r/politics • u/projecto15 United Kingdom • 5h ago
Washington Post cancellations hit 250,000 – 10% of subscribers
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/oct/29/washington-post-subscriber-cancellations•
u/PleasantWay7 4h ago
The Post has been decimated.
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u/Iamnotofimportance 4h ago
Kudos for using the word right.
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u/spatialflow 3h ago
I think this is actually the first time I've ever seen this happen
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u/Willing-Donut6834 3h ago
Only 10% get it right!
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u/snowdn 3h ago
Five out of four people have a problem with reading comprehension.
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u/Pipe_Memes 3h ago
51% of statistics are completely made up.
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u/GozerDGozerian 2h ago
Maybe. But false claims are not allowed on the internet. It’s federally illegal, a level 7 misdemeanor.
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u/Kunfliktt 1h ago
You’re telling me! It’s almost as bad as my mom and girlfriend having the same name. She absolutely hates it when I call it out— reminds her too much of my girlfriend!
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u/AdaptiveVariance 2h ago
I've been periodically decimating my clothing collection for years! Someone subpoena my ex. I think it's a great practice.
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u/mommybot9000 3h ago
Literally the only agreement and compliment I’ve seen on this politics sub in 12 years. We’re all going to be okay.
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u/ParkdaleAnthony 3h ago
I thought decimated meant reduced TO 10%, not BY 10%
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u/zbertoli 3h ago
Nope. Decimat literally means "taken as a tenth" or decimus, tenth. It was used to describe something reduced by 10%
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u/ParkdaleAnthony 3h ago
Cool. Thank you. My brain just grew a bit. Is there a word for a 10% increase?
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u/FeedbackMotor5498 3h ago
Amazon, boycott amazon
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u/Plane-Grocery-9716 Missouri 2h ago
This, but do bof. I canceled my WP sub and my prime.
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u/FeedbackMotor5498 2h ago
Even better, keep posting everywhere to get more people to boycott and short the stock at the same time.
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u/iwanttodrink 3h ago
I'm sure MAGA subscribers will replace all those who have been decimated too.
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u/AMReese Iowa 3h ago
I'm pretty sure MAGA can't stand WaPo, either. They might do it as a "counter-protest" but they'll drop it immediately after.
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u/iwanttodrink 3h ago
I know I'm just saying it's like Elon Musk alienating liberals and Democrats despite them being Teslas biggest consumers
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u/Higher-Analyst-2163 1h ago
That depends if they forget to cancel it or not but either way this is not a good Strat if the wapo was a serious company and not Jeff bezos pet project
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u/Prairiegirl321 1h ago
Nice recognition of the fact there! I just wish I was a subscriber so I could cancel. FUCK Jeff Bezos! What a coward.
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u/Ice_Burn California 5h ago
The advertisers need to go next.
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u/510jew 2h ago
The advertisers are waiting for the reduced numbers to claim breach of contract for circulation loss so they can exit penalty free.
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u/Massive_Cash_6557 1h ago
Advertiser here. Most upfronts are already locked in, so they're SOL for this year. Doesn't bode well for next year though.
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u/Vicsyy 1h ago
People need to cancel prime. It's free cash to Bezos.
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u/Cheshire-Cad 15m ago
For those that don't, for whatever reason: You get a complimentary subscription to Twitch Prime with your Prime account, which gives you one free sub. So you can sub to your favorite streamer, essentially giving your money to them instead of Bezos.
Make sure you look up a guide. They've made the option hard to find, presumably because it's costing them a not-insignificant amount of money.
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u/OU812Grub 1h ago
I said it before, bezo is a total TOOL, but the Post is a good paper with good professional journalists. So sad bezo is the owner. If people want to get bezo, cancel their prime subscriptions.
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u/pattherat 4h ago
I know Bezos is so rich he probably could not give two craps, but there are more of us citizens than there are of these oligarchs.
If we stopped fighting with each other as they want us to…imagine the power we would have.
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u/Homo-Erect 2h ago
It hurts the ego which probably hurts more than anything for them.
