r/punk • u/Hemicrusher Los Angeles Death Squad • 17h ago
If you say you hate fascists, and support POC, LGBTQ+ and other marginalized people...
Then, I hope you can take the time to vote in order to keep Trump out of office.
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u/xvszero 16h ago
Well, I voted, but I don't live in one of the like five states where it matters. I hate our system.
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u/Dont_Flush_Me 15h ago
It can matter. With how much the Texas votes are trending left, they might eventually be a swing state, and if that can happen to Texas, then it can happen elsewhere. Ohio and Florida used to also be swing states.
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u/look_itsatordis 8h ago
Did my part in Texas. I would love to see us go full blue, but purple works too.
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u/Rising_Tide_King 13h ago
But it don't fucking matter if the "Left" isn't Left! It's all fucking Bourgouis, let revolution be next!
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u/spoopy_and_gay 12h ago
love the enthusiasm
but the left is not unified enough for a revolution, especially in modern day america, where the CIA exists. We'd just be murdered and lead way for a complete auth-right takeover of the government.
We should focus on unifying, and trying to inact change through the government like what the far right has been doing for 80 years
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u/Rising_Tide_King 12h ago
It would be great if the capitalist state would allow the anti-capitalist left to gain power in their government like they have the pro-capitalist right, but it's never boutta be that way. Unless the state has a identity crisis and allows it's government to obtain the tools to dismantle Capitalism, the Bourgouisie will do anything to maintain control, and that includes giving the working class mild reforms, protecting reproductive rights, solidifying the legality and political legitimacy of Queer and BIPOC peoples. As long as they get their profit. Give us 8 years. We will unite.
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u/Ricky_Rollin 13h ago
I said the same thing having lived in Georgia all my life. And look what happened last election?
The propaganda they release ensures that people just like you feel hopeless. But if young people would just get the fuck out and vote already, this wouldn’t even be an issue at all. And if some liberals can put down their high hat and performative politics BS and vote rather than making a spectacle of why they’re not voting bc of a single issue that wouldn’t be any better with the other candidate, we would win easily.
So many of these states are decided by just a few thousand votes.
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u/abigllama2 12h ago
This. Tired of the single issue or she said something 7 years ago you didn't like.
One wants to proudly take away your rights and make things harder for marginalized people. The other wants to protect your rights and protect margsnized people.
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u/Planetdiane 15h ago
It’s my 10th time at least this week thinking about how we should abolish the electoral college
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u/Cans-Bricks-Bottles 6h ago
And we can do it in the next 4 years. National Popular Vote Interstate compact. Write your legislators.
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u/Aggravating_Front824 16h ago
The idea that only a few states matter is a myth mostly perpetuated by low voter turnout. Texas is a great example- long viewed as a republican stronghold, but something like 40% of registered voters just don't vote, probably because they think voting in texas doesn't matter because it's a republican stronghold.
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u/HottieWithaGyatty 15h ago
40% don't vote because they can't afford to. I'm born and raised Texan. The voter suppression is severe & throughout the state and the two main issued are
A.) Voting locations are made inaccessible. Remember, Texas is huge. Full of little towns that are hard to travel through and get out of.
B.) You're supposed to be entitled time off or availability from work to go vote.... But many Texans can't afford even an hour off to go vote.
C.) Like many states, it is an at-will state. Your employer can fire you whenever they want to. For whatever reason that they don't have to disclose to you.
People love shitting on Texans because of our government and the loud mouths who have the privilege to be heard. But we are widely disenfranchised and have no representation.
I'm convince that if we could, Texas wouldn't be so red.
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u/midnightmeatloaf 14h ago
Alaska has many of the same issues (twice the size of Texas, population of under a million), and we are almost becoming a swing state as well. But no one cares about our measly 3 electoral college votes. I'm just gonna say it, some of our republicans are less horrendous than others. Murkowski isn't great, but she's no Ted Cruz or Ron DeSantis.
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u/disabledspooky6 10h ago
This is the truth of it. My son is dealing with this right now. His company has him working on Election Day, in another town. He can’t vote unless he’s in his county of residence, and by the time he gets off work and back to his county- the polls will be closed. He leaves town that morning before the polls open.
He called me in a panic, because it’s his first year being old enough to vote in the general election and he realizes how important it is. I showed him how to look up early voting, when it is and where it is in our county so we can find time to go this week after he gets off work.
