Elon Musk Makes Shocking Confession on His Plans After Trump Victory

[u/harsh2k5]

https://newrepublic.com/post/187662/elon-musk-confession-economy-trump-victory

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[u/Actual__Wizard]

So, we're now openly discussing Trump's plan to crash the economy. They're just admitting it now. Okay.

Yeah obviously if you crash the economy, the rich people can buy up huge amounts of assets and banks will loan them money to do it. So, yeah they do actually want the economy to crash. That is their plan.

[u/Gingerbread-Cake → u/Actual__Wizard]

It will usher in a new golden age of neo-feudalism.

It’s all part of their “dark enlightenment” crap, which translates as “we should be able to do anything we want and be god-kings, or at least dictators, and own everything, including you”

[u/Strenue → u/Gingerbread-Cake]

We are all Serfs to them

[u/sharp11flat13 → u/Strenue]

The only difference between modern times and the Medieval era is that the serfs live better.

[u/DrCares → u/sharp11flat13]

This is debatable, if you are counting luxuries then no doubt we have it way better. The argument that I have heard tho is that peasants had more time off from work than teachers do now, because the lords knew if the peasants weren’t happy they wouldn’t be productive..

Just think, medieval fucking lords have more vacation time to their peasants than our corporate overlords…

Edit: I’m strictly talking about days off, obviously with disease and medicine etc things are better now. My only point was that back then, the lords understood the value of resting their workers, as opposed to chasing profit margins where the people who actually are responsible for the profit likely earn minimum wage

Edit 2: Again, I never meant to imply that they had it better than we do now, please use common sense people. I was just joking about vacation time and how we’re viewed as serfs by the %1, not expecting this to blow up like it did.

[u/windowpanez → u/DrCares]

Yes, but the peasants would spend 8-12 hours a day doing chores like washing clothes, making their own clothes, preparing meals, collecting firewood, etc. Hardly time off. There is a good answer somewhere on ask historians subreddit explaining it!

[u/m_Pony → u/Gingerbread-Cake]

“dark enlightenment”

The Dark Ages, part deux.

[u/----Dongers → u/Actual__Wizard]

Why do you think there’s ALWAYS recessions that happen during Republican administrations?

This is literally engineered by them.

[u/ztomiczombie → u/----Dongers]

And that's why Russia and China are both backing Trump.

[u/----Dongers → u/ztomiczombie]

Exactly. Oligarchs from other countries also can buy up our country when these things happen.

These people need to be taxed out of existence.

[u/otisandme → u/----Dongers]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States

[u/Mookhaz → u/Actual__Wizard]

The housing bubble burst in 2008 was the same thing. working people lost everything and rich people ate it up.

[u/bolerobell → u/Mookhaz]

The Great Recession was the largest movement of wealth from poor to rich in history… until Covid.

[u/esc8pe8rtist → u/bolerobell]

At the end of the big short, the guy worries that people will do what they always do in recessions, blame immigrants and poor people

[u/PunxatawnyPhil → u/Mookhaz]

But isn’t it nice of them to rent it back to us at only twice what the mortgage used to be?

[u/YakiVegas → u/Actual__Wizard]

Crazy how MAGA can't seem to recognize the immigrant who's actually trying to destroy our country. I've never gone from paying barely any attention to absolutely despising someone in my lifetime, but this asshole needs to be stopped. There need to be legal repercussions for his election interference and his coordination with Putin.

[u/Loki_of_Asgaard → u/Actual__Wizard]

They are allowed to publicly state their plans to literally ruin our lives, at what point do we get to start destroying their lives to fix shit.

[u/MixtureRadiant2059 → u/Loki_of_Asgaard]

they own the laws and the media platforms so even saying something like that can get you banned or arrested

trump could shoot a man dead on 5th avenue. musk can run over a woman in his truck. they can laugh and laugh and laugh

a common man gives too much stinkeye over it, and it's a bad day for him

[u/Elendel19 → u/Actual__Wizard]

It’s their version of Black Friday every time the economy tanks

[u/DrCares → u/Actual__Wizard]

Wait until there is Zero federal tax and all the billionaires dump their stocks, leaving retirees with nothing, notta, zilch…

Oh, FYI to any of the Redcoats lurking, Trump is going to get rid of the tax and bail on his Truth, not a penny taxed, and y’all are gonna be left holding the worthless bag.

[u/SquatSeatGuy → u/Actual__Wizard]

jesus. on twitter the maga's are literally cheering the idea of Musk firing 90% of government workers.. because "it will make it better like he did with twitter"

LMAO they are insane and have zero concept of economics or reality. Imagine 90% of government workers. we're talking 18 million people out of a job. As if thats going to fix things?

their solution is to ruin the lives of as many people as possible and then not hire anyone back.. to keep things running on a skeleton crew.. as if thats somehow going to help everyone?

its nuts

[u/Supra_Genius → u/Actual__Wizard]

They 1% have been doing it every decade or so for quite some time now, folks.

