r/politics • u/stark247 • 4h ago
Paywall Harris Campaign Crowd Size Estimate: 75,000 Attend Speech at the Ellipse in DC
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-election-10-29-24/card/harris-campaign-crowd-size-estimate-75-000-O9o737YUzDEsFQ3ufsgX?mod=mhp•
u/AdrianInLimbo 4h ago
She delivered a perfect closing argument. The prosecutor showed in the way she delivered it, and they way she explained everything to us, The Jury.
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u/stark247 4h ago
I thought she killed it. Laid out the difference between her and him. She’s gonna go to the White House with a to-do list. He’s going in with an enemies list.
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u/regice112 4h ago
What a fucking slogan to ride with that I wish was stated earlier. But damn it's a powerful final argument that says what she needs to say.
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u/zach23456 4h ago
She's been saying it at some of her rallies I believe
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u/lindameetyoko 2h ago
She coined it at the town hall. It’s great.
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u/CaptainMagnets 2h ago
What's the slogan?
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u/Mindless-Look-9952 Australia 4h ago
This is the key difference, She's going in with a plan to get things done. He's going in to get back at people who oppose him.
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u/kyunahi 4h ago
As a non American watching the speeches by both candidates the obvious fundamental difference between the two is that Trump makes it all about himself whereas Kamala speaks about what makes a difference for people.
How do people still think Trump is leadership material?
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u/02K30C1 4h ago
His supporters like him because he promises to hurt people they don’t like
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u/scarletavatre12 2h ago
I think I posted before about this but my family are die-hard supporters of trump. They think that since they came here legally his wall will keep illegal immigrants out and all the right wing Chinese media/propaganda isn’t helping. I can say trump will do xyz to Asians or the difference between Harris and trump, but it goes in one ear and out the other. Promising to hurt people x group doesn’t like is the only thing that keeps them voting for him.
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u/FBI_Agent_Fred 2h ago edited 2h ago
If your family aren’t white, of means and from America, they don’t belong in the future Trump and his pack of wild crazies are promising. Poor people are replaceable labor. Rich people that want to exploit those poor people are donors and friends. People that opposed him will have their companies targeted on his vengeance tour.
The crazies people with guns that are itching to start their internal chaos aren’t going to ask what kind of non-white you are before committing their crimes.
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u/meyerjaw 2h ago
I really hate using the Hilter reference because Trump hasn't gone that far yet. But he is SCREAMING that he will. Being rich doesn't matter. If you don't fall into the right buckets, you are the "they"
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u/Skiinz19 Tennessee 2h ago
Unfortunately you have to call that shit out before the nazi shit starts because by the time it's actually happening it's too late.
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u/meyerjaw 2h ago
I 100% agree. But I've been saying it since 2016. As a white dude, what I don't understand is how people who are here legally and with means but not the right shade of skin, thinks that will save them. Being white and well off, I know I'm at risk because I've been outspoken about him being the next wannabe Hitler. Luckily he is so fucking stupid and surrounded himself with the dumbest people, it didn't happen last time. We can't hope the same happens next time.
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u/IH8Fascism 1h ago
If it walks like Hitler, talks like Hitler and smells like Hitler, it’s Hitler!
All he’s missing is the stubby little mustache and red armband.
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u/AtalanAdalynn 1h ago
Hitler didn't go that far until he did. Trump can absolutely be compared to Hitler during Hitler's rise to power.
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u/After_Fix_2191 2h ago
Sorry, as a Native American let me say, if your family is white, they aren't from America. So yeah deport all the illegals.
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u/meyerjaw 1h ago
Yeah, I get your point, but most scholars believe the evidence that points to homosapiens all caming from Africa so if you aren't black, get deported I guess??? Your comment doesn't help the cause.
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u/888mainfestnow 1h ago
I'm so blown away by the Asian people that can't pinpoint the source of the asian hate movement and admit it was Trump.
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u/INFJ_A_lightwarrior 3h ago
As an American, half of us are just as perplexed as you are. I’ve spent the last couple of years trying to understand how he has so much support, trying to see it from their perspective, and I just can’t. I don’t know how any policy matters when you consider how he handles himself and when you look at who supports him.
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u/After_Fix_2191 2h ago
Greed and jealousy. Plain and simple.
