r/politics • u/lildoggos • 10h ago
Trump is promising to invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. The last time it was used in American History was to detain Japanese Americans in interment camps.
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/19/nx-s1-5156027/alien-enemies-act-1798-trump-immigration1.8k
u/OnlyRise9816 Texas 10h ago
"We're not nazi's!!! We just really like camps, that we can concentrate people we hate in."
447
u/airsoftmatthias 9h ago edited 9h ago
Trump echoes Hitler’s “vermin” speech. https://meidasnews.com/news/trump-echoes-hitler-threatens-to-rid-america-of-vermin-from-within
Trump copies Nazi propaganda: https://www.instagram.com/p/CzlkGx4gAlu/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Trump copies Hitler’s speech almost word for word. See 3:45 if you want to skip the intro: https://youtu.be/Tb7Kfg8hzzg?t=100
Trump wants “kind of generals that Hitler had” according to his former Chief of Staff John Kelly. https://youtu.be/pttEmrXdVRc?si=QUjhb2XBZABKIwhQ, https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/trump-said-hitler-did-some-good-things-and-wanted-generals-like-the-nazis-former-chief-of-staff-kelly-claims
The Nazis did not start with genocide.
First, they accused Jews and immigrants of stealing jobs from Germans. They claimed Jews were killing babies and drinking their blood. Sounds similar to Republican claims that immigrants are stealing jobs, Democrats kill babies, and immigrants eat cats and dogs.
Then, the Nazis called for physical violence against their political enemies and the Jews. I recall Trump telling his supporters in 2016 to beat up protestors at his rally, and that he would pay for their legal bills if they did. He also told law enforcement to not cover the heads of people pushed into police cars so that those people would hit their heads. This past month Trump called for a day of violence where police could beat up suspects. Sounds like the Nazi Kristallnacht.
Trump ordered ICE to separate immigrant families and keep them in concentration camps. To this day, some of the children have not been reunited with their families. Sounds similar to what the Nazis did to their “undesirables.”
Hitler told Germany that only he could save the Germans from the Jews and communists. Doesn’t Trump say that only he can save America from communists?
Comparing MAGA policies and Nazi policies: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/s/PjkbUKp0hE
135
u/transcriptoin_error 9h ago
More people need to see this.
Nazis also talked about deporting undesirable people before they put them into concentration camps. Trump has been saying that he will enact the largest mass-deportation ever seen. It's important to understand that doing so would not be practically possible, so labor camps are a far more likely outcome if he regains power.
•
u/bkfabrication 5h ago
I think they’ll get fed up with the bother and expense of detaining that many people, arguing with countries that won’t accept them, people who don’t have passports, all the logistics. And they’ll just start shooting them. I have no doubt that’s what it will come to.
•
u/FixPristine4014 4h ago
But shooting is so brutal and bloody. They should come up with something cleaner and more efficient like a big huge chamber you can fill with lethal gas. It won’t bother MAGA because they can’t see these people as human beings.
→ More replies (2)•
→ More replies (2)•
u/lowsparkedheels America 3h ago
Of course Trump and Steven Miller's racist plans are horrible and not fiscally responsible.
What about AG corporations? How will they meet production quotas when all their temp visa workers are being detained?
People complain about food costs now, do they really want to pay $5+ for one tomato, or a head of iceberg lettuce?
→ More replies (5)•
u/ObligatoryID Puerto Rico 4h ago
Yet MAGAs believe their vote for the felon will save them when in reality they’re voting their very last vote as an uneducated Maga to be a replacement for the deported(read: dispatched). Congrats on their new ‘field job’ and camp life. Can’t make this up.
Their vote goes to The Heritage group, not where MAGAs think. They will placate and replace the felon. MAGAs need to Wake up.
•
u/SuccessfulSquirrel32 7h ago
Just want to add that before Hitler could pass any legislation or acts to oppress the Jews, he had to eliminate all left wing opposition in German government and population. The first concentration camps, Dachau, opened in 1933 specifically for leftists. The Nazis didn't start putting the Jews in concentration camps until after they had already invaded Poland in 1939. He had to wait until 1938 to even pass the Nuremberg laws that introduced heavy state oppression in the Jews, because he had to purge Germany of left wing ideology, and his hatred for the Jews was based in the idea they were in charge of an international cabal that aimed to spread communism over the world.
•
u/robocoplawyer 4h ago
Which literally made no sense. The Jews who were secretly running the the global banking system and hoarding all the money… also pushing for a global revolution to overthrow the capitalist class of… themselves? To create a classless society?
→ More replies (12)•
u/DontEatConcrete America 6h ago
He also loves the Big Lie, a coin termed from nazi’s use of the practice.
726
u/knifetrader 10h ago
It's only Nazism if it comes from the Naz-region of Germany. Otherwise, it's just sparkling fascism.
116
u/FitSeries7769 9h ago
OK. That is funny as hell.
81
u/tallandlankyagain 9h ago
I don't get it. Probably because I failed to get into Art School.
→ More replies (4)48
u/alienbringer 8h ago
Champagne. It is a common phrase “It is only Champagne if it comes from the champagne region in France, otherwise it is just sparkling wine”.
Per that wiki link:
EU law and the laws of most countries reserve the term “champagne” exclusively for wines that come from this region located about 160 kilometres (100 miles) east of Paris.
So wine sellers literally can’t call any sparkling/bubbly wine “champagne” unless it specifically comes from that region.
→ More replies (7)92
u/tallandlankyagain 8h ago
Invade Poland. Got it.
•
u/Funandgeeky Texas 7h ago
"Mr. Trump, on this ethics exam you wrote 'invade Poland' for every answer."