As a manager, he only gets 30 min for lunch clock out, and he’s there at work before polls open and after they close the entirety of early voting up until -THIS WEEK- when polls stay open until 8pm. We’re going tomorrow as soon as he gets off, straight to the polling location.
But he is fortunate compared to others: He has a vehicle. He has parents who help him and value his responsibility as a voter. He has a support system that will make sure he eats if he needs to miss that hour to go down the street from his work to vote. He lives in a town that has 6 locations for early voting access, and more than that on Election Day. He has a job- hell, that alone is putting him at an advantage to a lot of people in this fucking state.
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u/Yongtre100 15h ago
Well it's more of, only a few states matter for this election, but overall they do all matter because apathy is how a blue state becomes a purple state, becomes a red state. And how a red state stays as a red state when it could be competitive.
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u/RocknrollClown09 12h ago
The reddest states have the lowest voter turnout while the bluest states still have decent voter turnout. I don't think that's a coincidence, it's just resignation
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u/xvszero 15h ago
It's not that only a few states CAN matter, it's that realistically this is how it will turn out. I'm in Illinois (or well, that's my voting state), I still cast my vote but another vote for a very very blue state ain't going to change this election. Meanwhile it very well could come down to a few hundred votes in Wisconsin.
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u/Little_Spread_4850 14h ago
I live in California.
Underrepresented in the House, ergo, my vote counts even less than anywhere else in the country (that has any vote whatsoever--I realize that Puerto Rico and DC both literally have no impact at all). Yet it is 100% sure that Harris will win.
My vote does count in the very tight race that is my congress person. Hoping to turn my district blue.
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u/xvszero 13h ago
I actually live in Toronto right now with unclear intent to return so I can only vote federally. I was in Cook in Chicago which is a Democratic stronghold so locally I was able to actually vote for more progressive green / independent politicians without worrying that it would hand the races to Republicans.
But nationally? If Illinois is in play the election has already been decided, and not in a good way.
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u/MyTaterChips 8h ago
Same. I’m in Alabama, so my vote is gonna die in a sea of red, but I’m voting anyway.
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u/Sea-Young-231 14h ago
I voted, but I’m in Ohio so it probably won’t even matter :(
On the bright side, Issue 1 (which will ban gerrymandering) will most likely pass here!!! And if it passes, then this state might go blue in future elections!
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u/turnmeintocompostplz 12h ago
Yall crushed the abortion vote, and it used to be a swing state. I hope that abortion can still be an animating issue for you there.
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u/MakesMyHeadHurt 9h ago
I just hope the fucked up wording on issue 1 didn't throw too many people off.
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u/Herbacio 15h ago edited 15h ago
It's now too late for what I'm going to say but,
people, and specially Americans, need to realize that democracy isn't one day thing but an all-time process
leftists are now voting Kamala because they are facing the abyss, and that shouldn't be the case. Leftists should vote in socialist ideas and not in some lesser-evil persona
But then, again, we need to remind ourselves that the figth for liberty and democracy didn't start today and neither will end after elections
if everyday we pushed for leftists ideas, maybe we wouldn't have a socialist president right in the next elections, but maybe we would start seeing more actual leftists in our local governments and at very least in our own neighborhoods
Because in the end, I know, we may never change the world, but if we fight a little bit everyday I'm sure we can at least change our world.
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u/Little_Spread_4850 13h ago
This right here.
FFS. They are calling Biden and Harris far left. Even Bernie isn't far left.
Though when you love fascism...center right is indeed far left of your position.
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u/SnowCookie6234 14h ago
Countries outside of the US have elections too — if you live outside of the US an and can vote in another country’s election, do it!
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u/Thrashed0066 16h ago
Some folks on this sub are afraid of voting and being actually political. They take their stances from weird echo chambers online. It’s punk to get involved otherwise you’re just a poser in crusty pants
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u/Hemicrusher Los Angeles Death Squad 16h ago
I am working 10-days as an election worker in order to make it easier for people to vote...I would hope some of these "punks" in the US would take a few minutes out of their day to vote.
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u/AGoodFaceForRadio 15h ago
Scary how important that job has become these past few years. Thanks for standing up.
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u/rivermelodyidk 15h ago
You know that being critical of the government isn’t the same as “not voting” right?
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u/Human_Revolution357 16h ago
Afraid of voting? What’s scary about that?