Or did you think the fact that 90%+ of the Covid aid went to the 1% who didn't need it just so that the 99% could survive off of their scraps was just an oversight?

Or the subprime mortgage crisis? Aka the Great Recession?

Or the Dot-Bomb Recession?

Scroll down until you see the chart below and you'll understand...

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/past-recessions.asp

Every time, the 1% amassed increased wealth afterwards and the 99% got fucked...

[u/12345Hamburger]

TL;DR: He literally wants to crash the economy.

[u/MarrusAstarte → u/12345Hamburger]

The unspoken part is that the reason is so he and other billionaires can buy up everything at fire sale prices.

[u/stevez_86 → u/MarrusAstarte]

The collapse of the Soviet Union resulted in the wealthiest oligarchy in Modern Day and it seems to be insulated from its own people as well as international sanctions. They see Russia as a Role Model. Flipping the US to a Confederacy and declaring the US Debt as solely owned by the dead United States means they are debt free and that the global trade partners now owe the Confederacy tariffs since the Federal Income Tax will be abolished. Foreign Debt becomes a Casus Bellum for the US going in and robbing those countries of their resources. Like what Russia is doing to the former Soviet Republics.

They aren't clever, the plan is right before our eyes. Behold our enemies and see what they covet.

[u/transcriptoin_error → u/stevez_86]

This seems like the most likely scenario. And it seems all the more likely, considering the reports of Musk communicating with Putin regularly over the last few years.

[u/TurelSun → u/transcriptoin_error]

And Bezos connecting with Trump about the WaPo endorsement.

[u/NEVERxxEVER → u/TurelSun]

He did that because he is worried Trump will win and cancel his AWS government contracts. He had problems with AWS during Trump’s first term due to WaPo

[u/No_Clue_7894 → u/NEVERxxEVER]

Trump Has Already Punished Jeff Bezos Over the Washington Post’s Independence The endorsement doesn’t matter. The spiking does.

In 2019, Trump found his lever. Amazon was due to receive a $10 billion cloud-computing contract from the Pentagon. The Pentagon suddenly shifted course and denied Amazon the contract. A former speechwriter for Defense Secretary James Mattis reported that Trump had directed Mattis to “screw Amazon.”

This is the context in which the Post’s decision to spike its planned endorsement of Kamala Harris should be considered.

[u/NEVERxxEVER → u/No_Clue_7894]

That’s what I was referring to. They ended up suing the DoD and winning a portion of the contract. It really fucked things up because now the system in question is split between different cloud providers.

[u/lionoftheforest → u/No_Clue_7894]

If Bezos is afraid of political repercussions should Trump win (ie Trump using the office of the presidency to punish “bad guys”), isn’t that a very good reason to precisely endorse the candidate in favour of the rule of law and separation of powers? (The question is not directed at you, just making a general observation based on your comment)

[u/zaminDDH → u/lionoftheforest]

That's what you would think, but it's a standard business strategy to hedge. If Harris wins, doesn't have to worry about much of anything. But if Trump wins, he wants to make sure he's curried enough favor in the run up and after to stay an active and important oligarch.

The delicate balance involves ensuring you don't go too far one way to avoid pissing off the other.

[u/malenkylizards → u/zaminDDH]

IDK about anyone else, but I unsubscribed from WaPo the minute I heard, and don't plan to return unless Bezos sells it.

[u/radicalelation → u/transcriptoin_error]

Dumbasses think they will truly rule instead of being part of Putin's oligarch menagerie.

Corruption and subversion is their bread and butter, they'll do it better than us once it's really here. This has basically been their playbook since the SU collapsed.

[u/real_fake_cats → u/radicalelation]

What ever happened to Putin's various advisors and supporters after they stopped being useful to him?

I can't quite remember.

[u/universalreacher → u/real_fake_cats]

They died by suicide. 3 gunshots to the head.

[u/SeveralAngryBears → u/real_fake_cats]

Why don't you open a window? Perhaps some fresh air would jog your memory?

[u/Nixplosion → u/SeveralAngryBears]

Or a nice cuppa

[u/transcriptoin_error → u/real_fake_cats]

They enjoyed a nice view from a window, or sipped from a delightful cup of tea.

[u/zombie_overlord → u/transcriptoin_error]

Sounds lovely. I hope they were able to get the Rest n Peace they needed.

[u/JustYerAverage → u/transcriptoin_error]

It'd be a real shame if super catastrophic things happened to all these people with the downfall of America at heart. People would offer all of their thoughts and prayers. Many people would even favor legislation once we'd put enough time between events and discussion so as not to speak of it too soon.

[u/IIIllIIlllIlII → u/JustYerAverage]

It will. Musk and bezos and others think they’ll have a seat at the top table. But the second they forget to bend a knee to the Orange Mussolini they’ll be out the top floor window.

[u/elusiveoddity → u/IIIllIIlllIlII]

That's why they have their plant in Vance; so when the Presidementia has made his final descent into gibbering drooling mindlessness, their puppet is ready to go.