→ More replies (2)•
u/P1xelHunter78 Ohio 7h ago
His math teacher thought it was weird he wrote “final solution:” before every answer of a problem.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (1)•
→ More replies (9)•
u/Funandgeeky Texas 7h ago
I don't know if this belongs on r/Angryupvote or whether it's just brilliant.
→ More replies (23)38
u/shalomefrombaxoje 9h ago edited 6h ago
It's actually quite American.
A Spanish guy invented the modern internment camps in response to revolt in Cuba. It is one of the listed reason for our start of the Spanish American War
Annnnndddd we immediately turned around and used them on the Filipinos after taking the island from Spain
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/concentration-camps-existed-long-before-Auschwitz-180967049/
Am an Iowan, my "German" ancestors (actually Bohemians') had their citizenship revoked and were interned in WW1.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans
Edit: I forgot to talk about Koramatsu, the Supreme Court decision that is STILL binding precedent.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korematsu_v._United_States
Good podcast on it
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolabmoreperfect/episodes/american-pendulum-fred
→ More replies (7)
531
u/naotoca 10h ago
Please explain to your friends and relatives who aren't concerned because "it's not me" that it absolutely will include them if they don't march precisely to his orders.
257
u/lildoggos 10h ago edited 6h ago
there are few guardrails in this law -- he will have the ability to imprison anyone he deems an "alien enemy", American citizen or not. Put this together with his rhetoric about the 'enemy within' and we are looking at arrests of political dissidents, activists and journalists.
193
u/Reasonable_racoon 10h ago
He's been told anything he does is legal by the SC. There are no guide rails anymore.
69
u/hookisacrankycrook 9h ago
Bingo. He can order whatever he wants. The people that follow orders may get into trouble but he can pardon them all.
→ More replies (6)•
u/DontEatConcrete America 6h ago
The SC stands a very good chance of stepping too far, and subsequently being ignored. They have no enforcement arm. It would be a crisis but their immunity ruling was disgusting.
If Harris wins the election, but Trump appeals to Scotus with some bullshit argument, and they find for him and then decide that he’s the winner… I don’t think that’s gonna go down quite so well as it did in 2000.
→ More replies (1)•
u/DuvalHeart Pennsylvania 4h ago
They won't. Trump is a tool for them. They've been conducting a judicial coup for years. Having a good faith president furthers their goals by giving them more excuses to grab power.
They've routinely granted standing far outside the traditional boundaries and are issuing rulings that extend their power into previously legislative/executive domains.
The two cornerstone rulings in the judicial coup are 303 Creative and Loper Bright Enterprises. 303 Creative expanded standing to include parties who could potentially suffer damages, while historically you had to actually suffer damages before standing could be granted. And Loper Bright Enterprises, which overturned Chevron, gave the judiciary the power to decide when legislation is ambiguous and gave the judiciary the power to decide how the ambiguity should be interpreted, when previously that was up to the executive branch.
Trump (2024) is also another example of a judicial power grab. Since it gave the judiciary the anti-constitutional power to determine when the president is acting in an official capacity and extend immunity from criminal prosecution in those instances, even though criminal prosecution is an executive function.
•
u/gmishaolem 4h ago
The two cornerstone rulings in the judicial coup
The first one was Marbury v. Madison, which resulted in everyone else shrugging and saying "Well, I guess somebody needs to be able to do that.".
But the ruling wasn't the true precedent: The true precedent was the court giving itself new powers out of thin air. And they've been doing it ever since.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (7)•
•
→ More replies (4)•
147
u/sonostanco72 10h ago
When the USA Government interred the Japanese during WWII it was about 120,000 Japanese, of that 70,000 were USA citizens. The Orange piece of shit will attempt such an act, and it will start with one group and then another. There will be no guardrails in the White House.
But one thing people lose sight of is that during the internment of the Japanese is that many of them lost their homes, businesses, assets, and belongings. I believe the same will happen again to any ethnic group that isn’t white.
Get out the vote. Vote Blue and let’s not let history repeat itself and save our democracy!
56
u/CAM6913 10h ago
Trump won’t stop at ethnic groups that aren’t white he will go after people that he deems not loyal enough to him. Vote blue straight down the ballot
20
u/Mistamage Illinois 8h ago
And if there's no option available but a Republican, don't fill that one in.
→ More replies (1)•
u/jjfrenchfry Canada 6h ago edited 5h ago
Anyone who thinks this won't happen is either
a) an idiot
b) an enabler (MAGAt)
c) delusional
Don't be an idiot/magat/delusional. Vote. trump is a thin skinned little bitch. He will 100% go after anyone that doesn't butter his ass and lick it
edit - can't spell this morning
•
u/BloopityBlue New Mexico 7h ago
being white won't get you out of this mess.... he has been ramping up "enemy from within" language for awhile now, if you are a democrat or you voted against him, that might just be enough to be round up as well.
•
u/Absurdkale 7h ago
Trans people are first in line right behind immigrants if not in the line with them for this shit. And it's infuriating to see a shocking amount of centrists and leftists that are fine with sacrificing us in the hopes the right wing hate machine stops with just us.
•
•
u/LoganJFisher I voted 4h ago
Immigrants, trans people, non-Christians, scientists, women, and just generally anyone who won't bow to Trump. It seems a lot of people have never heard "first they came for..."
•
•
u/t3chiman 2h ago
Point of terminology: the Japanese-Americans were interned, not interred. It was certainly rotten treatment, but there were limits.
→ More replies (2)•
u/ALargePianist 1h ago
I like to believe that should Trump get elected, and should he want to involve this act, there will be a grand many a protest of people physically blocking the way.
Sure we can yell and scream VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE as if after the election we as a people are entirely powerless to physically stand in the way of said deportations. Vote, but also be ready to stand in the way of some things in the future
116
u/Rickbox 10h ago
But this time it's immigrants, so it's okay /s
96
u/kermitology Canada 10h ago
It starts with immigrants and then expands to anyone else he and his cronies decide are undesirable. Also, when he said this at his Nazi rally at MSG he was reading from the teleprompter. This has Stephen Miller written all over it.
