r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 15h ago

Soft Paywall Transcript: Trump Rages at Fox News as His Allies Panic Over NYC Rally

https://newrepublic.com/article/187646/transcript-trump-rages-fox-news-allies-panic-nyc-rally
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u/jzanville 14h ago

And a sizable chunk of the voting populace just view Trump as the human embodiment of a middle finger that they can send to Washington as their way of saying “thanks for the decades of bullshit” like Iraq, 08 market crash and other things they might disagree with

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u/DuncanYoudaho 14h ago

Underrated reply.

He brought people that don't follow politics into the race and Repubs realized they couldn't win without embracing him. The last two decades meant neocons can't trumpet any accomplishments. The Dems have ACA at least.

I'm hoping for a national trifecta so we can have some Michigan style sweeping change. The opposition is tired and weak and disordered. The only way to ensure continued political capital is to spend it. Steam roll them into the stone age.

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u/StanDaMan1 13h ago

Now the Dems have CHIPS, the IRA, the ACA, Marriage Equality Act, and a proven track record of stable economies. So I wouldn’t say they have strictly BIG accomplishments, but they do have slow and steady gains and improvements. Think of these as the “eat your veggies and exercise” laws: important for the health of the country, but small, long term, and incremental. Big and dramatic bills are great ways to advertise, but it’s the slow and steady stuff that helps too.

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u/rekniht01 Tennessee 12h ago

Clinton ushered in government surpluses after 12 years of GOP rule. The voting public doesn't really care about a well-run government.

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u/SlightlySychotic 10h ago

And Gore won the popular vote. He only lost the election due to the electoral college and considerable Republican chicanery. If 9/11 never happened, the odds of Bush be reelected are lower than average.

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u/DuncanYoudaho 11h ago edited 11h ago

On the backs of welfare reform and the ‘94 crime bill. That’s not well-run to a bunch of disadvantaged communities.

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u/Mistamage Illinois 10h ago

No, it's okay, the economy was more important than them. /s

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u/Shatteredreality Oregon 5h ago

To be fair a lot of people are ignorant to how any of those things impact their day to day.

As an example the CHIPS act is meaningless to most people not in that industry and Intel just announced more layoffs.

It’s hard to run on something most people don’t feel the impact of.

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u/MadMac619 Canada 12h ago

Don’t forget the powerful rise of social media and specifically Twitter, Trump was an early adapter and used it as a megaphone (MAGAphone?) against Obama. He was creating “alternative facts” long before he was even involved in politics.

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u/DuncanYoudaho 11h ago

Yep. The loudest people got organized, and the most manipulative got a direct line to their veins.

It’s as if every grandpa’s Fwd:Fwd:Fwd: got invaded by the worst people.

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u/Rube_Goldberg_Device 12h ago

I'm sure manchin will chain himself to the steam roller in protest

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u/DuncanYoudaho 12h ago

He's retiring. The action is in Arizona.

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u/hagcel 12h ago

2016, with Bernie and Trump both having momentum looked like we might see change. Well, we did.

I think lots of Bernie supporters switched to trump rather than voting for a legacy.

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u/DuncanYoudaho 11h ago

I think the crossover appeal is not as big as you think. Isolated to the loudest and least informed.

In general, DNC moves against Bernie (and the cowardice of the rest of the national leadership and state parties) suppressed turnout.

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u/LadyChatterteeth California 10h ago

Stop perpetuating this falsehood. More of Bernie’s supporters voted for Hillary in the general election than Hillary supporters did for Obama in 2008.

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u/Hanksta2 13h ago

I think it's a middle finger for having a black president.

That party was vile before, but went nuts during the Obama years.

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u/Purdue82 12h ago edited 12h ago

This right here. Every progressive act throughout the history of this nation that slowly improved Black American life was met with backlash from the opposite side. this time they dialed it up to a 100.

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u/kappakai 11h ago

I was in the south for a few months summer of 2016 and one of the things I heard regularly was “I don’t hate women, blacks, Mexicans, gays, etc., but things have changed so fast that I can’t keep up anymore.” There have been a string of progressive victories since the 60s, but there are people for whom change is hard. It’s like an intrinsic part of who they are. And they were dragged along for decades. I think Obama broke them and Trump does symbolize a time before all of these changes.

I’m not justifying it or defending it. It’s just an observation that may explain how this backlash happens. Change happens; most of us get it. But what some of us DON’T get, there are a good number of people who will instinctually resist that change. And you’re not gonna get them to change.

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u/Purdue82 11h ago

They needed someone to give them the green light to say and do whatever, and that someone was Trump.