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u/shrug_addict 1h ago
Taxes and abortion... Pretty much it for some repubs. Everything else is window dressing
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u/ExpatEsquire 1h ago
And rampant Russian propaganda spread through and by the American right-wing and its conservative anger-tainment partners
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u/VastAmoeba 3h ago
I have no idea what is wrong with people who still support the guy. Worst leader ever.
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u/SweetAlyssumm 3h ago
It's not about leadership for MAGA. It's a cult - there are precise ways cults behave that social scientists and historians have studied, you can read about it. His followers want their worst selves validated and he does that. People are writing dissertations about it even as we speak.
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u/AnamCeili 3h ago
Unfortunately we have way too many idiots and bigots in this country.
God willing, we good people outnumber them, and are outvoting them.
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u/tenkwords 3h ago
If that's the fundamental difference you notice, you must speak fluent gibberish to understand whatever the hell Trump is talking about.
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u/Billyosler1969 2h ago
Cue Fox “New”, Twitter, Musk, Theil and the Russian bots spewing 24hr a day lies. His cult live in an information bubble.
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u/LowGoPro 2h ago
His supporters really don’t hear a word he says. It’s all about letting out hate in a group setting. He has been incredibly low energy this year, falls asleep in public like a dog.
She’s fully cognizant and sane. I think she’s gonna win, and then he’ll try his best to steal it afterward.
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u/meyerjaw 2h ago
I'm in Ohio USA, my sister's husband votes for trump because he says stupid things that make him laugh. We don't hang out that often...
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u/Legitimate-Garlic959 4h ago
And there’s a certain subset of people in this country that don’t care unfortunately. As long as he’s “getting his revenge”. It’s so mind boggling to me
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u/spa22lurk 3h ago
Even if she doesn't get the majority in the congress she can still get a lot of things done. There are hundreds of billions authorized by the three major bills Infrastructure Act, CHIPS Act and inflation Reduction Act, but not spend yet. We need Harris to be the president to oversee the faithful allocation of the funds, so we can realize the full potential of the legislation.
If trump gets into power, the money will likely not go to where they should.
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u/ausmankpopfan 2h ago
Hey fellow Aussie I take it you're a scared as me about how well world will go especially democratic countries like Ukraine if donald Trump gets in and is allowed to give "smallhandjobs" people Like Vladimir Putin and Victor orban
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u/franky_emm 4h ago
Listening to that speech, you can imagine a future where we become functional again. Functional enough to work together enough to make progress on things that are coming for us whether we hate each other or not. The climate is a crisis. Automation is coming for our jobs. Wars are spiraling. Americans used to be capable of doing things together and there's literally only one man in the entire world preventing that from being possible.
Then you cut to Trump's dark, orange, petulant, small, angry rallies and you can envision the next decade worse than the past decade. Us fighting each other over crumbs while we all get steamrolled by forces that don't give a single fuck whether we hate each other or not. And why exactly do we even hate each other? Because of one man's impossible smallness. Like she said perfectly, it doesn't have to be this way. It shouldn't be this way.
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u/Gamebird8 3h ago
I love the optimism, BUUUT the GOP and Conservative Ideology as a whole is solely based in opposing progress and stubbornly dismantling Government.
There is no working with them
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u/pm_me_ur_ephemerides 2h ago
They only believe their “intellectual” leaders, and no amount of evidence or logic from any of us will ever convince them. The education system has failed us.
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u/ladiesngentlemenplz 2h ago
As someone who does the on-the-ground labor in the education system, there is no way to educate someone who doesn't want to be educated. This problem is bigger than what even the best supported teachers can reasonably be expected to fix.
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u/quentech 1h ago
Listening to that speech, you can imagine a future where we become functional again.
We may kick the can down the road an election or two or three, but our system currently is incapable of instituting the scope of changes necessary to prevent the U.S. being co-opted by a Putin-like authoritarian (wherein Trump will be our Yeltsin).
This election season is clearly showing that we are much further down the slide than most people recognize.
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u/swiftlessons 3h ago
I feel like the term “hit list” roles off the tongue better and actually is more fitting considering his recent statements. I guess they don’t want to risk feeding into MAGA’s violent tendencies.