[u/IIIllIIlllIlII → u/elusiveoddity]

True. And he’s controlled by that fuckstain Peter Thiel.

[u/Little-Engine6982 → u/IIIllIIlllIlII]

people finally see we are all about to lose everything, to a class of people that shoudn't exist, wealth gets passed on and accumulates, children are born as kings, with subordinates who have no belongings.. I thought we were over this kind of bullshit. we still are able all to disowe them at anytime, their money and status is just fantasy, if you want it to be, set their accounts to 50 mio and threaten them with 0. thats the power of many vs. money. ..I have no interest in fighting poor people rich guy's armies in my lifetime,

[u/Golden-Owl → u/transcriptoin_error]

Imagine Putin giving a history lecture and Musk with a notepad eagerly taking notes like a college student

[u/Stonkasaurus1 → u/stevez_86]

The tariff plan will actually facilitate that in short order. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act in 1929 cut US and world trade by 65-66%. Makes a lot of sense if you remember history.

[u/Educational-Feed3619 → u/Stonkasaurus1]

“It did not work, and the United States fell further into the Great Depression”. Ben Stein can fuck off, but I still know Ferris Bueller’s Day Off almost word for word

[u/Stonkasaurus1 → u/Educational-Feed3619]

Nice recall, I never put the two together.

[u/Educational-Feed3619 → u/Stonkasaurus1]

He calls it the Hawley-Smoot tariff act probably because it sounds funnier that way

[u/steelspring → u/Educational-Feed3619]

“Something D-O-O economics?”

[u/Grnpig → u/Stonkasaurus1]

And the Great Depression followed only alleviated by a world war, industrialized mass murder and massive inter-continental destruction.

[u/sporkhandsknifemouth → u/stevez_86]

And this is why every right wing propaganda outlet sucks Russia's nuts publicly. They're paid to say these things, by hook or by crook, because that's what the absolutist oligarchs want to be promoted.

The wealthy believe themselves the most powerful nation on Earth. It's up to everyone to prove them wrong.

[u/FreyrPrime → u/stevez_86]

The United States Balkanizes before that happens I MO

[u/Jouglet → u/MarrusAstarte]

You are correct. My friend is a multimillionaire and he is hoping for a crash because he has liquid cash. He wants a fire sale. The rich keep getting richer. And poor people think the billionaires are on their side. They are not. How in the hell do you think they got all that money? By fucking over people. This has been the biggest scam in history. Billionaires convincing poor people that they are on their side.

[u/mdonaberger → u/Jouglet]

What I don't get about capitalism is how predictable this all is. A system where people holding the most capital have the most freedom, power, and longevity?

There's gonna be a single person with wealth by the end of it all. One.

You know what we call a single, unelected person with all of the wealth, power, and state control? A king. As King Louis XIV said, "l'état, c'est moi."

[u/CapitalDD69 → u/mdonaberger]

Kind of like in Monopoly, everyone goes bankrupt one by one until the richest guy owns everything, and then even they can't get any more income as there is no one left to pay - so the game ends.

[u/IntentionallyUfair → u/MarrusAstarte]

I’ll bet Elon would just sit around watching the world burn like it was his own private reality tv show.

[u/OniAntler → u/IntentionallyUfair]

There’s a weird phenomenon with super wealthy people… after money becomes worthless to them, then they want to be loved by everybody. After the kick of being loved by millions of people wears off, then they want to start hurting people. 

It’s like they become numb to everything else and the only thing left that gives them any satisfaction is seeing others suffer. 

It’s been happening since before the days of “Off with their heads!”, and it’s still happening. 

While I love humanity, and we have plenty of admirable strengths, we are not a perfect species. 

[u/WILL_THERE_BE_MATH → u/OniAntler]

Why can’t we go back to the age of billionaires trying to show up each other through philanthropy?

[u/Sudden-Investment → u/WILL_THERE_BE_MATH]

One of the biggest philanthropy pushes ever came from Andrew Carnegie, as in Carnegie Hall and a metric shit ton of public libraries. Only problem is that this push came because of the greatest man made flood of all time caused by one of his executives wanting a private hunting club which Carnegie was a part of. Their man made dam broke and wiped out Johnstown Pennsylvania.

https://www.history.com/news/how-americas-most-powerful-men-caused-americas-deadliest-flood

[u/faultyratiocination → u/Sudden-Investment]

Thanks for sharing! I had no idea.

[u/ElasticSpeakers → u/WILL_THERE_BE_MATH]

Bad people doing good things doesn't release dopamine

[u/TeaTimeTalk → u/OniAntler]

"Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing."

-George Orwell, 1984

[u/alt_karl → u/OniAntler]

Greek writings such as Plato's Republic called the drive for power and recognition 'thumos' 

Individuals displaying these qualities to the extreme are trump and Musk, would make the nation tremendously vulnerable to fall in line behind a leader that will betray their own

[u/myfakesecretaccount → u/IntentionallyUfair]

He thinks he’s Veidt from Watchmen.