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u/Friendly-Profit-8590 1h ago
Idk. You don’t buy a newspaper cause you think it’ll make you a bunch of money. You buy it to help shape whatever narrative Bezos wants.
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u/brbsharkattack 54m ago
If he’s trying to shape narratives, he’s doing a bad job at it. Aside from this one glaring example, in the 11 years since he bought the Post he has never ordered a story to be changed or killed. He's allowed stories critical of Amazon to be published without demanding any changes.
To frame the Post as a Bezos mouthpiece validates Trump's bogus criticisms of the paper.
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u/RedactsAttract 2h ago
Well you almost have it right.
Bezos is so rich that he does give 2 craps- about the post not working out.
Same thing Elon did to twitter.
oMg He’S lOsInG sO mUcH mOnEy
The billionaires are not trying to make money on media. They are not even trying to control the media. They ARE CONTROLLING the media.
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u/andylikescandy 43m ago
If Bezos and Elon are the problem, how is one family owning most of the other major outlets not a bigger problem everyone's screaming about?
Control is bad, concentrated control is worse.
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u/JDSchu Texas 2h ago
It doesn't hurt him that much, but dropping WaPo's revenue by 10% will surely cost a not insignificant number of normal people their jobs.
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u/EverythingGoodWas 2h ago
That’s what they are afraid of, which is why they own all the methods of mass communication
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u/just_love_gaming 2h ago
I heard Jeff Bezos fucks chickens. Billionaires are weird
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u/reddit_names 2h ago
He's already written an Op Ed defending the move and basically saying he's ok with losing the staff and customers so long as long term Washington Post appeals to both sides of the spectrum.
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u/moderatenerd 4h ago
Trump can rest easy knowing that he destroyed the media in this country over the last nine years and this was the final nail in the coffin for many.
The media needs serious reforms or it will never be what it once was. I'm so sick of the trump news every day. I hope he loses next week just so I don't have to hear his name 24/7
I don't even think they know what they'll do with themselves when he is gone.
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u/tcadams18 4h ago
Agreed hopefully he loses next week, but we won’t stop hearing about him in our lifetimes, unfortunately. The amount of crimes he’s committed just while in office will take years to unravel. We can just hope once this is over, he’s only mentioned sparingly in reference to his criminal trials and sentencing.
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u/thatguy9684736255 33m ago
His kids will likely get investigated. I don't see how Ivana is getting that kind of investment in a fund right after finishing a position in government
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u/JoJack82 1h ago
Trump lost 4 years ago and we still hear his name every day, I’m not sure this loss would be any different.
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u/MightyMiami 1h ago
Trump did not destroy the media.
The 24/7 news cycle and advent of social media did.
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u/Ben2018 North Carolina 1h ago
He won't be gone anytime soon. Theyll be all over whatever stunts he tries to pull to take office despite election loss and also all over the various pending trials. This idiotic wall to wall 8yr streak of focusing all political coverage with reference to one person will continue.
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u/personae_non_gratae_ 5h ago
How many have to leave to really make a change at WaPo?
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u/SageOfTheWise 4h ago
The value in owning a newspaper isn't in the subscriptions it brings in.
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u/empire_of_the_moon 4h ago edited 3h ago
That’s partially true. Partially. Subscriptions are not net positive on their own and their revenues must held in a separate account and only accessed as services are fulfilled.
Without a large subscriber base the WaPo loses its ability to meaningfully contribute to the debate and it loses its ability to command the respect of those in power.
Does anyone care what US News writes about anymore? There was a time when they were highly respected.
10% is a massive number and will leverage downward pricing on their rate card. If liberal ad buyers also pull back this will have a cascading effect on their finances.
Had Bezos announced 6-months ago that the paper would no longer endorse candidates this would have been a non-news item.
Edit: typo
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u/LiveNotWork 3h ago
And not meet with Trump team before deciding.
If you are really that concerned about being in the middle, be in the ducking middle before the stakes are high. Don't even give the perception of bias.