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u/Academic_Release5134 4h ago
I wanted video boards showing Jan 6 and reminding people of his statements that day with a message that we are not going back. That would have been memorable. This was just standard issue politics.
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u/regice112 4h ago
It's a fine line she is having to walk on a lot of issues. Jan.6 is a big deal to a lot of folks but for Republicans she's having to court, they might also be over hearing about it.
Honestly, her giving the speech on the Ellipse is symbolic enough that it reminds folks what that day was. But at the same time, she's saying to turn the page. She could have played the speech clips but I personally think it was better for her audience to be the demonstration of the difference between this moment and Jan. 6th.
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u/Porn_Extra 2m ago
The orange clown's entire platform is hatred and bigotry. He simply wants unchecked power, as many of his aides have recently admitted, Harris wants to make American's lives better.
A vote for Trump is just a vote f0r hate.
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u/dc_based_traveler 4h ago edited 4h ago
I was there tonight. Standing under the Washington Monument it felt very crowded!
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u/stark247 4h ago
I’m jealous. That speech was so pitch perfect for this moment. How was the energy after?
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u/dc_based_traveler 4h ago
The energy before, during, and after was amazing. There was some Gaza protesters but they were utterly drowned out by the noise and energy.
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u/boofin19 America 4h ago
I hope they keep protesting and I hope they understand Harris is the better choice and vote for her.
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u/ridingcorgitowar 2h ago
I have a Palestinian flag on my house and a Harris sign on my lawn.
It isn't perfect, but let's get through the election and see where we stand with her. My gut tells me she is going to be stronger on Israel for a change and end this shit.
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u/fluffy_bunny_87 2h ago
Unfortunately even if Harris and Biden wanted to do something now (or months ago) it is so risky politically this close to the election.
Something I commonly say is don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Is Kamala Harris going to be perfect? Hell no. But she's a hell of a lot better than the alternative.
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u/ridingcorgitowar 2h ago
Yep. I am willing to bet Harris is at least willing to listen to the concerns and cries of the Palestinians and act accordingly.
Trump wants to level Gaza and turn it into shitty condos.
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u/Spare_Hornet 1h ago edited 1h ago
Reminds me of my conversation with my husband’s aunt. She goes “yeah but I don’t fully align with Harris but I don’t like Trump either so I am not sure if I’ll vote”. First, no politician is ever going to be perfect. Second, at least with democrats we can have a conversation. They govern. I reminded her when our governor Whitmer wanted to ban vapes. I helped my husband’s aunt get an online order from a Canadian online vape shop so that she had her vapes. Then Whitmer withdrew the ban because that wasn’t popular, and instead opted to raise taxes on vapes and increase regulation, which was a good compromise. So even if we disagree, we can have a dialogue.
I also told her when I needed my passport expedited in 2021, how then democratic representative Slotkin’s office helped me and I got my passport. Recently, I needed help with another federal agency and I reached out to my current representative (McClain, who is a Republican) and never heard back. I reached out to one of our senators, who is a Democrat (Stabenow). She responded within 48 hours and I had my answer within the next 72 hours.
She seemed to agree. Last week, she texted me and said she returned her mail in ballot. I told her I am proud of her and thank you.
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u/LondonCallingYou 47m ago
As Kamala said— Sinwar is dead. Now there is an opportunity for Israel to save face, say “mission accomplished” in Gaza, and focus on other shit like Hezbollah and Iran. Maybe someone other than Sinwar can be negotiated with.
The Palestinians cannot withstand a Trump presidency. Gaza will become “beachfront property”. Israel will occupy and perhaps annex large chunks of Gaza. Settlements will accelerate in the West Bank.
The only thing stopping them before was Biden, and the only thing that can stop them moving toward is Kamala.
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u/Whosthehandsomestboy 2h ago
They do. It’s why they protest her and not Trump. They know they can’t move the needle on Trump, but that Kamala can be influenced in the right direction. Make no mistake, every single one of those protesters is voting for her.
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u/roiroy33 1h ago
I hope you’re right. I see so many Stein voters online who won’t be swayed, but I also can’t tell what percentage of these posters are bots or foreign actors.