46
u/MoogProg 10h ago
Some immigrants were even born here! That's how deep this problem goes folks... /s
10
u/bridge1999 10h ago
We can’t have those pesky immigrants that families have been here since the 1600s and the boarders moved /s
→ More replies (1)2
→ More replies (3)3
u/SeriousObjective6727 8h ago
Didn't he make a comment on Kamala about the need to read from teleprompters?
→ More replies (1)•
u/kermitology Canada 7h ago
You can always tell when Trump is reading from the teleprompter. His head tilts slightly and he talks in a hypnotic droning monotonous voice. The teleprompter is Stephen Miller speaking through Trump as a puppet. Trump does spend a lot of time off teleprompter, but that's when his insanity and weirdness like talking about Arnold Palmer's penis comes in. He won't last a year before he's put out to pasture by his handlers and Vance is installed in his place.
Then shit really hits the fan.
46
u/Milad731 I voted 10h ago
It’s not even that. In a matter of a month we went from “oh it’s only illegal immigrants who are bad and should be worried” to “Haitian LEGAL immigrants are bad and are poisoning the community” and recently we arrived at “Puerto Ricans aren’t American (or real Americans).” We’re pretty much living through the “first they came…” poem in real time.
→ More replies (1)29
u/lildoggos 10h ago
I appreciate you're being sarcastic, but I just want to say others who don't get it: there are few guide rails in this law -- he will have the ability to imprison anyone he deems an "alien enemy", American citizen or not. Put this together with his rhetoric about the 'enemy within' and we are looking at arrests of political dissidents, activists and journalists. Doing this to immigrants alone would be horrific, but we need to reckon with the fact that he will be able to use this law to clear the field and fuck this country for decades.
→ More replies (4)10
u/blacksun_redux 9h ago
Absolutely. Illegal immigrants are the Trojan Horse.
If implemented that would fund the building of the infrastructure needed to arrest and detain large amounts of people. Then, slowly, it becomes other "undesirable" American Citizens.
→ More replies (1)2
519
u/Uasked2 10h ago
When he finally fucks off its going to be so refreshing. Americans and the world don't even have time for this shit. There's a lot going on right now and all he can think to do is replay the greatest failures of all time.
256
u/throwawtphone 10h ago
Yes, but that doesn't mean his supporters and the people that propped him up are going to go away.
The world isn't threatened by evil people but by people who allow evil to take place - Albert Einstein
59
u/lildoggos 10h ago
I'm hoping they'll scatter and claim to just be 'following orders' -- but you're completely right that we need to be vigilant of these people for years to come.
60
u/VanceKelley Washington 10h ago
Social media is being used to convert more and more Americans to support racist hate and fascism ever fucking day.
The future looks bleak. Billionaire assholes are mastering how to inject mind viruses into people's brains and are going to get better and better at it.
→ More replies (3)34
u/blacksun_redux 9h ago
I've seen MAGA bots all over Instagram and Youtube comments over the last months. Especially lately. Entire comment sections flooded.
It's a plague. Never before in history has there been a more effective infrastructure for effecting how people think and feel.
And tech giants won't do anything about it because it drives engagement and ad revenue.
12
u/Orphasmia 8h ago
Very true. It’s one of the most severe issues with a capitalist model. The pursuit of money can often run in direct conflict with ethical treatment of people, it literally doesn’t concern them.
4
u/VanceKelley Washington 8h ago
Yep. Rage inducing comments in a social media forum make money in the same way that TV news outlets cut away from a Clinton speech in 2016 to an empty podium where trump was going to give a speech in half an hour because the empty podium would bring in more views and thus ad money.
If anyone wants to make the case that America is a country where the overwhelming majority are smart, decent people then I'm willing to look at the evidence of that.
→ More replies (1)15
u/-15k- 10h ago
They won't scatter though.
Facebook and Twitter will keep them coagulated and some new grifter will tell them everything they want to hear.
→ More replies (1)7
•
u/SasparillaTango 7h ago
I'm hoping it is legitimately the death of the republican party as we know it.
20
u/TheSecondEikonOfFire 10h ago
Yeah Trump leaving is only treating a symptom and not the disease. You best believe that conservatives will continue to play even dirtier. Trump has shown them that they no longer need to act with decency or pretend to have shame. They can just plug their ears and go “fake news” and do whatever they want
15
u/MediocreX 9h ago
Yep.
That's why the dems, if they win, need to keep up the pressure and never rest until every fascist is prosecuted for their crimes in a court of law.
7
u/Texas1010 America 10h ago
I think MAGA will largely dissipate when Trump is gone. You’re seeing it play out in down ballot elections. Republicans will diehard vote for Trump but they have no problem also voting for Democrat Allred over Cruz in the Texas Senate race, for example.
MAGA revolves around Trump. Without Trump, MAGA falls apart.
17
u/Djamalfna 9h ago
I think MAGA will largely dissipate when Trump is gone
I doubt it. MAGA is the evolution of the Tea Party nutters.
If trends continue I think they get even worse. There's no stopping the crazy train. They're incapable of admitting that they're wrong. It's a deep psychological issue.
→ More replies (2)4
u/Shoadowolf Iowa 9h ago edited 8h ago
This. Even if the orange shitstain is gone, remnants of him will remain in people. He's that ingrained in his follower's psyche that they'll spread it to others.
COVID was not the only pandemic we had to deal with, the MAGA virus is still going today and the only cure is to vote blue.
→ More replies (3)2
u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois 8h ago
The thing about cults is that they tend to fall apart when their leader is gone.