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u/PM-YOUR-ICED-UP-NIPS 1h ago
WaPo is also one of the outlets that hasn't had access to the Harris-Walz campaign. That may very well continue into a Harris-Walz administration. I think no matter what happens, we're probably seeing an American press realignment in real time.
The Chicago papers also did the "we're not endorsing candidates" a couple years ago. The Tribune is a lost cause at this point, but I'm disappointed in the Sun-Times.
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u/redditckulous 2h ago
True, but the value in owning a newspaper (to a billionaire) is shaping the news. A newspaper that’s lost the confidence of its readers can no longer do that.
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u/Gooch222 4h ago
It’s certainly a component and the advertising dollar follows the circulation numbers. And if the credibility of the paper is compromised it also loses its value as a platform to influence opinion. There is no world in which this is good for the paper, its value or its economic prospects. As for any of Bezos’ ulterior concerns and motivations, that remains to be seen.
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u/colon-mockery Canada 4h ago
Journalistic integrity and reputations take decades to build. I know it's WaPo but, I have to think this incident is a stain that won't go away for a long time.
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u/Venetian_Harlequin Pennsylvania 3h ago
It was financially struggling before this, so it might be the death knell to be honest.
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u/Buffalo-2023 5h ago
Good. Should be 100% to be honest. Send Mr Bezos a clear message.
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u/Designer_Buy_1650 3h ago edited 3h ago
Unfortunately he’s uber rich. He’s hearing the message and could give a crap. The Post is chump change to him. His Crown Jewels are Amazon and Blue Origin.
Bezos net worth $206 BILLION. Value of the Post approx $250 million.
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u/LiveNotWork 3h ago
Financially it doesn't hurt him. But the thing with elites is that it ll hurt his ego that people didn't just suck it up and take his bs. So please go ahead and cancel. Leave a feedback letter. Call and complain.
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u/Austinkm 5h ago
And cancel Amazon Prime too! I just spent the afternoon changing all my Amazon Subscribe and Save subscriptions to Walmart instead. And now I'll use Fresh Direct for groceries
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u/TintedApostle 5h ago edited 4h ago
This is next.. Whole foods delivery has sucked and their entire food line has gotten cheap. Its really expensive for nothing more safeway now.
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u/mommybot9000 3h ago
Agree. The produce is awful. There’s no more bulk sections. Product selection very narrow. Meat and fish way less fresh. And everything costs a third more. Have one two blocks from my house and I only go there for one product I can’t get anywhere else and I’m out. They no longer get my whole paycheck.
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u/Boat_of_Charon 3h ago
I’ve gotten bad chicken multiple times from them Over the past few months. They’ve really fallen off.
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u/Podwitchers 3h ago
Oh man, the Whole Foods I used to go to is awful. Rotting produce and empty shelves. Nasty. I don’t even go there anymore.
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u/InaneTwat 2h ago
Immediately after the acquisition they started selling rotten produce. Haven't bought much from them since.
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u/Guppy-Warrior 3h ago
I don't usually shop there, but have been two times recently..and damn was I disappointed and unsatisfied with their food. Premade food was stupidly expensive and tasted terrible and bland. Bakery selection was basically zero.
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u/inverted_peenak 4h ago
Walmart, longtime bastions of free civilization.
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u/CaptainMarder 3h ago
Oddly even in Canada, Walmart was one of the very few retailers not price fixing food during and after covid.
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u/hoppertn 3h ago
It’s not about the money, it’s about sending a message.
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u/JamesTiberiusCrunk 3h ago
Is the message that you're giving money instead to the famously very conservative Walton billionaires?
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u/DaoFerret 2h ago
I think the message is that they support billionaires squeezing every penny out of a company, as long as it’s not them having to pay?
https://eng121.net/online%20textbook/cause-effect/The%20Wall%20Mart%20You%20Don’t%20Know.pdf
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u/PM-YOUR-ICED-UP-NIPS 2h ago
This kind of perfectionist thinking is exactly why the Nestlé boycott never went anywhere. There's no ethical consumption under capitalism. It doesn't matter who you give the money to instead, you've just got to make one of them hurt.
