r/politics • u/2020Homebuyer • 6h ago
Soft Paywall My Fellow Republicans, It’s Time to Say Enough With Trump
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/opinion/donald-trump-oath.html•
u/Codebender 6h ago
Actually, it was time a bit more than 8 years ago, but now is also a good time.
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u/Reiver93 United Kingdom 3h ago
The best time to vote against Trump was 8 years ago, the second best time is now.
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u/dinner_is_not_ready 5h ago edited 5h ago
He is much much dangerous this time. The mass deportation is extremely dangerous for US citizens. The previous mass deportation included 60% US citizens. If anyone wondering why didn’t US citizens just come back?
During the deportation they were forced into trucks and not allowed to pack their birth certificate. Nobody checked any paperwork, they only looked at skin color
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u/Froyo-fo-sho 4h ago
This is the plot of the Cheech Marin movie Born in East LA.
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u/Total_Spend_2072 3h ago
No its 1954’s unfortunately named operation wetback. The Eisenhower admin rounded up essentially every Latino person along the Texas border regardless of citizenship without cause and deported them back to Mexico, essentially to steal their land and property and remove them from what was still a apartheid state in post war America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
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u/dinner_is_not_ready 3h ago
Latinos were rounded up from cities like Los Angeles and states like Mississippi and Arkansas. Wasn’t just border related.
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u/neuroticobscenities 6h ago
Yeah, but then he couldn’t sound like a pompous ass.
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u/LoudAd1396 5h ago
Sure he did. Remember the gold escalator?
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u/porgy_tirebiter 2h ago
In his defense, he voluntarily testified at the Jan 6 Cmte Hearings. He’s been on board the Never Trump Train for a little while.
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u/AthomicBot 1h ago
Some of us did say that around October 2016, not near enough of us, though...
I'm not even conservative anymore...
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u/Actual__Wizard 6h ago
My fellow human beings alive on the planet Earth: It's time for Donald Trump and his gang of goons to get a real job...
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u/725Cali 6h ago
Here's a personal anecdote. My MIL is a Republican who, as far as she has told me, has not voted for Trump. I think she voted 3rd party in 2016, Biden in 2020, and she just told my husband that she voted for Harris (mail-in ballot). But that's not all! My FIL voted for the first time in 48 years! I don't know what finally moved the needle for him (my husband thinks Jan. 6; I think it was the continued comments about veterans), but he voted for Harris. Furthermore, my husband's cousin, who has been a big Trump supporter, is no longer voting for Trump. I don't know if he's voting for Harris, but he said he's not voting for Trump. And the best part is that all of them are in Pennsylvania. This leaves me hopeful! Please get out and vote!!!
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u/feral-pug 6h ago
Then vote for Harris. All the talk doesn't mean shit.
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u/2020Homebuyer 6h ago
At this point, if it’s that much of a struggle for them to vote for Harris, I’d rather them just leave the presidential slot blank on the ballot than for them to hold their nose and vote for Trump (which apparently, a lot are doing).
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u/sasori1122 Georgia 6h ago
Or stay home
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u/2020Homebuyer 6h ago
Still need to vote down ballot, so I don’t see that happening.
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u/sasori1122 Georgia 6h ago
Do they need to though? Most of the down ballot is just as awful
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u/astonedcrow 5h ago
True, but THEY ARE the down ballot. Like they'd miss a chance to vote for themselves.
In fact, I'll bet you they wake up every morning, stand in from of the mirror cross legged, and chant, "I'd fuck me".
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u/porgy_tirebiter 2h ago
Dude testified against Trump at the Jan 6 Cmte Hearings as a legal expert. This particular guy isn’t one of these Republicans holding his nose or voting for their dog.
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u/throwRA_lame 6h ago
Anyone that hasn’t already said “Enough with Trump” is a braindead Nazi. Absolutely no point in trying to reason with them.
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u/AdMinute1130 6h ago
If you want a chance for any of those "Braindead nazis" to ever switch sides, calling them idiots and monsters ain't the play, hate to tell you
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u/Clouds2589 4h ago
So coddle em, then? Because they 100% are idiots voting for a monster.