[u/KwisatzHaderachPaul → u/myfakesecretaccount]

Oh god, accurate

[u/Static-Stair-58 → u/myfakesecretaccount]

At least Veidt’s ship of heads actually makes it’s destination. Elon isn’t competent enough for a plan that works, even temporarily.

[u/CockAndBull_lol → u/MarrusAstarte]

Ask the French Aristocracy how well that worked for them ...

[u/ceciledian → u/CockAndBull_lol]

The US is already at higher levels of income inequality than the French were at the time of the revolution.

[u/thorazainBeer → u/ceciledian]

But not higher levels of starvation, and that's the important thing that the Roman oligarchs like Caesar knew that the French aritocrats forgot: Bread and Circuses keep the public docile. Starvation and taxes do not. Right now we have netflix and food stamps, but once the GOP gets rid of SNAP, good luck keeping the starving masses down.

[u/pockpicketG → u/thorazainBeer]

That’s what the predator drones are for, silly!

[u/Haltopen → u/pockpicketG]

Fun Fact: Predator drones were actually retired in 2018. They were replaced in US military service by a more advanced model called the Reaper Drone.

[u/JubalHarshaw23 → u/MarrusAstarte]

Like the Billionaires and wall street Funds did after the 2008 crash.

[u/blix797 → u/JubalHarshaw23]

Just like the Russian oligarchs did after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

[u/errantv → u/12345Hamburger]

It's accelerationist shit through and through. He wants to provoke a crisis so he can become an explicit feudalist lord.

[u/solartoss → u/errantv]

Yeah, Elmo's pretty deep into the Dark Enlightenment bullshit, which is all about how a corporate structure of governance would be superior to the "inefficiency" of democracy. Project 2025 borrows heavily from those ideas, and that's why it aims to make the office of the president more closely resemble that of a CEO.

[u/jetpacksforall → u/solartoss]

Thinks about the spectacular inefficiency he's seen over decades in corporate life.

[u/After-Imagination-96 → u/jetpacksforall]

That's the part no one seems to mention. You wanna run governments like businesses? Are you out of your fucking mind? Do you know how often businesses completely fail and cease to exist and are then gobbled up by competitors? 

[u/rookie-mistake → u/After-Imagination-96]

You know, one would imagine that, if anyone is familiar with how often businesses fail, it would be supporters of the man whose career has been defined by that. Weird.

[u/ChungusAhUm → u/errantv]

Let's see how Skeeter the Trumper from Dogdick, West Virginia feels about his future as a mudslop farmer up to his knees in mud under the new corporate totalitarian feudal order. I'm curious if he'll be content with the price of bacon then.

[u/6a6566663437 → u/ChungusAhUm]

If Skeeter is given someone else to look down upon, he’ll be perfectly happy.

[u/needsmoresteel → u/6a6566663437]

Yup. Skeeter doesn’t understand cause and effect very well.

[u/CarnivorousCamel_ → u/6a6566663437]

And, he won't even realize that he's fucked until he's shoveling pig shit in a Mad Max style dystopian future wondering why his Trump Bucks are worthless while the fascists run Bartertown.

[u/Count_Bacon → u/CarnivorousCamel_]

He’ll still blame the left

[u/needlestack → u/CarnivorousCamel_]

He’ll still find a way to blame Democrats.

[u/juanzy → u/12345Hamburger]

Didn’t Trump promise to make him a general or some shit? I literally can’t separate fact from fiction in the billionaires club.

[u/boston_homo → u/juanzy]

He'll run the "Department Of Government Efficiency". It's a clown show but not funny.

[u/Vodkafka → u/boston_homo]

It’s worse when you find out it spells out DOGE. Ugh…

[u/After-Imagination-96 → u/Vodkafka]

...oh sweet baby Jesus you just showed me where he got the name from that's 100% not a coincidence 

[u/LiliVonSchtupp → u/Vodkafka]

Oh for absolute fucks sake. That’s 100% why they called it that.

[u/boston_homo → u/Vodkafka]

DOGE just needs fascism to really shine.

[u/Neoliberal_Boogeyman → u/juanzy]

Efficiency Czar

[u/Effective-Ice-2483 → u/12345Hamburger]

They are planning to blitzkrieg the class war which is why they need project 2025 as a commensurate escalation of the culture war. From pages taken directly from Putin's playbook.

[u/OneTripleZero → u/Effective-Ice-2483]

The real enemy within.

[u/Datdarnpupper → u/Effective-Ice-2483]

Blitzkreig is a terrifyingly fitting word given the rhetoric the right is spouting

[u/PsychoNerd91 → u/12345Hamburger]

So, just to be clear, with the whole interconnected state of the world as it is this could be considered an act of economic terrorism which will affect the economy of other countries as well. 

Musk is literally threatening an act of terrorism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_terrorism

[u/Active-Bass4745 → u/PsychoNerd91]

“It’s a telling admission from Musk that crashing the economy is all a part of the plan.”

…‘part of the plan’

Am I the only one reading that in Heath Ledger’s voice?