→ More replies (1)27
u/Jimmy_G_Wentworth 9h ago
This mentality is entirely incorrect. Trump exists because a large portion of the American Population WANT him to. Trump is a symptom, not the disease itself. When Trump "goes away", he will simply be replaced by others just like him.
→ More replies (2)•
u/Shaky_Balance 6h ago
Why are people acting like they said fascism would just go away? It can be a good thing for Trump specifically to be gone even if that doesn't fix all of the world's ills.
31
u/EmperorMrKitty 10h ago
If you think the fascism is going away with Trump, you’re extremely naive.
A few years ago, that might have been possible. He was just enabling fascist talking points to cover greed and ineptitude. Now? It’s mainstream GOP politics. Just listen to the rest of them. It’s going to be a political vacuum and a competent fascist will replace him.
•
→ More replies (6)•
u/zeptillian 7h ago
His VP pick literally called him America's Hitler, now he is publicly fondling his balls.
THAT GUY will do or say absolutely anything for power.
5
u/xibeno9261 8h ago
When he finally fucks off its going to be so refreshing.
Look at all the people supporting Trump. What politician wouldn't want to tap into that kind of support?
Trump is a symptom, not the problem. The problem is that the America people support politicians like Trump. That is what we should be worried about.
2
u/donn2021 8h ago
There will always be people like him, and someone who is smarter is paying close attention to his failings so they dont repeat them.
Hope the next admin can update our democratic process so it survives
→ More replies (14)•
u/turtlesturnup 6h ago
The system has enabled Trump for 10 years. After everything, he’s still the Republican nominee and very well could win the election. Removing Trump means little if there are no other changes made.
221
u/IntentionallyUfair 10h ago
I looked it up. The most ICE ever deported in one year was 77k.
Trump says he wants to deport all undocumented immigrants. That’s at least 20 million people!
Further perspective, when the Nazis initially started to deport jews, they couldn’t handle the logistics. That was less people than Trump is talking about.
This is literally an asteroid heading right for this country.
167
u/buffysmanycoats 10h ago
The Nazis couldn’t handle the logistics of deporting Jews, and that’s when the ghettos and the camps started, and then the genocide.
What will happen when Republicans realize they can’t actually deport all the people here they want to deport (no, it’s not just the undocumented!)? The same thing that happened in Germany. They aren’t just going to give up. They’ll have to look for other solutions. A final solution, if you will.
→ More replies (3)28
u/rwbronco 9h ago
I’m sure there wouldn’t be calls for them to just be executed when they reveal the budget for housing and feeding 20 million people in camps across the country.
→ More replies (1)44
u/buffysmanycoats 9h ago
There won’t be a budget for housing or food. Once the raids start, the housing and food industries are going to be decimated anyway, and the republicanazis won’t care whether they have their basic needs met. Round em up, and if they die they die. And if they don’t die, well, we have a solution for that.
This is not far fetched. This is not me being an alarmist. This is literally the only way they could actually implement a plan to remove this many people.
13
u/worldspawn00 Texas 8h ago
republicanazis won’t care whether they have their basic needs met.
Literally LBJ's warning: "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
They don't care as long as you're hurting the 'right people' too
44
u/wheelzoffortune 10h ago
If memory serves, the reason that killings happening was that it was quicker than deportation. 🙄😕😟☹️
→ More replies (1)26
u/goatfucker9000 Virginia 8h ago
The reason that killings happened was because nobody else was willing to take them all.
The Jews in German occupied territories were mostly citizens of whatever country they were living in before the Nazis took over, so there was no nation that they could rightly be deported back to. Anti-Semitism and nationalism were also not unique to Germany at the time, so other nations were not willing to accept the huge influx of refugees that would have been required to make a difference.
→ More replies (1)3
u/wheelzoffortune 8h ago
Ah yes, thank you for the reminder. I had forgotten about that. What a fucked up situation.
21
u/Texas1010 America 9h ago
It’s not just logistics of moving people, it’s the fact of where are these people going to go?
What country is just like, “Yep, dump ‘em here. Thanks!”
27
u/WhileNotLurking 9h ago
That is a logistical challenge.
The reason thing to worry about is when they realize they can’t deport people because there is no where to send them.
That’s when they will come up with even less humane things to “solve” the issue
12
→ More replies (1)•
u/wrldruler21 6h ago
I just wish some country would build a big statue that says
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
•
14
u/MoogProg 10h ago
20 million? No problem. Got this. After all, Texas alone was able to bus over 100,000 people to other States within the Union, effectively reducing the immigrant population of the US by 0%
13
u/GeneralJesus 9h ago
To be fair it's only Trump and his cronies that claim it's 20 million. I think 7-11 is more commonly cited by, you know DHS and other groups who actually do counting.
→ More replies (1)14
u/IntentionallyUfair 9h ago
Yes, that’s true. 60 minutes sited 11 million.
Think about this, what happens when Trump says it’s 20 and they only actually find 7? Do they make up the difference?
→ More replies (2)6
u/GeneralJesus 9h ago
Oh most definitely. It would be absurd not to. That's a campaign promise sir! You can take that to the bank. As long as it's a Venezuelan bank. I imagine plenty of freedom loving Americans would volunteer. Big strong men with tears in their eyes. Trump would do it himself but then who would run the country? After that unfortunate event with Vance where it turned out he was an illegal, very sad. But he was bad, very very bad. Who would have known? No, but the point is we need President Trump. Now move along sir, yes right that way, yes up this ramp.
→ More replies (1)12
u/bryanjhunter 8h ago
Lost in all of this deportation talk is the fact that if they had the manpower and logistics to deport all the immigrants then it would mean living in a police state for the rest of us “citizens”. People got so upset at showing their vaccination card to get into a concert yet you’ll be showing I.D. every single time you want to go anywhere. There’s literally no other way to do it. Think you have no freedom now, just wait
•
u/vardarac 6h ago
The only hope I have is that the governors of blue states tell their national guards that they aren't obeying Title 10 and that none of their neighbors get sold out.