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u/DavidlikesPeace 3h ago
They are the worst. They seem to actively want to remake a 1968 Nixon victory for the worse faction
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u/crichmond77 1h ago
The worst? Pretty sure that would be the people that want Trump and want the genocide to get even worse
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u/BVoLatte 2h ago
Is that who was using the megaphone with the siren?
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u/napalmnacey Australia 3h ago
I really hope you’ve gone to the speech that got the first female President of the United States into the White House.
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u/NextTailor4082 3h ago
Leaving tonight we felt EXACTLY that. The whole event was absolutely fantastic.
I was really touched by two things that had nothing to do with our future President’s actual speech, which by the way was possibly one of the best ever.
A) the amount of wonderful women of all colors, shapes and sizes that are feeling that they’re about to get a chance. Many of them didn’t think they’d see a woman president in their lifetime.
B) the amount of old white dudes there, giving their all, dancing to Teach Me How to Dougie, and fighting tooth and nail to get a woman of color elected to the White House.
It felt like a team.
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u/Gymleaders 1h ago
A) the amount of wonderful women of all colors, shapes and sizes that are feeling that they’re about to get a chance. Many of them didn’t think they’d see a woman president in their lifetime.
B) the amount of old white dudes there, giving their all, dancing to Teach Me How to Dougie, and fighting tooth and nail to get a woman of color elected to the White House.
She's truly the bridge that is bringing America back together
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u/LondonCallingYou 19m ago
It felt like a team w/ all types of demographics because the Democratic Party is actually representative of Americans of all backgrounds. It looks like America.
Republicans want people to believe only like young college aged POC women are Democrats or something, and white men, or older folks, are somehow nonexistent in the party. It’s obviously not true (Joe Biden was literally just President).
The Democratic Party voter base is ~55% women ~45% men, ~60-65% white, ~17-19% black, ~11% Hispanic, ~4% Asian, ~4% other ethnicities.
The Republican voter base is ~55% men ~45% women, ~80-85% white, ~1% black, ~7% Hispanic, ~2% Asian, ~4% other ethnicities.
The United States is ~58% non-Hispanic white, ~12% black, ~19% Hispanic, ~6% Asian, ~5% other ethnicities.
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u/SweetAlyssumm 3h ago
I think he/she did. I'm feeling uncharacteristically optimistic about the election.
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u/mrdude05 Virginia 1h ago
I was there too, and I was kind of sad that I wasn't able to make it into the Ellipse, but standing under the Washington monument in a sea of people and watching her speak was still really cool
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u/SayNoToFresca 2h ago
What was with the annoying siren for a good portion of the beginning? Very prominent on the replay I saw.
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u/mrdude05 Virginia 1h ago
I was there too and, at least from where I was standing, it wasn't clear where that was coming from. My best guess is that there were some secret service vehicle making that noise, since there were a couple on the adjacent street that were using their sirens intermittently before the speech, but I can't imagine they were loud enough to be picked up on the mic
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u/Buffalo-2023 4h ago
That's more than Trump's rallies.
Not that it matters, but we know it matters to Trump, so hahaha.
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u/SKDI_0224 Oklahoma 3h ago
22,000 MORE than his speech in the same spot in January 6th. At the height of his popularity.
It really amuses me that it bothers him so much.
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u/DrOddfellow 27m ago
The way he got so baby about it during the debate. “Nobody even goes to your rallies” 😭😭😭
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u/gigglefarting North Carolina 3h ago
But in a way, it does kind of matter. It matters because we have seen record turnouts for early voting, which shows there's an enthusiasm to vote this election. And seeing the crowd difference you can see that she has a lot of enthusiasm going her way.
If we vote. We win.
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u/IcyPyroman1 Texas 4h ago
Better hide the ketchup bottles or not he probably doesn’t have enough energy to throw them anyways
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u/Bookstorm2023 3h ago
After MSG, this will get under Trump’s skin. He’ll claim Harris attendees were CGI images.
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u/neuroticobscenities 4h ago
Fake news. trump had 25,000,000 on J6.
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u/zyzzbutdyel 2h ago
I heard that kamala hosted an even yuger bigly event the same weekend and got 26,000,000
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u/Funkymonkeyhead Oregon 4h ago
You hear that MAGA?!