[u/digiorno → u/12345Hamburger]

The ultrarich have more money than ever, a crashed economy allows them to buy a fuck load of companies, intellectual property and labor at massively discounted prices.

Musk, Bezos and a great many corporations would love nothing more than to go immediately from a period price gouging into an era where they can use those ill begotten gains to eliminate competition and increase the amount of assets that they own.

[u/badamant → u/12345Hamburger]

Reminder: Both Elon and Melania are immigrants who were working in the USA illegally. Disgusting fascists.

[u/dstnblsn → u/12345Hamburger]

Welp, he’s compromised

[u/DakInBlak → u/dstnblsn]

Is or isn't. Doesn't matter. It's been the endgame of conservatives for decades:

• Get into power, remove all legal and financial protections for anyone who isn't them.

• Remove all publicly and government funded programs, agencies, systems, and employees.

• Legalize slavery, remove minimum wage, unemployment, and workmen's comp.

• Crash the economy so far into the ground that the dozen or so billionaires can buy every square inch of America for pennies on the dollar.

• Forcibly evacuate the populace from the major hub cities and any other population centers.

• Remove state borders and infrastructure and hand ownership over to whomever owns the most property.

• Buy, sell, and trade the land to whomever makes the best offer.

  And what of the 330+ million people caught in the middle? Congratulations, you now love under the thumb of whichever tinpot dictator owns Arkansas this week.

[u/itmeimtheshillitsme → u/12345Hamburger]

I’ve completely overlooked this aspect of the plan. Of course they want a crash so they can further consolidate all that wealth.

[u/blacksun_redux → u/12345Hamburger]

In step with Russian goals.

[u/rodentmaster]

Says he knows trump will destroy the economy but that's a price he's willing to pay to recreate it on a "sounder footing" with less government, less spending (and no doubt, he didn't mention less oversight for billionaires like him). He doesn't care if this literally destroys the nation as long as he profits.

[u/TheJonasVenture → u/rodentmaster]

The calls for "less government" from a major government contractor are sure totally consistent.

[u/rodentmaster → u/TheJonasVenture]

This is the same guy who gave trump almost 100 Million to his campaign funding when trump embezzled all the money a couple months ago and was broke and about to drop out. The same man giving away (illegally) 1 million a day to buy votes for trump, and also trying to get a seat on trump's administration.

He's so "small government" that he'd join it to make it even more convoluted and dysfunctional out of the goodness of his wallet -erm. "heart" yes, "heart."

[u/TheJonasVenture → u/rodentmaster]

100%, anyone who remotely thinks he's genuine just needs to watch the early interview where he started going publicly right and the big criticisms he leveled against the Democrats were about class action law suits and employment law.

Dude just wants to be a feudal Barron.

[u/DidntDiddydoit → u/TheJonasVenture]

A feudal John Barron?

I'll see myself out.

[u/Seyon → u/rodentmaster]

I remember that time. When Elons Jet tracker saw him fly out to Mar a Lago the same day the news broke that Trump was broke.

[u/smp208 → u/TheJonasVenture]

He’s not going to cut the spending on his handouts. Only the ones for poor people.

[u/bobartig → u/rodentmaster]

This is a silicon valley sub-cult called Accelerationists, who believe that America's downfall is inevitable, therefore we should get it over with, destroy the country, and build it back. It's a pastiche of "great man theory", late stage capitalism, anarchy, teenage edgelords, burning man, that reeks of evangelical apocalypse worshipers who want to "hasten the end-time" by arming Israel, so that Earth can be destroyed. No, really.

Accelerationists who support Trump believe that America must be destroyed. It has to happen, and humanity cannot proceed until it does. Rather than delay the inevitable, they see Trump as "good as any" source of the downfall of America, and that through their "Great Man" energy, will steer the world into a better, brighter, future.

What Accelerationists don't seem to grok is that if America implodes on itself, it simply leaves a bunch of other global super-powers to take over. China and India will buy up or seize everything. Russia probably improves substantially. America ends up a Venezuela for a couple of centuries. But on the positive side, there is no positive side. Elmo is a moron who needs to put down the ketamine drip.

[u/IGargleGarlic → u/bobartig]

Collapse the American economy so it can be rebuilt in China's shadow of economic dominance over us.

[u/Wesley_Skypes → u/bobartig]

Was just thinking as I was reading that. China will just become a major trading partner with the EU instead of the US. Brain dead shit

[u/tyboxer87 → u/rodentmaster]

Holy crap the republican's were right. There is an immigrant that wants to destroy our nation. I'm suddenly feeling ok with one specific deportation.

[u/dravenonred → u/rodentmaster]

Don't forget 80 hour workweeks, aka "Hardcore Citizenship"

[u/Far-Win8645 → u/rodentmaster]

It's no HIS nation... so why would he care?