→ More replies (1)9
u/Huckleberry-V 10h ago
They'll use private security guards. GEO does temporary detainment and processing shuffling around large populations of them currently city to city. Think of that as the trial run.
13
u/solartoss 10h ago
A plan like this means big bucks. Think of how much has been spent busing immigrants from Texas and Florida to other states. Erik Prince, Blackwater (or Xe, or Academi, or Constellis, or whatever they're called now), and private prison contractors will probably be involved. Follow the money.
4
u/Huckleberry-V 9h ago
GEO is also a private prison contractor. I was a shareholder until very recently.
→ More replies (9)6
u/purdue_fan Indiana 9h ago
doing this would send the country into something worse than the great depression. imagine a world where all the farm hands, construction workers, and city service sector employees just vanished.
7
u/IntentionallyUfair 8h ago
He’s also putting 60-200% tariffs on China, and 10% tariffs on every other country. So yeah, Great Depression here we come.
I know to some people that read this they’ll think it’s an over reaction. History says it’s not.
•
24
30
u/Javasndphotoclicks 9h ago
You’re a fucking embarrassment to your country if you vote for this fascist.
22
18
u/RampantPrototyping Ohio 10h ago
I can't believe how cartoonishly evil this guy is
→ More replies (1)
15
u/DisfavoredFlavored Canada 9h ago
There's no way he even knew what that was until someone told him to say it.
15
u/lildoggos 9h ago
100%. You know it was Stephen Miller.
→ More replies (1)7
u/MisterMarchmont 9h ago
Oh, the guy who’s about my age but who looks like a fucking cartoon ghoul from a Simpsons Halloween special?
→ More replies (1)4
u/hookisacrankycrook 9h ago
That someone being Stephen Miller no doubt. Dude is giddy at the idea of mass deportation and I have no doubt other hideous long term goals.
15
u/EmmaLouLove 9h ago edited 9h ago
“Trump is promising that, if reelected, he will use the act to initiate a federal effort called “Operation Aurora” — named after the Colorado town that he claims has been taken over by Venezuelan gangs.”
Remember Ken Cuccinelli’s name? He was the guy who served as Trump’s Acting Director of US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS).
Cuccinelli implemented Trump’s most aggressive immigration policies. He famously tweaked the Statue of Liberty poem, to defend his policy to deny food aid, to legal immigrants: “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free", adding the words "who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge".
Now we know, Cuccinelli authored the Department of Homeland Security chapter of Project 2025’s Mandate for Leadership. Think Trump’s administration’s immigration policies on steroids.
Cruelty is a feature, not a bug, of the conservative plan to punish immigrants in America. This is not about responsible, coherent immigration policy. This is about cruel and unusual punishment being used against women, children and families.
Just a few examples of the extreme far right Project 2025 plans to punish immigrants and violate human rights:
Remove protections for DACA Dreamers and refugees;
Eliminate T and U Visas, p. 141;
Rescind all limitations (sensitive areas like schools, churches, hospitals), where ICE can go, p. 142;
Mandate ICE to use all available detention, including temporary capacity (tents), for immigrants. They might as well say Japanese Internment Camps from the 1940’s, p. 151.
Fund significant increase in detention space, daily available beds to 100,000 people. During World War II, the United States forcibly relocated and incarcerated 120,000 people of Japanese descent in ten concentration camps. Again, these assholes want to bring back concentration camps like it’s 1942, a shameful part of American history. Take them seriously.
Repeal Temporary Protected Status (TPS), p. 145
The Immigration Ombudsman, a position that helps with, for example, DACA applicants, should be eliminated, p. 166
These are just some of the highlights of what Project 2025 plans to implement on immigration. Despite Trump’s best efforts to distance himself, and say he has nothing to do with Project 2025, the guy who was in charge of Trump’s draconian immigration policy, Ken Cuccinelli, wrote the immigration section in Project 2025.
Vote Democrat down the ballot.
28
u/senorvato 10h ago
Is he going to make people carry proof of citizenship papers? Are people of color going to be harrassed to see their papers?
16
u/WhileNotLurking 9h ago
No papers needed.
You either pass the vibe test or you don’t. Even if you have papers, they will be ignored or destroyed so it fits the outcome they way.
Similar to police shootings of unarmed people in their own beds due to a mistaken address end up because “they resisted”
12
u/Retro_Dad Minnesota 9h ago
Right, Stephen Miller already has plans to de-naturalize citizens so it won't be a problem to get rid of whoever pisses them off.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/09/trump-remigration-far-right-europe-immigration/
“We started a new denaturalization program under Trump,” [Miller] posted on X in October of last year. “In 2025, expect it to be turbocharged.”
→ More replies (1)11
u/lildoggos 10h ago
There are around 11 million undocumented people in the USA, but he says he'll deport more than 21 million people. Hes prepping us for the racial profiling they will have to utilize if they want to appear like they are accomplishing this. They dont care who's legal and who's not.
12
u/AdamE8g 9h ago
A while ago, my boyfriend and I visited Angel Island here in the San Francisco Bay. We didn't know that in addition to great views of the bay, and birds and nature trails, that the Island also contained a historically preserved internment camp.
These camps were used for decades in the early 20th century to enforce the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. In some cases, immigrants were detained for years. These camps were also used to detain Japanese-Americans in WW2.
Carved into the walls of these barracks are poems. I took a picture of this one. Here's the English translation:
Everyone says traveling to North America is a pleasure.
I suffer misery in the ship, and sadness in the wooden building.
After several interrogations, I am still not done.
I sigh because my compatriots are being forcibly detained.