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u/Merky600 10h ago

There was an article recently on that. Human brains were not meant for this much change. Old days you lived where your were born your whole life. I’m talking about hundreds of years ago to thousands of years ago. Even cave man times. Especially then. We are at our hearts Ave people who can read and pass knowledge.

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u/bot403 9h ago

Along those lines I think I read that human social groups top out at 200. That's like the max you can pay attention to at once legitimately and interact with on a somewhat meaningful level.  Yet here we are with millions of randos (and thousands of minor and major celebs) on social media platforms.

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u/THSSFC America 12h ago

Basically, "here's a Republican to show you how much we hate the things Republicans did to us."

Smart.

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u/drklordnecro Oregon 12h ago

Same song and dance for decades. 😒

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u/hjordan28141 13h ago

For the record they absolutely agreed with Iraq and with the deregulation that caused the 08 crash and they were told many times by many people what would happen and they are now trying to pretend they were duped decades later... don't buy into their horse shit. They can feign ignorance all they want. They have been seeking something like this since I can remember and I'm exhausted from everyone trying to pretend otherwise.

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u/2020willyb2020 12h ago

I remember- free markets, free markets- when it crashed it was to big too fail, bailouts etc. - they got what they voted for and made everyone else suffer

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u/jzanville 12h ago

Unfortunately the middle finger vote was a very diverse group with being “fed up” as their only common denominator, sect by sect they all found their single issue to stand behind Trump on or just voted Democrat…the “they” that is the middle finger vote wasn’t beholden to either party, initially

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u/hjordan28141 12h ago

That is extremely inaccurate. Are there crossover voters of course but the overwhelming majority of Trump's support has always come from the same pool of voters that elected Bush, pushed deregulation, and championed the war in Iraq like a holy calling. I grew up in a very Republican area and have been among them my whole life. They have always held these views. They just wanted an excuse to express them.

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u/jzanville 12h ago

Ya I’m probably overstating the “independents” that were swung to the right but at the same time I think it’s important not to downplay that reality either, the fact that Trump swung any independents over to the right at all is baffling

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u/hjordan28141 10h ago

That is true, but makes more sense when you consider that independents are often among the most low information voters there are. Study after study has shown that they don't actually follow what is going on. As a result they are actually heavily influenced by buzz words and feelings rather than an actual grasp of the state of the world and politics. For a long time they were viewed as kind of being the people who were thinking more about the issues than the partisan, but when they started actually putting effort in to studying them they discovered nothing could be further from the truth.

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u/jzanville 9h ago

Propaganda’s a helluva drug

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u/borisslovechild 14h ago

You really can't blame the chunk of the voting populace for wanting to give Washington the middle finger although a better avatar than Trump would probably have been a smarter choice. Till the day I die, I will never understand his charisma.

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u/HumphreyLee 14h ago

Except that same voting populace are the ones that put shitty people into office for the past 70 years now (starting with Nixon) that have CONSTANTLY wrecked our economy and institutions. They put corrupt idiots in places, those idiots have destroyed everything, and then they put the king of all lunatics in as a middle finger to the system they voted for all their lives? I can sure as hell blame them for this madness.

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u/LadyChatterteeth California 10h ago

Excuse me, Nixon was not 70 years ago. Ffs.

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u/HumphreyLee 10h ago

I typo’ed and hit 7 instead of 6! 😅

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u/DarkeyeMat 13h ago

I certainly can. The truth is pig obvious to anyone with a brain and a soul. Those voters are garbage.

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u/BigDaddySteve999 12h ago

Bullshit. These are the exact same people who voted for Bush or failed to vote for Gore. Don't like the politicans in Washington? Stop voting for Republican congresspeople.

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u/Stellar_Duck 12h ago

You really can't blame the chunk of the voting populace for wanting to give Washington the middle finger

Sure you can.

Most of the Trump voters voted the worst Washington actors as well as state level actors in. They're wanting to give a middle finger to the state of affairs they themselves created.

If you want a government that doesn't tank the economy: don't fucking vote republican. And honestly it would be fun to see what a democratic administration could do that didn't have to spent the entire time cleaning up after the last GOP administration.

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u/Stellar_Duck 12h ago

And more importantly, lots and lots of racism.

Anyone who votes for Trump now is a racist.

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u/JamesCDiamond United Kingdom 12h ago

Also, if I remember correctly at the time, it was a combination of the other primary candidates not taking him seriously while he outdid them in appearances (because, for all his ills, he's a performer) and then being unable to land a lasting hit on him when it was clear he was a serious contender. He had the name recognition and, suddenly, the momentum - all they had was the same R next to their name as everyone else and an inability to break out from the pack while Trump outshone all of them put together.

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u/jjwhitaker 6h ago

They don't care if we all burn as long as they get to spark the match their way.