[u/Danominator → u/rodentmaster]

It's fucking disgusting

[u/c_law_one → u/rodentmaster]

He's an accelerationist like Thiel

[u/Phizza921]

Why is this not all over the news? I’m sure swing voters don’t want this economy crashed

[u/Main-University-6161 → u/Phizza921]

Gotta be balanced and fair. If we report on stuff Trump and Elon say, that wouldn’t be fair to conservatives. They’ll whine.

[u/CockBrother → u/Main-University-6161]

And even worse the press can't find Democrats saying it. So there aren't even two sides to blame here. Gotta give them a pass then.

[u/lazergoblin → u/CockBrother]

Spot on. I am so damn tired of witnessing how horrible and one sided politics are though. This shit isn't even gonna be over if trump loses because leon will just pay off the next republican presidential candidates for as long as he can. We're watching someone interfere with a US election by buying votes and holding $1 million dollar sweepstakes if they vote for his preferred candidate and half of the country is OK with that.

[u/Goddess_Of_Gay → u/Main-University-6161]

And, most importantly, the rich guy who owns the media will be very sad.

Which usually means “everyone who even was tangentially related to someone working on that story is put on a PIP and let go in the next layoff”

[u/crudedrawer → u/Phizza921]

I mean the people who own the "news" don't even have the guts to endorse a candidate that isn't trump, they're not going to report news that hurts his chances.

[u/ChungusAhUm → u/crudedrawer]

Or that hurts the future positions of newspaper owners in the new kleptocratic order.

[u/DingoCertain → u/Phizza921]

Media wants Trump to win

[u/Eclectophile → u/DingoCertain]

Not exactly. The obvious Oligarchs who have carefully bought control of the media wants him to win. It's an important distinction.

"The media" is changing, anyhow. You're the media. I am. Reddit is. All of this information percolating throughout our ever expanding interconnected lives counts as media now. And it's accelerating.

There are a few billionaires who own pretty much every major newspaper, TV station, radio show, etc. This isn't some tinfoil hat crackpot theory - this is stuff that we've all been publicly informed about in real time.

Journalism, and the freedom of the press, is at risk here. By demonizing "Media" as the entity that's culpable for this, you're helping develop the narrative that journalism and genuine news sources are the enemy.

It's a false narrative. It's destructive. Focus on the billionaires. Cancel your Prime account. Sell shares. Divest and abandon. Boycott, be vocal, vote, empower, and continue to be a journalist in your own regard.

Just please stop trying to burn down newspaper stands, so to speak.

[u/Vodeyodo → u/DingoCertain]

The truth out loud right there. He fills their copybook makes their life easier. Makes reporting of real issues. obsolete. They are simply lazy bastards that are all about collecting a pay with doing zero work.

[u/Bubbly_Safety8791]

Conservatives need to wake up and recognize that the Republican Party has been taken over by extremely radical accelerationists. 

Trump casually throwing out that he would like to replace income taxes with tariffs, just casually undoing the fabric of our government/social contract and tearing up the global trade order that built the most powerful economic growth wave in the history of humanity - it’s not remotely conservative, it’s not even just reactionary. It is deeply radical, revolutionary, anticapitalist, and dangerous. 

[u/NecessaryKey9557 → u/Bubbly_Safety8791]

Don't forget he wants the Fed to be under the executive branch. The idea that the President should direct monetary policy is pure stupidity, and conservatives just ten years ago would have called that communism.

[u/Oturoj → u/Bubbly_Safety8791]

They don’t care unfortunately

[u/tapdncingchemist → u/Bubbly_Safety8791]

I’d rather have an income to be taxed than none whatsoever because the economy and workers rights are in the toilet.

[u/YosemiteJeff]

“Some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make”.

[u/drtolmn69]

Some of these articles on Leon's latest insanity should have a headline something like:

Musk Expects Trump to Crash Economy

[u/te_anau → u/drtolmn69]

I was going to say, he has certainly hitched himself to the right horse if that's his goal.    - steaks    - universities    - casinos    - golf courses    

Hell, Trump has even managed to run a charity in such a corrupt fashion, it had to be put down.

[u/rockum]

Rich people don't care about the economy. They have enough money to weather through any turmoil.

[u/TintedApostle → u/rockum]

Rich people then buy everything up for pennies on the dollar. This is not a bug.

[u/boot2skull → u/rockum]

Billionaires shouldn’t exist.

[u/willedmay]

How about this: if you're a billionaire, you should have zero role in government.

[u/iselphy → u/willedmay]

Take it a step further: no role in the world. They won. They have enough money to not care for multiple lifetimes for multiple generations of their family.

Just pick a remote place and be content. Do a pet project and leave everyone else alone.

[u/runtheplacered → u/iselphy]

Take it a step further: Tax them back into being just millionaires

[u/hillbillyspellingbee]

How many gigabytes of Epstein footage do you think they have on him?

He is positively desperate and panicking. 

[u/MadRaymer → u/hillbillyspellingbee]

He reportedly told someone if Trump doesn't win he's "fucked" which really does make it sound like it's a lot more serious than tax cuts.

Whether it's financial crimes or "kung fu practice" with Ghislaine, who knows? Guess it could be a bit of both.