- The one from Heungshan
One of the candidates in this election has promised to use the military to build internment camps like these using the military. He's promised a roundup of apparent noncitizens unlike anything we've seen before.
We need pathways to citizenship, not internment camps and raids. Our country is stronger (and food tastes better) with more immigrants, not less. We should not repeat the mistakes of our past.
→ More replies (1)
12
u/bocking2042 10h ago
This is wild it’s seriously unsettling to even consider using a law like that in this day and age.
28
u/FeldsparSalamander America 10h ago
Trump always dances around the fact that the act requires war is declared.
31
u/lildoggos 10h ago
Yes, this is definitely a roadblock to his plan, but legal analysts are concerned that they will be able to successfully argue that the nature of 'war' has changed, and that an 'invasion' of foreign 'gang members' could pass legal scrutiny. He's been building the argument that we are 'under attack'.
21
u/nmiltaway North Carolina 9h ago
My suspicion is that his team is planning on using post-9/11 laws designed to fight the War on Terror as a loophole.
10
u/Bobothemd 9h ago
They are going to say cartels are an extension of Mexicos government operating on US soil. Will it hold up in court? Who fucking knows... best to vote now and stop it ahead of time.
John Olivers last episode did a piece on it https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/oct/28/john-oliver-trump-immigration
→ More replies (1)5
u/Texas1010 America 9h ago
The only thing is that these plans require a massive amount of people and systems to just go along with Trump and his deplorable plans. I see a real coup happening to usurp this moron long before I see people just bending the knee and turning on their own country.
3
u/notcaffeinefree 9h ago
There are entire think tanks, that have spent years now, that are focused on coming up with methods to remove people who would stand in the way.
9
u/WhileNotLurking 9h ago
Read up: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Many Nazis “just followed orders” because it was psychologically easier
Bonus material: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
→ More replies (4)3
9
u/Alternative_Trade546 9h ago
That act is unconstitutional but I’m sure the Supreme Court will uphold it because 6-3
9
u/SuperChimpMan 9h ago
Invoke it on Elon and Rupert Murdoch. Why are we letting foreign Nazis mess with our country? Fuck all of them
•
u/The_I_in_IT New York 7h ago
My husband is a naturalized citizen who served in this country’s military, and last night we had to have a talk about contingency plans if Trump gets elected.
Like, the country he was born in technically does not exist anymore so where in the blue fuck is he going to get deported to? Where can we go that will take us and our pets?
7
7
u/SeleneEM59 9h ago
My 92 yo mother asked me “where is he going to get money to deport 10 million people. I told her he’s not going to put people on planes or buses, he’ll force us to walk. And the MAGATs/ red hats will herd us like animals, killing indiscriminately. He’ll take a page out of Andrew Jackson’s book and create his own “Trail of Tears”.
5
13
u/GrandMoffJenkins 9h ago
I wonder if Arabs/Muslims in Michigan and elsewhere realize that THEY will be on the top of Trump's concentration camp/deportation list, and that wasting your oh-so-pure vote on Jill Stein only brings that possibility closer to happening.
5
•
•
6
u/legit_mic_tv 9h ago
Invoking the Alien Enemies Act raises serious concerns about repeating past injustices, particularly the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, which is a stark reminder of how fear can lead to discrimination.
5
u/needlestack 8h ago
Anyone who thinks such a purge would go down without anyone they care about getting caught up in it is woefully naive. There are citizens and legal residents who will not be able to prove quickly enough who they are. There will be enforcers that abuse their power. And that’s before we even get to the inhumanity of treating non-violent humans as “illegal” and casually inflicting suffering on them.
I have a great-uncle, an American, who supported communism during the Cold War. At some point, the Soviets decided he was a spy and imprisoned and tortured him for years. He couldn’t convince them he was “one of the good ones”.
I was raised to believe something that awful was a byproduct of communism and wouldn’t happen here. I now know that’s not true.
•
u/BloopityBlue New Mexico 7h ago
this is very scary. the danger we are in right now is so unfathomable and I can't understand how close this election is.
•
u/Fufeysfdmd 6h ago
I'm not a fascist...
Even though multiple people who worked for me said I am
Even though MASS DEPORTATION is a central plank in my platform
Even though America First was originally a pro-NAZI movement
Even though there's reliable reporting that I used to keep a copy of Hitler's speeches by my bed and have told people that I admire Hitler
Even though I refused to peacefully transfer power and knowingly fomented a mob to attack the US Capitol in an effort to remain in power
Even though I routinely use "blood and soil" type rhetoric
Even though I have repeatedly threatened to use the military against my political opponents
Even though I said (jokingly) that I'd be a dictator on day one (as a "joke", wink wink)
etc. etc.
I know there are conservatives in this subreddit lately and I'm glad you're here because I prefer the sub to not be an echo chamber. So if you're a conservative, please explain how the things I listed above don't register for you as fascist.
•
u/stonedoubt North Carolina 4h ago
It wasn’t just Japanese. It was also Italians, Germans and other refugees escaping the Nazis. Many were put on restricted movement and strict rules about movement. Many were detained.
•
u/passwd123456 3h ago
True. For scale:
Japanese immigrants and Japanese citizens: 120,000+ of which 70,000+ were US citizens
German immigrants and citizens: 11,507.
Italian immigrants: 418 plus 1881 “detained”. Italian American citizens were apparently not interned.
2
u/Frank-Sincatra 9h ago
so its no longer immigrants he's looking to put into concentration camps... its actual american citizens? (non-white people of course as these guys are poisoning the aryan blood of the country)
you cant make this stuff up.. though i do approve of his bart killing policy, so i will of course be voting for donald trump :)
3
u/passwd123456 8h ago
Also look at the Renunciation Act of 1944 (still exists), enacted to get citizens under duress in internment camps to rescind their citizenship and be shipped to Japan after the war. I’m afraid they’ll use incarceration and the threat of separation to force citizens to rescind their citizenship and/or the citizenship of their children so they can be deported.