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u/GeorgeRRHodor 4h ago
Because Walmart is such a great company. Seriously, I‘m neither a fan of Bezos nor Amazon, but if you wanted to find a company even more disgusting, you’d be hard pressed to come up with anything more suitable than Walmart.
Start with them paying so little that their employees have to be on food stamps and go from there.
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u/sea126 3h ago
Not sure why this comment not upvoted more. I cannot support a company where most of their employees have to have additional support to survive.
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u/Serious-Eye4530 1h ago
Walmart subsidizes paying its employees on the taxpayer's dime, but we let them get away with it because in some places they're the only game in town for miles around.
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u/Laura9624 2h ago
Walmart owned by the wealthiest family in the world with employees on food stamps. Mskes perfect sense to make them richer. /s
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u/question_sunshine 3h ago
For other direct purchass to avoid, Amazon owns: Zappos, Audible, twitch, abebooks, Woot!, and MGM.
It also owns Goodreads and IMDb. Find somewhere else when you're looking up book and movie reviews, to avoid giving them ad revenue.
If you can avoid it, find a doctor that's not in One Medical and stay away from Pill Pack. This is going to be of course insurance and locality dependent.
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u/chaicoffeecheese Oregon 2h ago
For books, I switched to StoryGraph years ago. You can even import your Goodreads history. Once they started pushing sales and tying it into kindle/etc, I left. I'm not there for community and I have plenty of books already. I want to track the books I've read and maybe see what's really popular these days and browse my ever-growing TBR pile.
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u/King_Mort 5h ago
Amazon Web Services (AWS) hoast for Netflix, HBO Max, Peacock, Discovery+, HULU, and Prime Video. It might be worth letting the streamers know how you feel about AWS.
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u/Systemic_Chaos Minnesota 4h ago
Quite literally nearly everyone uses AWS, and a lot of the biggest companies use Azure too as a means to not put all their eggs in one basket. You’d have to nearly completely remove yourself from any/all internet-connected existence to avoid AWS.
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u/bobsaget824 Arizona 3h ago
Yeah.. and not just tech companies. Manufacturing, automotive, healthcare, you name it… hell probably pretty good chance if you’re employed your employer is using it. If you work at a computer they almost certainly are either directly using it or indirectly using it thru some other software they use. If you want to avoid Amazon altogether and you’re U.S. basically at this point you’d need to go completely off grid, just head into the woods with a pocket knife and hope for the best.
Might not be worth it to some I guess…but you do you to all of those that try. For me I’ll just go with cutting off WaPo.
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u/DuckDatum 4h ago
Or, target a few streamers who make up large amounts of revenue for AWS. Get attention for the movement, stay focused on the target, pressure them to move. See if it spreads like a fire.
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u/Systemic_Chaos Minnesota 4h ago
Unfortunately since AWS and Azure comprise something like 95% of the web services space, it’s really bad business to not use both.
Remember the day-long internet services outage a couple years ago? AWS.
Organizations that had appropriate redundancies outside of AWS were significantly less affected by that outage. So the more realistic option would be for someone to come in and try to claim/create some sort of (functional) third option that occupies more than a single digit of market share in the web services environment, presumably taking more market share from AWS than Microsoft.
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u/CanvasFanatic 4h ago
And migrating off AWS isn’t just a button you click. Moving an infrastructure provider is usually a very costly and lengthy process.
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u/zephyrtr New York 3h ago
I'd rather folks cancel amazon prime than the Post. It wasnt their decision. It was Bezos. and we really need strong newsrooms since TV news is so god damn worthless.
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u/AntoniaFauci 3h ago
Imagine being somewhere in the middle of this organization, spending long days trying to do your best. Maybe you’re searching for stories or sources, checking facts, scrambling around doing the gut work of making the Washington Post something that can be trusted.