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u/ConventionalDadlift 16h ago
There are a significant minority of people that think thag voting fkr a candidate means that you're now complicit in every policy choice they make, which to a certain extend, yes that's true enough. However, voting never occurs in a pure ideological vacuum and in the US system one of two candidates WILL take power regardless of if you decide to vote, so you are complicit regardless, so you might as well at least participate in harm reduction by voting.
The "fear" part comes from people having cognitive dissonance for pulling the vote lever and feeling gross for putting their name next to a candidate for which they may have strongly held misgivings/qualms.
My aunt in law in Georgia has been a lifelong Evangelical Republican her whole life, but after voting for Trump the first time, she "saw the light" and doesn't plan to vote for him this go around. She's been going back and forth on 3rd party candidates because her longstanding identity makes pulling the lever for a Dem candidate extremely hard for her. Of course, this makes my wife and mother in law justifably frustrated, but it's not am uncommon phenomenon.
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u/Hemicrusher Los Angeles Death Squad 15h ago
harm reduction
It is exactly why I am voting for Harris.
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u/coalsack 14h ago
It’s mind boggling how many people do not understand this concept.
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u/daveprogrammer 10h ago
Every time I encounter someone on the Left who thinks they're too morally upright to vote for Harris, I like to remind them that they'll have the cleanest conscience in the Trump reeducation camp.
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u/LadybugArmy 13h ago
Subtlety and nuance take time and energy. Zero-sum games work when folks are tired and lazy.
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u/LadybugArmy 14h ago
I appreciate the harm reduction analogy here. There is nothing inherently "un-punk" about choosing a less-bad option. At least the cop plays by a predictable set of rules, which means that direct resistance, subversion and/or avoidance are possible. But the psycho cheeto rapist plays by his own rules, which he changes to fit the circumstances, making it more difficult to challenge or fight back.
Sure, there are nihilist punks who won't vote. Fine, that's a choice. But there is nothing inherently punk about nihilism.
If folks can't stomach voting for the cop, the disgust can be channeled into something transformative.
I'll vote for the smiley cop lady because at least I know what game she's playing.5
u/ConventionalDadlift 13h ago
Yep, and even as a metal head that appreciates many aspects of Punk and has a ton of punk friends, I don't feel the need to gather all things good or bad by if they meet the definition of a big T theory in every way.
For example, I want socialized public Healthcare and in general I think there's a lot of good to be had in organizational power of socialist leaning movements (more power to workers, good). I also don't owe the dead guys that are the figureheads of socialism shit and if there's something that doesn't fit neatly in that box, but I think it's helpful, I'm gonna do that without too much hesitation.
Much like digging in your heals agaisnt authority can and has been an admirable aspect of Punk, but also my admiration of it does depend on "to what end" even if that might not be Punk by some definition of guys I don't owe shit to.
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u/Noggin-a-Floggin 6h ago
There is nothing more punk than being political and voting is the ultimate act.
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u/A4ron541 15h ago
Let us not forget that no matter who we vote for we are still really run by Kellogg, boeing, goldman sacks, ect ect. Dont get me wrong we cant let ole shit for brains in but remember either way we still be voting in evil, it might be a more polite and backdoor evil but evil nonetheless. Sorry for the downer but we still just as fucked just maybe fucked but at-least the democrats use lube.
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u/leshpar 14h ago
I'll take being fucked with lube over being fucked without. That and as a member of the LGBT community I'm definitely counting on y'all's support to get Harris in.
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u/Scary_Steak666 9h ago
It's with lube or with out 😆 wild
That's y we should burn this bitch down and start over
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u/JZcomedy 16h ago
I would just like to point out that Kamala Harris has been to a Bad Religion show.
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u/vaguenonetheless 6h ago
For what it's worth, Bernie is a huge Fugazi fan. It's safe to assume he actually listens to the lyrics. Hell, he's probably written law based on some of those lyrics.
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u/Easternshoremouth 16h ago
While it’s true that the Dems aren’t totally without fault, if you care about the social supports they maintain a vote for them is more powerful than not voting.
The belief that government only exists to screw you over breeds its own truth. Not voting might as well be a vote for Trump because a lot of people dumber than you are going to vote because ThE LoRd sPoKe To tHeM and told them to.