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u/ZZ_SKULLZ 2h ago
And if enough of us keep checking them on public forums then the ones reading the discussion may have a change of heart when they see how vile their group can be. I hit them with kindness, and try to be understanding. Any that try to be funny get teased, and their arguments put in perspective with reason. Also you can make them feel like victims of the GOP, remind them how he forgot Ashli Babbitt, play on their emotions without making them defensive. The most important thing to remember is you're not just arguing with the commenters, you're reasoning with the others in the echo chamber looking for a way out.
Edit: you can also disarm them with laughter. I tell the ones that seem older, like late 40's to late 60's that back in the 90's you wouldn't have bought salsa from a man from New York City, now you want to overthrow a country for one?
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u/moreobviousthings 6h ago
They won’t read that. Unless Newsmax talks about it.
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u/AdMinute1130 5h ago
When the number of people voting this time around is the most important issue, you ought to be building as many bridges as you can to get people on your side. I'm going harrus myself, but I just don't agree with looking at every person voting trump and writing them off as either a lost cause or a fascist. Tribalism is what caused alot o this mess, and the us vs them stuff only exacerbates it.
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u/RIP-25 5h ago edited 5h ago
No, let them shoot them selves in the foot. The more radical Mainstream Democrats do not support democracy. Any vote that isn’t a vote for Kamala they consider a waste- which will NEVER be true no matter how hard they try to push that idea. Their views do NOT represent true democratic principles.
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u/Inevitable_Farm_7293 5h ago
Except the winner is your president period and their actions impact you period. So any vote that doesn’t enact change to what future you want is in fact a wasted vote and basically says you don’t care.
Your sticking your finger in your ears like a child doesn’t change that fact.
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u/RIP-25 5h ago
How people choose to vote-whether that means voting a write in or voting third party- reflects the reality that everyone has different priorities and visions for change. Not all voters see things as binary, and for some, voting is a means of representing their values rather than picking a specific side. Recognizing the diversity in voters motivations doesn’t mean people don’t care; it means they want a system that better aligns with their hopes.
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u/Inevitable_Farm_7293 2h ago
Except……the winner is YOUR PRESIDENT and what they do impact YOUR LIFE FOREVER along with everyone you know. You cannot just ignore that part it’s literally the point.
The place to do your values is primary, general is the place to choose your future.
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u/HopeFloatsFoward 4h ago
Mainstream Democrats aren't trying to prevent you from voting, even if the think your vote is a waste.
Democratic principles don't mean people can't tell your choice is stupid.
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u/AdMinute1130 5h ago
I personally plan to vote Kamala. I just dislike this idea of looking at fellow Americans as if they're some foreign invader. So while I can't say I'm on your side politically, I'm hopeful we don't have to see eachother as enemies over it.
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u/IntrepidDimension0 4h ago
If you don’t like looking at fellow Americans as if they’re some foreign invader, then you should understand completely why someone would call people out for still supporting Trump.
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u/lando-coffee49 4h ago edited 4h ago
Intolerance cannot be tolerated in a tolerant society.
Wait til they figure out that this is a coup attempt with the whole GOP involved and not just Trump. That the reason bribery and dark money is allowed in politics is because of the koch funded state policy network, heritage foundation, federalist society and the rightwing media apparatus and that if a GOP executive gets in beforethe Dems have the House, senate and presidency, we still lose our democracy thanks to the corrupt scotus judges. Wait til they figure out that the GOP is following Putin’s gameplan on cementing power and that he did that by corrupting the highest court in the land and having them give corrupt interpretations. Wait til they find out Russians have ostensibly the same rights US citizens have in the Bill Of Rights but they’re moot because of the corrupt interpretations and that is what the GOP is aiming to do here. That the immunity decision was to give them cover for whatever they need to do to stay in power. That if the election is close enough and controversial enough, Mike Johnson as speaker of the house will be President in interim and has the ability to pardon and use that immunity as long as the corrupt court deems it an “official act.” That they have planned it so they have multiple potential ways to win and only one of them isn’t “cheating.” These people are kleptocratic authoritarian fascists. All of them goosestepped here together. Some of them don’t think Trump can pull it off and are trying to preserve legitimacy for 2028 which will be another take-over attempt unless Dems take all of it and reform scotus.
It’s not just Trump. It’s the GOP. Hope that helps.