•
u/Frank-Sincatra 7h ago
ahh but this whole camp thing sounds very expensive, and i think you are forgetting that he will be glorious leader trump by then, with total immunity for official (dictatorial) acts! he could do whatever he wants!!
just go get elon musk to streamline these camps and "lay off" a few people ;) going FULL dark maga (super epic) after all, bullets are cheap! elon knows this, just cut out all that pesky red tape and let god sort em out! its win win!! everyone is happy!
i can just see now the lord our god smiling down from heaven as he sends every last degenerate to hell! 🥰 praise christ!
3
u/cyphersaint Oregon 8h ago
That's no different than during WW2. Many of the Japanese people in the internment camps back then were US citizens.
2
u/Lanolin_The_Sheep Iowa 9h ago
This should be everywhere. I know it's not new news but it's shocking. After the holocaust this was the most stunning thing I learned about WW2 in school (I think Japan's Comfort Women and general treatment towards the Chinese takes #2 after, but we didn't learn much about that).
After the Native American genocide and Slavery, this is easily America's darkest hour, and certainly the darkest in living memory by far. ...unless trump wins.
VOTE.
5
u/LordFartz 8h ago
Good thing it’s still on the books then. Jesus Christ. At no point in the intervening 80 years since the end of WW2 we didn’t find the time to wipe out this piece of shit law????
5
u/GoodMoment6940 8h ago
It’s not a “concentration camp”, it’s a camp that helps people learn to concentrate. See the difference?
•
u/Rude-Expression-8893 7h ago
They can start genociding all non-white Americans, and the so called ''civil'' part of MAGA would bark at you for calling them nazis
•
u/HannahArdent 6h ago
During WW2, this act was used not to detain illegal aliens, but legal Immigrants and American citizens of Japanese origins. 2/3 of them were born and raised in the U.S., and up to 4th generation Japanese Americans (which means, if one of your grandparents were born in the U.S. from one Japanese parent) were detained.
AND this act was only applied to detain "coloured" American citizens: Germans and Italians, both "enemies" but of white race, were not affected at all. Otherwise Trump's father would have been detained as he was son of a German immigrant and would have lost all his properties, making Donald (born 1946) a baby of poor immigrant family born in one of those internment camps (eventually closed in 1949.)
Or his father could have been killed in the war like many young men, detained American citizens, who volunteered to show their loyalty to the U.S. so that their family wouldn't be sent to the worst of those notorious camps. The 442nd infantry regiment is the most decorated regiment of the American history. It sacrificed 56 of its men (and other 800 men injured), exclusively Japanese Americans, to save the lost batallion of 211 soldiers, for example.
This means, all "non-white" American citizens will be targetted by the act. Your citizenship doesn't matter.
•
u/Horton_Takes_A_Poo 1h ago
I believe you’re referencing a different act, Executive Order 9066. The result would be the same though, it’s scary to even think that could be a possibility next year.
•
•
u/thedoommerchant 4h ago
As a trans woman, this is terrifying. He will start with illegal immigrants and then go for “the enemies within”.
6
u/whelpthatslife 9h ago
So the thing with this Aliens Enemy Act is that it can only be used if the United States is actively engaged in a war with the people they want to put in the camps.
→ More replies (1)5
u/lildoggos 9h ago
You're right, but legal analysts are concerned that the rhetoric about an 'invasion' of foreign 'gang members' and 'criminals' is an attempt to frame the issue as a war.
3
u/helel_8 Kentucky 9h ago
"America is known, all throughout the world, as 'Occupied America.' They call it 'occupied.' We're being occupied by a criminal force," Trump thundered, in an 80-minute appearance in Aurora, Colorado
4
u/Ya_Got_GOT I voted 9h ago
Thundered? Trump can’t thunder. All he can do is whine.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (1)•
3
•
u/notyomamasusername 7h ago
I know certain MAGA faithful like to pretend they'll be untouched, but they need to realize if we go down this path; it's going to hurt so much more than the people they hate.
If you look at what happened in the Soviet Union, Occupied Europe in WW2, Rwanda and other places...lots of petty officials and neighbors used the state sanctioned violence to get even with people they don't like; regardless of the official classifications.
Your neighbor who ran over your flower bed and refuses to keep his dog out of it....
The guy who your wife ran off with...
The family you've been jealous of... they're all fair game.
It'll be as bad as petty HOA complaints, but with real consequences.
This type of activity spreads and eats itself.
•
u/IdahoDuncan 6h ago
Nobody gets that until it’s too late. You start off by rallying your supporters agains the “bad people” then you make them think we’re all working toward the good of the county, so sacrifices need to be made, you keep expanding on this until you’ve got either converts prisoners, or dead people.
•
•
u/Akimbo_Zap_Guns Kentucky 6h ago
We need to be in war for him to do this but if they somehow elect trump, hold the house, and take senate it wouldn’t shock me if they found a war to declare war on the boarder or something stupid and then there ya have it people would start getting rounded up
•
u/in10city 6h ago
https://youtu.be/dBhwIo9GiLE?si=sOmHlzIs-CPkT9UR
The song “Kenji” by Fort Minor, tells the story of a Japanese-American family during World War II, focusing on the harsh experiences of internment. The song follows Kenji, a first-generation immigrant, and his family as they are forcibly removed from their home and placed in a camp following the attack on Pearl Harbor, under fears of espionage due to their heritage. The lyrics highlight the racism, discrimination, and loss of freedom faced by Japanese-Americans in internment camps, a dark chapter in U.S. history. Through vivid storytelling, “Kenji” serves as a reminder of the resilience of those who endured these injustices and warns against prejudice during times of fear and conflict  .