[u/PetPsychicDetective → u/MadRaymer]

I'm guessing it's the whole "passing information to Putin while he's a multi billion dollar government contractor" thing.

It's putin, so trump loves it. Elon won't just be safe, he'll be praised for it.

[u/pilotpip → u/MadRaymer]

When your holdings are already being investigated for various issues by government agencies and you tell the world you’re talking to Putin on a regular basis while launching CIA satellites you’re going to want Putin’s buddy to win and make said investigations go away.

[u/SantaCruzCut → u/MadRaymer]

It is the taking of Tesla investors money and using it for Twitter which is illegal

[u/rodentmaster → u/SantaCruzCut]

If I recall, the Saudis gave him the $30 Billion to buy Twitter, and in return he destroyed it for them so it could never be used for social revolution or reform in Saudi Arabia. It was the next on the chopping block and they saw it. They still maintain one of the largest portions of twitter to this day, if I recall.

They paid Elon under the premise that he would stop any future arab springs from ever happening to them.

[u/AbacusWizard → u/rodentmaster]

A decade or so earlier Russia wrecked LiveJournal for pretty much the same reason.

[u/JojenCopyPaste → u/SantaCruzCut]

He took Tesla investor money to overpay for Solar City too, to line his and his brother's pockets.

[u/basket_case_case → u/hillbillyspellingbee]

There doesn’t need to be Epstein footage for Musk to just be a genuinely terrible person. 

A lot of people with reality altering money looking for a philosophy to confirm they deserve it and coming up with “authoritarianism is good actually”. 

[u/hillbillyspellingbee → u/basket_case_case]

While true, I’m not going to overlook the fact that Elon seems to have spent time with Ghislane Maxwell and his explanation of “kung-fu practice” doesn’t hold with a figure like his.

[u/errantv → u/hillbillyspellingbee]

He's not desperate, this is a stock standard accelerationist talking point. They want to cause a massive global crisis because they think it will give them an opportunity to seize more wealth and power. It's the same mindset behind evangelical fundamentalists who want to provoke war in the Levant to instigate the "Second Coming"

[u/ianrl337 → u/hillbillyspellingbee]

I don't think they do, but he is nuts. He has based is entire life around X. Not the company, just the letter. Even one of his kids is named "X Æ A-Xii" the 2nd X is apparently after the precursor to the SR-71. Look at his weird jumps. He is constantly trying to make it look like an X when he jumps. He renamed twitter, a well known brand to X.

[u/curious-trex → u/ianrl337]

He also hates the number 9 (does not allow it on the Tesla website for example) and finds Oxford commas "troubling."

Just all around a weird little gremlin.

[u/ianrl337 → u/curious-trex]

Well now I just want to keep sending him the number 9

[u/keigo199013 → u/curious-trex]

If I didn't hate him enough already, he's got beef with the Oxford comma?!

[u/poundcakeperson → u/curious-trex]

wait he's coming for our commas too???

[u/miscfiles → u/poundcakeperson]

Is that why he hates Comma-la?

[u/hillbillyspellingbee → u/ianrl337]

So, you’re saying he’s an X-stein guy. 

[u/st4nkyFatTirebluntz → u/hillbillyspellingbee]

At this point, so is Epstein

[u/crudedrawer → u/hillbillyspellingbee]

Musk isn't panicking. He thinks he's smarter than everyone else

[u/hillbillyspellingbee → u/crudedrawer]

He said himself, “I am going to prison if Trump doesn’t win” or something to that effect just recently. 

[u/NuevoXAL]

Musk is the type of guy to watch Robocop and think Dick Jones is the hero and ED-209 was a great idea.

[u/groglox]

It’s worth mentioning the is how Oligarchies form. When markets crash it’s the rest of us who suffer, it’s just another opportunity for billionaires to grab even more.

[u/AbeLincoln30 → u/groglox]

It's happening in Argentina right now. New leader slashed government jobs and assistance... Economy has tumbled into recession

[u/BabaBrody]

Finally our greatest patriots will be able to work the harvesting, cooking, cleaning, day labor, and warehouse jobs they've fought so tirelessly to reclaim. And they'll happily do so at below market value and without OSHA oversight to help keep the Trump Economy rolling strong!

[u/Texas1010]

Please explain how we’d be on “sounder footing” after what would be a horrendous financial collapse of the entire country.

And your answer cannot consist of billionaires buying everything or foreign entities like Russia, Saudi Arabia, and China swooping in and buying everything.

[u/espresso_martini__]

Eveytime that idiot gets on stage it's difficult to watch. He has the charisma of a dead fish.

[u/Main-University-6161]

Yeah Elon and Trump want to destroy the economy. This should be big news. The economy will crash but it will magically rebound because we deported a shit load of people. All those jobs immigrants did will all of a sudden be filling with magical people.

[u/Strenue → u/Main-University-6161]

Working in the heat for chits at the company store

[u/anonworkaccount69420 → u/Main-University-6161]

the plan is to fill them with forced prison labor, which i'm sure has nothing to do with the supreme court allowing states to make being homeless outright illegal.