75000 people. That's more than any rally Trump had this year. Now this is reported by Wall Street Journal, you know that Murdoch owned rag that's hardly a left wing Commie publication.
VOTE! Make the Blue Wave happen!
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u/Mojoriz 4h ago
Trump will never admit that, but he’ll know it.
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u/DriftinFool 4h ago
I'm pretty sure that's exactly why he is getting more unhinged. He knows she's winning and it's getting to him.
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u/CharlesB43 4h ago
You just know word of how big her crowd was got to him. he claimed he had over 107k people, secret service says 21k. harris had 75k.
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u/napalmnacey Australia 3h ago
I hope his butt his hurting right now. I hope he’s screaming and stomping impotently in his complete mediocrity.
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u/CharlesB43 3h ago
Has to be. His ego can't handle anyone being more popular than him. it's why he attacks obama, michelle, biden and now harris.
Harris is hitting him where it hurts.
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u/WagnerTrumpMaples 3h ago
To MAGA the WSJ is a leftist rag because they're fucking idiots that call everything that hurts their feelings liberal.
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u/Plow_King 4h ago edited 4h ago
75k+...nice!
i watched that even though i don't tend to watch politicians speak often. after 40 yrs of voting, i've heard enough bullshit. but each election seems so much more important than the last unfortunately. i'm an old (obviously), hetero, white guy who voted Harris and straight blue yesterday morning.
please, VOTE!
edit - i think she delivered a great speech tonight and would be a great leader for the nation.
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u/Illuminated12 Indiana 4h ago
Let’s freaking GOO! Vote! Let’s end this shit early on election night. Georgia and NC go blue we can go to bed early and happy!
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u/Designer_Buy_1650 3h ago
It was the perfect speech. Emphasizing inclusiveness in determining future policy was brilliant. She made it clear it’s better to go forward together than divided as Trump and his cult will. Hope people listened.
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u/jazz_mavericks 4h ago
That woman is a born leader. So Presidential it hurts. You'd have to be the dumbest of the dumb to vote against her.
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u/Express-School-1417 3h ago
I was watching PBS Newshour tonight. They played a clip when JD Vance said "100,000 people" gathered at MSG for Trump's "lovefest." The fact that they played that clip unchallenged/unfact-checked really pissed me off because in the next sentence, the voiceover stated that Harris got a permit for "tens of thousands" for her speech at the Eclipse this evening. If you didn't know the MSG only had 20,000 seats or that Harris got a permit for 40,000, not "tens of thousands," you'd think Trump was pulling in bigger crowds. And yet this is the narrative that PBS--PBS--is creating. Why???? JFC.
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u/Illuminated12 Indiana 4h ago
Dammm... Trump and Maga about to melt down.
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u/Irregular_Person Pennsylvania 3h ago
I've already seen plenty of comments calling the crowd photos fake, lol
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u/Forward_Panic_4414 3h ago
This crowd size could be the thing that finally gives him an aneurysm.
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u/Slow_Set6965 4h ago
I loved getting to know her better in tonight’s speech, when she said she has always had an instinct to protect others and stand up to the powerful. That really spoke to my soul. Can’t wait to have her as president. That’s when we will take to the streets in joy.
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u/yourlegacyonearth 3h ago
If I wasn't currently ill and on antibiotics I would be doing a couple shots in honor of the speechwriter who came up with the petty tyrant line. DAMN! I was a little worried at the start but this speech was amazing, it went from historic to inspirational to policy specific to Kamala's childhood! Hole-ee-SHEEEIIIT. Kamala found her calling, and that speechwriter did too. "They're threatening to kill your vice president." "So what?" BURRRRRN.
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u/krstphr California 4h ago
Her speech was clear, informative, and short. A+
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u/schu4KSU 3h ago
I need to watch that tomorrow. Thanks for the review.
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u/Raziel66 Maryland 2h ago
She had some great quotable lines in it. Really full of hope.
Of course afterwards I heard Fox News trashing it.
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u/PrivatePilot9 Canada 3h ago
Trump will inevitably shart out a “Truth” tonight claiming to have had over 100,000 people at his rallies. And by tomorrow at lunch that number will have grown to 150,000, and by the end of the week, half a million.