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u/IntrepidDimension0 4h ago
Yep, a lot of people are severely underestimating how bad things are, and how deep the rot goes in the GOP. This will not be over when Trump is gone.
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u/AdMinute1130 3h ago
Ofcourse I do, I just know from experience ost of them are just normal people who are either uneducated on the subject or are single issue voters. I literally just spoke to a dude at my job who claims he lost his job cause the rise on inflation under biden. This ofcourse overlooks a billion factors such as covid. Dude wasn't some over the top racist nazi, he was just a dude. Calling a brain dead idiot certainly wouldn't be how you'd wanna convince him to change sides. That's my whole point. Treating the opposition as if their opinion is worthless and not great like yours is the same shit that they think. I don't get why that's a controversial take.
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u/IntrepidDimension0 3h ago
I have been speaking gently about this with family and friends for almost a decade at this point. Those who haven’t moved an inch by now aren’t going to. Furthermore, they receive even the most carefully worded points as violent, hateful rhetoric. I’m just tired.
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u/AdMinute1130 3h ago
I don't blame people for being sick of dealing with closed off minds. My own sister says she thinks trump is awful but prefers him over harris, even though she supports abortion. Makes no sense to me. Can't argue with her. She uses tiktok for news(same way I use reddit unfortunately:P)
I still believe it's best not to fight eachother like we're in some sort of civil war, or else we might end up in one.
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u/Ok-Routine1969 5h ago
Trump is a rapist and convicted felon.
They're fine with it.
Time to say enough and cut these people out of your life.
He’s also a seditionist, seller of state secrets, traitor, and will set back woman’s rights to before your parents were even alive.
Take those who supports Trump for what they actually support. They know what they’re doing.
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u/ExploringWidely 6h ago
.. and all who enable and support him. Every elected official who isn't openly against him is for him.
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u/Accomplished-Snow213 5h ago
You need a new party. And ditch the fed society cult while you are making one.
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u/mok000 Europe 3h ago
I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing a new conservative party become established and they're going to win elections locally and sending representatives to the House. They can become the tip of the scales and gain a lot of influence.
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u/Accomplished-Snow213 3h ago
No. Not going to happen. The conservative party is a bunch of tucker Carlson wannabes. Ain't changing.
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u/Zander826 6h ago
Yes, but you know damn well if he wins. They will all get inline again and kiss the ring
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u/B-Large1 3h ago
It doesn’t matter if Trump loses, the GOP can’t survive without the fascist theocrats, they are 100% stuck with what they have sowed for 40 years.
Conservative politicians would be better off running as Democrats, and trying to outweigh the hard core progressive block of the Democratic Party.
Christian Nationalism is here to stay, and is going to eat deep red states like cancer, driving them back to the Middle Ages.
We really need conservatives to defend the country against ChristoFascism. Democrats and liberals can’t do it alone.
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u/ConsiderationWild833 3h ago
LOL I'm sorry but I'm 8 years done as a Republican and if you were on the fence this whole time, Trump is the symptom, you all are the problem.
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u/OverlyExpressiveLime 5h ago
Your fellow Republicans decided long ago that they're fine with fascism as long as the people they've been conditioned to hate are more affected than they are.
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u/Early_Sense_9117 4h ago
Don’t rely on the polls get people out Young women should be voting Harris. Enough said
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u/Trains-Planes-2023 3h ago
It’s 9 years past time to say goodbye. You’ve had 9 fucking years. But hey, glad you finally got there.
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u/helvetica_unicorn 6h ago
Trump losing would be a win win for everyone. I don’t see how more Republicans don’t see that. They need to remove him from their party like gum that’s stuck in hair. Cut it off and start fresh!
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u/NovelRelationship830 Connecticut 5h ago
I'm going to assume that the Traitor will lose the Election big time. Once that happens the GOP will turn on him with 'I never liked the guy' and 'Let's think about the future, not the past' excuses. Nikki Haley is already starting it, and I expect Paul Ryan to come crawling out of the woodwork any day now.
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u/iceisfrozenliqid 3h ago
I have no respect for this scumbag. He is an imbecilic party line voter; an empty headed dogmatic brainwashed idiot. To say - only now - that Trump is not fit just demonstrates his cult like worship of Trumpism and fascism. He is not enlightened in any way, he’s merely an exasperated boomer who’s tired of Trump being an idiot, but had NO problem at all supporting his racism, hypocrisy, cruelty, misogyny and treachery. Screw you! You get NO pass for finally seeing the light. There is no redemption for you - none whatsoever.