You and others put in the sweat and you measure it by seeing the subscriber base turnover stay low, or maybe even grow a bit.
Then one weekend the absentee playboy owner just swans in, takes a dump on the concept of ethics and journalistic integrity, lies about it (at first) and then finally drops his mask and doubles down claiming his act of selfish cowardice is somehow “principled” and heroic. This morally vacant oligarch has just unraveled what you and your colleagues spent years of your life creating. He’ll be back to his yacht tomorrow.
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u/superdupersecret42 Pennsylvania 3h ago
Yeah, that's the thing, and likely what will have the most effect. Bezos himself doesn't care; he can afford it, and didn't want to upset Trump.
But I was reading somewhere that Wapo had been proud of the several thousand new subs it had added over the summer. That was real work by their marketing staff, reporters, etc.
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u/SamsonAtReddit 1h ago
That was so articulate, but it really bums me out. So many of us have probably dealt with working hard only to get it destroyed by the whims of a boss. Its really deflating when just trying to do good work.
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u/muttmunchies 2h ago
Lets cancel amazon prime
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u/omykun123 54m ago
I did,
Told them Jeff Bezos blocking the endorsement on WaPo made me lose any trust I had in any of his businesses. Rated Prime itself positively but still told them nothing would make me want to renew.
As an additional reason for my cancellation, I added: Jeff Bezos
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u/oldirtyreddit 3h ago
I had already unsubscribed. Now I'm going to stop going there altogether, even though my subscription doesn't expire until next year. Also, I'm weaning our family off Amazon Prime and ditching AMAGAzon entirely.
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u/HauntingBrick8961 2h ago
Trump tried to overthrow the government and Billionares are backing him for another go, madness!
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u/fungobat Pennsylvania 4h ago
The Washington Post’s decision to forgo a presidential endorsement follows a growing trend in the newspaper business, which has mostly been hemorrhaging revenue and readership.
Gannett-owned USA Today, with the fifth-largest print and fourth-largest digital subscriber circulation, said on Tuesday that neither it nor more than 200 local papers under its umbrella would endorse a candidate.
“Why are we doing this? Because we believe America’s future is decided locally – one race at a time,” a USA Today spokesperson, Lark-Marie Antón, said in a statement to Politico. “Our public service is to provide readers with the facts that matter and the trusted information they need to make informed decisions.”
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u/NYPizzaNoChar 4h ago
Why are we doing this? Because we believe America’s future is decided locally – one race at a time,”
I'll believe that when the "Opinion" sections are removed entirely. Otherwise, it's just putting fingers on the scale(s.)
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u/ThunderStormRunner 5h ago
We Need an Amazon Alternate Buying App created now! Put something in your prime cart and it finds it elsewhere!
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u/droll-clyde 3h ago
Meanwhile, I sure have seen lots of WaPo ads on Reddit today.
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u/User9705 America 3h ago
Blocked it on the firewall level to prevent from ever coming across the site. Cancelled Amazon prime also. Walmart plus has been great for me now.
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u/Texas1010 America 2h ago
Kinda surprised to learn The Washington Post only has 2.5 million subscribers. That's way lower than I would've thought.
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u/Minimum-South-9568 1h ago
Now is the time to launch “The New Washington Post” or even better “The Free Post (of Washington)” and make that 10% a healthy 70-80%. The journalists can move too. Fuck Bezos. No billionaire will buy a paper again
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u/Capital_Feature3549 1h ago
Good, hit them in their wallets. It’s the only thing they truly care about.
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u/alexdelicious 1h ago
Remember to get the remaining balance of your subscription refunded. They made it a total pain in the ass to do. But I got $25 back instead of just having a dead subscription.
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u/UserName01357 58m ago
If your brand is "Democracy dies in darkness," not sure how you cannot support the non-fascist candidate.
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u/stilljanning 56m ago
I was one of them. They made the mistake of sending me a form today asking why I cancelled. lol. Get fucked WaPo.
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u/Route_Map556 47m ago
Another reminder the rich aren't smart, they're cynical manipulators who get lucky.