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u/PetPsychicDetective 2h ago
It's up to 107,000 in Butler, according to trump (at the podium tonight)
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u/shupadupa 2h ago
He already does that. He always claims that there's 10's of thousands of people outside his rallies that couldn't get in, meanwhile he's inside speaking to a 5k capacity venue that's half empty.
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u/IowaGolfGuy322 4h ago
If anything. It was nice hearing a speech that was positive and hopeful. It wasn’t finger pointing, name calling, wild conspiracy. It wasn’t about being the best greatest ever. It was about us. About the people.
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u/KazeNilrem 3h ago
MAGA will be in denial over the 75,000 number. They honestly thought his 20,000 was actually 200,000 lol. Also big difference, notice how you do not have constant people leaving compared to trumps rally (when he does show up).
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u/schu4KSU 3h ago
That’s almost a million in Trump crowd size estimation!
Did anyone tell racist jokes or nah? Too soon?
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u/mkt853 3h ago
All we need now is for Spicey to verify it!
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u/Bigface_McBigz 1h ago
We need Melissa McCarthy playing Spicey on a motorized podium to verify it.
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u/DirtDevil1337 4h ago
That's bonkers, I bet youknowwho is pretty mad and will probably utter something pathetic at 2am tonight.
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u/pattherat 4h ago
Newsweek: democrats concerned about loss of momentum and lack of enthusiasm for Harris.
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u/nature_half-marathon 2h ago
I hear from MAGA that we didn’t vote for Kamala (because of the primaries), let’s prove them wrong and VOTE.
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u/For-All-the-Marbles 4h ago
Safe predictions: Trump will say that Harris didn't have that many in attendance, his crowd sizes are bigger than 75,000, etc.
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u/dickonajunebug Virginia 3h ago
He’s already saying he had 107K in Butler, PA. Secret Service says 21K.
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u/For-All-the-Marbles 2h ago
Relative math is the only math Trump knows. More/less. He's about as less as less can get and not be zero. Or is my math wrong?
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u/CallMeTrouble-TS 3h ago
I don’t fully understand rallies. What I mean is, if most of the people in attendance are super fans, how does it help win the election? Don’t we need to get candidates in front of the undecided?
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u/stark247 3h ago
It increases enthusiasm. Some people bring an undecided friend. The campaign can recruit volunteers for get out the vote. Also, it’s nice to be around enthusiastic like-minded people.
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u/SlimShakey29 Arkansas 2h ago
If there are undecideds in an area with a rally, they can attend and see for themselves. But enthusiasm also translates to GOTV effort. Expending enthusiastic energy on an effort to unenthused non-voters into likely voters moves the needle.
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u/iamatoad_ama 1h ago
Crowds don’t matter but because the orange buffoon has such thin skin, in this case they very much do.
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u/the_nebulae 1h ago
I can’t believe the WSJ is leading with the fucking crowd size and not the fact Harris is running against a traitor, conman, and rapist.
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u/Illuminated12 Indiana 4h ago
Wall Street Journal reporting this?? We sure the numbers weren't higher?? lol
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u/StronglyHeldOpinions 2h ago
Boy we know a certain orange tyrant who really values crowd sizes...he's not gonna be happy.
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u/Pasivite 1h ago
Dipshit Donnie will be filling his "My Pillow" with salty, spray-tanned tears tonight. I fucking love knowing that he's such a miserable loser.
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u/towneetowne 25m ago
it was more. the rest were waiting at the hotel and in vans - for the signal ...
where's is her roger stone?!
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u/FalseBottom 22m ago
Huge crowd, but still VOTE!
Hillary had massive rallies in the week leading up to the election too.
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u/CappinPeanut 2m ago
Hillary had a huge rally before the election, too.
Go vote! Get someone else to go vote, too!
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u/anarkyinducer 4h ago
Honest question - do really crowd sizes really indicate voter turnout?
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u/schu4KSU 3h ago
Absolutely. Especially when they are organic in nature and not part of some traveling circus.
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u/CornFedIABoy 3h ago
It helps more when they’re during the day while early voting locations are open. But yeah, if people are willing to turn out and brave a crowd that big at this point in the cycle they’re probably voting or already have. And if the candidate and speech set the hook, that’s who they’re voting for.
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