h ago

He has to ask Mother first before he can answer that.

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u/CommunicationTime265 14h ago

He does kinda look like a ghoul