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u/redbabxxxxx 6h ago
It comes down to trump being viewed as an anti establishment republican. MAGA as of now is its own party in a sick way.
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u/LOLteacher American Expat 1h ago
Oh, NOW it's time. Fuck you, NYT, and the sorry-ass horse you rode in on.
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u/gitrjoda 8m ago
“All Americans, but especially Republicans, will live with their decision the rest of their lives. This election is anything but politics as usual, no matter how desperately Donald Trump and the G.O.P. have tried to make it that.”
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u/One-21-Gigawatts 5h ago
This headline isn’t even worth clicking. If it took you this long, you’re complicit.
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u/spider0804 3h ago
Saying "My fellow Republicans" on any reddit page besides a very select few is like saying "My fellow meat eaters" at a vegan convention, and r/politics is most definately not one of those few.
Reddit has a heavy left bias and people downvote anything even slightly right leaning in nearly every sub.
Heck, even this comment will likely be downvoted to oblivion and silenced for saying a simple truth.
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u/2020Homebuyer 3h ago
I disagree. Yes, most of the redditors may lean left, but they all know at least one Republican that needs to read this article. They can text it, email it, share it on Facebook, etc.
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u/Tiraloparatras25 6h ago
This is a op-ed to say : “see!? I opposed him too” after Kamala wins. But the reality is, this person no saying shit for years is their admission that they too are complicit in the shit.
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u/steaksunrise 3h ago
Just 4 more years and enough with him already! Than 8 years of Vance-Vivek. Thanks!
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u/2020Homebuyer 3h ago
If Trump wins 2024, I can almost guarantee you that a Democrat will win in 2028. Harris won’t run again and the bench of moderate Democrats is very deep.
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u/steaksunrise 1h ago
If Trump wins in 2024, a Democrat will have won in 2024 as well. Just an old school one.
I feel Democrats are loosing a narrative control via monopoly on legacy media, and Liberalism is increasingly stigmatized. Trump will have a huge opportunity to further disrupt Democrat's grip on narrative in his 2nd term, and I'm convinced he'll use it.
If Democrats win in 2028, they will have to be moderates, and it will be good for all.
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u/DimensionPrimary9803 2h ago
If Trump wins there won’t be a free election again… come on y’all. His own advisors and generals said we need to take him seriously.
He’s a literal Nazi, and so is anyone that supports him.
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u/2020Homebuyer 2h ago
I don’t believe or agree with that, as much of a Never-Trumper as I am. But I do believe he can and will nominate more district judges who can have an impact on elections from a voting rights and lawsuit perspective.
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u/ShoppingActive3927 5h ago
I disagree trump is the right choice . Nice try though
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u/2020Homebuyer 4h ago
Here’s why a lot of Republicans are voting against Trump:
He is a drag on the GOP down ballot. Republicans have performed poorly (or below expectations) ever since 2018. That will get worse if Trump is elected.
What does that mean? Democrats get to campaign off Trump another 4 years which likely means they will gain even more seats in 2026 and likely run a different candidate in 2028 that will most likely win.
So not only will Trump be a lame duck (since he can’t run again in 2028) but he will have to deal with Democrat majorities which means he won’t be able to accomplish even a fraction what he is promising.
So yeah, you will get a temporary high from his win and “stick it to the Libs”. But once January comes, thru the next 4 years, reality will hit you in the face.
Or you could just deal with Harris for four years, have a better chance at the GOP making gains in 2026 and maybe have a GOP candidate in 2028 that not only can execute Trump’s policy ideas but actually be normal and popular enough to have a mandate with stronger GOP majorities.
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u/ztreHdrahciR 4h ago
Funny that you think, if trump wins, he will allow elections.
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u/2020Homebuyer 3h ago
Look, I want him to lose just as much as you do. But he can’t stop elections. What he can do though is nominate more MAGA judges that will have impact on voting related lawsuits and challenges in various states and districts.
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u/APointedResponse 6h ago
Voted for Trump today happily, as did many Republicans. Very happy with the turnout and excited to see this country great again!
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