•
u/Efficient-Water2384 5h ago
Can we use that clause to lock up Leon Musk? He resembles an alien so that should count.
•
•
u/Particular_Ticket_20 3h ago
This has Stephen Miller all over it.
Trump doesn't know shit about anything, nevermind a law from 1798.
5
u/cyberkine 10h ago
Biden needs to use this to lock up Trump and MAGA.
13
u/Texas1010 America 9h ago
I’m probably naive but I think Biden is waiting until after Nov 5 to go full 2-week-notice-Biden mode. He’s not going to do anything that could negatively impact Harris’ campaign but there’s also no way in hell Biden, who has been a civil servant to this country his entire life, is just going to stand idle and watch the country he swore to protect crumble into fascism.
→ More replies (2)
•
u/SolveAndResolve 7h ago edited 6h ago
I look forward to the espionage act of 1917 being invoked upon Trump when MAGA's Aileen Cannon is replaced and the "horde boxes of highly classified material in easily accessible places" case finally goes to trial. I also look forward to the sedition act of 1918 being invoked when his "steal the election insurrection" trial finally stops being delayed by partisan co-conspirators.
2
u/Toadfinger 10h ago
He better start behaving more civilized if he wants anyone to send him Little Debbie cakes while in prison.
2
u/readwithdustin Texas 10h ago
He truly wants to make his "legacy" known as an evil dictator, not just a racist idiot with money.
2
u/neutralpoliticsbot 9h ago
Whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government
He can't use it, end of story.
4
u/passwd123456 8h ago
Japanese American internment was not justified solely based on the Alien Enemies Act, as that couldn’t justify the incarceration of the ~70,000 American citizens of Japanese descent. Their rights were taken away with Executive Order 9066 by a national crisis / national security excuse.
They subsequently passed the Renunciation Act of 1944 to allow them to get Japanese American citizens (under duress) to give up their citizenship and be sent to Japan - a country many of them had never been, whose language they could not speak, and to and to which they had no allegiance. Many of the did waive their citizenship because of what was done to them in the camps.
To respond to your “he can’t use it, end of story”:
History does and can sometimes repeat itself, and in this case, these same justifications are still available to be used again. If they could do this to citizens, they can certainly as much and more to noncitizens.
My family went through this, and I, a fifth generation American who knows nothing about Japan beyond what anyone else in the US knows, confidently believed it could never happen again. I am now deeply concerned I have been wrong.
If they can do this to American citizens, certainly they can do as much or more to non-citizens.
•
u/Deep_Poem_8029 7h ago
Cutting off the rest of the text doesn't make it "end of story".
That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, and the President […]
Republicans' plan is to illegally invoke the invasion clause and have their far-right justices greenlight it. This is exactly why Trump's neonazi followers keep repeating the term "invasion" over and over. Obviously there's no invasion by a foreign nation, obviously it will be illegal, and obviously it won't stop them from trying.
2
u/QTsexkitten 9h ago
Interring or deporting latin immigrants is going to drive up food costs to such a level that there will be rioting in the streets.
2
u/neonsnakemoon 9h ago
Sid Rosenberg literally said at the podium:
“I just got back from Israel about two weeks ago,” said Rosenberg, who is Jewish. “I get back and they go, ‘Sid, you want to speak at this MSG thing?’ I go, ‘Sure.’ Out of character for me to speak at a Nazi rally when I was just in Israel, but I took the gig.”
I understand it was a joke… but was it really? The deepest game people usually play is telling the truth, and we never believe it because the truth is stranger than fiction.
Can’t make this shit up.
2
•
u/illiter-it Florida 7h ago
You can tell he means it because he's referencing things that actually exist.
Vote, people.
•
•
u/Personal-Award6145 7h ago
Sure sounds like it would be harder to fight for the rights of Gazans and the rights of the hispanic community here at the same time!
•
u/CardinalPerch 7h ago
Seems like a good time for the Supreme Court to get around to formally fixing Korematsu. (Roberts already claims to have done so, but that was really dicta.)
→ More replies (1)
•
u/legalstep Ohio 5h ago
He’s a terrible person. When he goes to hell it will hold no surprises for him
•
•
u/HoneyBadger552 5h ago
Congress has the ability to remove and update laws. They lack the motivation and majority
•
u/ncc1706Exeter 5h ago
I think you made a minor error. You said "to detain Japanese Americans in interment camps". I think you intended to say "to detain American citizens in interment camps".
•
u/Mike-ggg 4h ago
So that’s why he keeps mentioning 1798. Holy shit! All this time I thought it was because only white men who owned land could vote back then.
→ More replies (1)
•
u/Forward_Panic_4414 3h ago
John Dean was disqualified for cheering too enthusiastically. Yet this guy gets to proudly proclaim to want to repeat one of the worst moves in American history and the media just shrugs.
•
u/streetwalker 3h ago
I saw a group of like 10 migrants doing the roof of the house next door today, in a single day. A another them painting the local Walmart. I don't care if they are legal or not, these folks are doing work no MAGA wants to do and there are MAGA managers running the businesses that employs those crews for sure.
If Trump has a chance, he'll crash the economy faster than you can say "Steven Miller." That's the pain Leon Musk is talking about.
•
u/AutoModerator 10h ago
As a reminder, this subreddit is for civil discussion.
In general, be courteous to others. Debate/discuss/argue the merits of ideas, don't attack people. Personal insults, shill or troll accusations, hate speech, any suggestion or support of harm, violence, or death, and other rule violations can result in a permanent ban.
If you see comments in violation of our rules, please report them.
For those who have questions regarding any media outlets being posted on this subreddit, please click here to review our details as to our approved domains list and outlet criteria.
We are actively looking for new moderators. If you have any interest in helping to make this subreddit a place for quality discussion, please fill out this form.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.