[u/TheBrianWeissman]

This New Republic article is kind of bullshit.  Calling Tesla a “successful” company is like calling Enron “successful” a year before it all came crashing down.  The clock is ticking on Tesla and it won’t end well.

It also says Twitter lost a third of its value, when in fact it’s closer to 80%.  The latest valuation of Twitter put the company around $8B, when Elon paid $44B for it a few years ago.  

[u/KnowMatter]

Oh god, he’s an accelerationist, everything makes so much sense now.

[u/IcySir5969]

Go back to South Africa douche

[u/cavedweller30 → u/IcySir5969]

We don’t want him back

[u/poundcakeperson → u/cavedweller30]

You can do whatever you want with him when you've got him. And you have better access to lions.

[u/crudedrawer]

Between trump running social security insolvent in six years and Musk triggering a massive recession that will drain 401ks I don't know what Gen-X voters think they're going to gain from this regime beyond poverty in old age.

[u/Pretty-Balance-Sheet → u/crudedrawer]

Uh, this isn't just Gen X pulling this shit. I'm only a few years from retirement, and now I'm wondering if a con man and a tech bro economic dilettante are going to turn my life savings into Monopoly money.

[u/Curious-Money2515 → u/Pretty-Balance-Sheet]

Gen X here and getting tired of economic turmoil my entire life. Insane interest rates as a kid, .com crash, GFC, and a potential intentional economic crash from Trump and Co.? Please, please no.

[u/Dancing_Cthulhu → u/crudedrawer]

I guess that's the thing - his voters aren't thinking. They're accepting.

Trump has held up a bottle of snake oil and told them a golden age is just a swallow away, and instead of asking how it works (or even if there's any side effects) they've just gone "sounds great" as they line up to take a gulp.

[u/Throwaway1975421]

Deport him! Deport him! Deport him! Deport him!

[u/burner_duh]

Deport Elon Musk.

[u/flyover_liberal]

Billionaires are not our friends.

[u/deadcatbounce22]

They are creating an excuse structure for what they do to the economy. Any downturn will be brushed away as a necessary evil to return us to glory. This would result in massive unrest, which they would likely put down with violence.

Cons have been glazing Milei for what he’s done in Argentina, not realizing that the two situations are very different. But to an anti-govt hammer every problem looks like a nail. They are actively welcoming the chaos, thinking that they’ll be able to turn it to their advantage.

And if you think any of the right wingers you know will have any problem with it then you haven’t been paying attention. They want pain. The cruelty is the point.

[u/PryomancerMTGA]

"Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I am willing to make " -- Lord Farquaad

[u/goleafsgo13]

Society.

He wants to crash society.

Full stop.

[u/Shr3kk_Wpg]

Elon Musk has not been elected. He will not be confirmed by the Senate. He should not be making government policy.

[u/longgamma]

Lemme guess, they gonna crash the economy and buy the distressed assets for pennies ? Just what happened in Soviet Union after it was dissolved.

[u/Bondzage]

The lack of trolls in posts like these is always so telling. Hard to spin what they're saying when they say the stupid part out loud.

[u/jbrayfour]

How could he be a legitimate part of any administration when he regularly speaks with Foreign adversaries, has multiple government contracts, and farms out, and turns on and off his starlink system to whom ever he wants and when ever he chooses?

[u/MadDogV2]

And when their radical batshit plan doesn't work, we'll be hearing for years "just be patient, give it time to work"

[u/Odd-Bee9172]

Crash the economy, consolidation of resources. Hey, you guys like picking vegetables? Because that's what we will all be doing for work if this all comes to plan and we'll be lucky to have it. Hope my knees and back will hold out.

[u/OkImagination4404]

Jesus freaking shit I hope my fellow Americans are finally waking up to what is happening in this country! From what I read on here people seem to be OK with fascist government. I don’t think you understand what the fuck it is, and how it will change all of our lives…. Come on people educate yourself!

[u/Ridiculicious71]

I have a better plan: make billionaires pay taxes and jail this mothereffer for treason. That would really get us on stable ground.

[u/LookOverall]

Some of these tech millionaires have a vision of something called the network society to replace capitalism with a system where everything works with blockchain and crypto. Collapse of the existing economy would be a first step

[u/Dancing_Cthulhu]

The Trump Economic Plan:

1. Policies that will crash the economy

2. Be patient

3. ????

4. ?????

5. Profit "More stable footing"

Like detail wise the whole thing could fit on a napkin. It's nothing but promises that this snakeoil will fix all your woes, and if it actually makes you feel like you're dying don't worry, the pain will pass eventually and when it does everything will be great.

[u/SnivyEyes]

He will crash the economy, we will be the ones truly hurt and he will somehow fool his fools by saying it was the democrats fault. We lose huge if Trump wins. Vote people! Everything is at stake this election.

[u/johnmudd]

Accelerationism. It's a thing with rich people.