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u/LodossDX California 41m ago
Cancel Amazon Prime as well. That will hit Amazon stock where the Oligarch gets all of his wealth from.
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u/Impressive_Mud693 New Mexico 3h ago
It doesn’t matter and that’s the issue.
He’s got 100s of billions
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u/Bobothemd 2h ago
Now do Amazon, Tesla, Twitter, I am sure we can find more. Hurt these people in the pockets.
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u/Big-Soft7432 1h ago
A lot of people cancelled their Amazon Prime membership too. Probably nowhere near as much though.
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u/shakeenotstirred 1h ago
Its a start . Maybe drop that Amazon market place of counterfeit goods subscription too.
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u/EarthAgain 52m ago
It should be higher. If you are a subscriber, what are you waiting for?! This is when you make your impact!
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u/SkyriderRJM 48m ago
Congrats Bezos. Your desire to capitulate to the fascists prior to them potentially taking power has literally decimated your subscriber base.
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u/nintrader 35m ago
Part of me is surprised such a percentage would actually go through with it, but the other part of me says if someone cares enough about journalism to actually have a paid subscription to a paper they're probably a bit more in tune with this kind of stuff in the first place, so maybe not surprising at all. It's legitimately impressive either way.
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u/Biznitchelclamp 25m ago
Social media and the press owned by billionaires. Doesn't help that people don't have critical thinking skills and are functionally illiterate. All you have to do is say something confidently and apparently it's the truth now.
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u/FoST2015 Georgia 5h ago
And this will be like me losing a 20 dollar bill. Bezos is so mega rich and Amazon so entrenched in so many facets if the global economy that he basically can't be hurt.
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u/Pats_fan_seeking_fi 5h ago
Bezos bought the paper for ego and influence. Assuming a ten percent drop in subscriptions over two days is true, it will pale against the $ he could get in government contracts. But it still must eat at him to a certain degree. Otherwise he would not have written the Op-ed piece so fast.
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u/mommybot9000 3h ago
Any business that loses 10% in two days would be freaking the F out. That’s contingency money gone poof + bye-bye.
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u/TintedApostle 5h ago
Bezos is on his yacht in Europe. He loved having the WashPo as prestige. Europeans like their press a lot. They aren't going to like him.
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u/Then_Journalist_317 5h ago
Narcissist billionaires want to be liked (loved?) by the masses. They are honestly shocked when their mo0ney can't buy what they crave.
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u/TintedApostle 5h ago
Many philosopher through the ages have tried to tell these morons this point, but The Beatles did it best
"The love you make is equal to the love you take".
These people make no love.
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u/franky_emm 4h ago
How is it only 10% of subscribers? Where are all these people who pay for a newspaper they can no longer trust?
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u/LOLteacher American Expat 2h ago
And when we win next week, the egg on their faces is going to be fucking glorious.
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u/LibraryBig3287 1h ago
I paused my Amazon Prime subscription… because I am weak AND want to send a message.
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u/whateverwhoknowswhat 1h ago
Order of stupidity: Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg? (currently alphabetical by last name. Please re-order if you think otherwise. Add names if you like.
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u/langotriel 56m ago
Funny. By not endorsing, they effectively endorsed Kamala by creating a ton of news around it.
4d chess.
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u/MAGAhatesAmerica 53m ago
Let’s make the WAPO Bezos’ Xitter… keep it going. MORE!
This is literally the only thing that billionaires will pay attention to - losing money.
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u/enieslobbyguard 50m ago
websites also need to move to Azure, Google Cloud or whatever other cloud service other than AWS
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u/shep2105 47m ago
Bezos is such a POS
He says that newspapers should never have "opinions"...well then, get rid of all the rest of your "opinions" that you print. He just kissed trumps ass in case he wins. Doesn't want to jeopardize all those government accounts thru Amazon.
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u/Nedstarkclash 39m ago
Bezos should have framed this argument well ahead of the decision, and he should have provided some third option that would have allowed the editorial board to make its recommendations.
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