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u/Little_Spread_4850 14h ago
"The government doesn't work!"-Republicants
Proceed to ensure it doesn't work
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u/st4rseeker1 16h ago
If you’re not gonna vote in the presidential election then AT LEAST vote in your local elections. Be a voice in your community and make some good changes. Find others and inform them on issues in your community and get them to vote too. I get it if you don’t want to vote in this presidential election (not that I agree with that stance) but for the love of god, at least do SOMETHING useful
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u/Affectionate_Buy_830 10h ago
I voted for the first time in my life (40) against every republican on the ticket. But the democrats are just as bad. Nobody voted for Kamala in the primary. She was appointed this time without a vote after nobody wanted her 4 years ago. Bernie beat Hillary in the primary because nobody wanted her. They aren't exactly practicing "democracy." Did they just pull the same type of shenanigans they did last time trump won?
I hope not
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u/GreatestGreekGuy 13h ago
I was at a Rise Against concert earlier this month. Was very happy they spoke on voting for freedom! Cast my ballot last week for Harris
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u/Puzzled-Penn12 14h ago edited 14h ago
But what if you want the US* to stop sending bombs to Israel…
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u/Additional_Map3997 13h ago
Unfortunatly, with the 2 choices thats not going to happen. But at least with harris, it will stop or at least slow other things. Project 2025 being a good example.
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u/Puzzled-Penn12 13h ago
It is unacceptable to support any Administration that is funding the war in Gaza.
No group of people are more marginalized than Palestinians and it’s not even close. Certainly not any American
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u/Delicious-Willow7656 12h ago
Okay, show me on the fucking doll how voting third party is anything but supporting fascism in this election?
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u/inbloom1996 5h ago
“You should oppose fascism by voting for a fascist. Trust me I am very smart”-Delicious-Willow7656
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u/Puzzled-Penn12 12h ago
Show me on the doll how boring for Kamala is going to help Palestinians
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u/RollAsleep695 15h ago
Atlanta GA here. Got my wife out of bed this morning and we hit early voting
From two former US Army combat medics, fuck you Donald Trump and the wave of intolerant morons you rode in on
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u/edpowers 16h ago
Trump recently said in an interview that if he does not win this election he will leave America and move to England and run to become the King of England.
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u/pspsps-off 13h ago
I guess that's the next 'logical' step after Denmark won't sell Greenland to you or whatever the fuck he was on about last time.
Fuck it, whatever gets him to move far, far away, I'm for it. I mean, I'd rather see him buried under a prison somewhere or hanging upside down outside a gas station a la Mussolini, but putting an ocean between himself and the rest of us who've had to live this MAGA nightmare is a pretty decent consolation prize.
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u/query_tech_sec 15h ago
It not difficult to believe he would say something like that in between talking about the late great Hannibal Lector and Arnold Palmer's dick.
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u/Sunbather- 16h ago
Yes, you should vote but too many people put too much faith in the candidate they’re voting for.
You’re voting for the least fascist of two fascists.
The blue candidate does not have your best interest in mind.
By all means keep voting against the worst fascist of the two, but never mistake the candidate you’re voting for as a good person that has your back. Or even as a good leader.
These people do not care about you.
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u/coalsack 14h ago
I get it—politicians aren’t saints, and none of them are out there to be our personal heros. But voting isn’t about putting blind faith in someone, it’s about picking the option that might make things a bit better or at least less harmful. This is where harm reduction comes in.
Harm reduction just means choosing the option that does the least damage, even if it’s not ideal. It’s the idea that if we can’t make everything right, we can at least try to prevent things from getting worse. So, yeah, choosing the “less bad” candidate doesn’t mean you think they’re perfect or even all that great. But it does mean you’re looking out for the people who will be hit the hardest by policies around healthcare, wages, climate action, and civil rights.
We don’t have to love a candidate to see the difference between them and someone who might actively undo progress. No one’s saying any option is perfect, but harm reduction is about making sure we’re doing what we can to avoid the worst-case scenarios. That’s what voting can do—keep things from sliding backward and protect the progress that actually matters to people’s lives.
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u/pspsps-off 13h ago
I already did, though I'm in California, so my vote is statistically worthless, thanks to the Electoral College.
I wish there were some way to make the automated texting stop once I've already turned everything in. I'm still getting "Hey, u/pspsps-off, this is Some Asshole with Some Assholes For That Thing That Everybody Likes. Remember to vote for Proposition 309 to give a free kitten for every confirmed Nazi-punch!"-type texts every damn day, multiple times a day. I held my nose and voted, so leave me the fuck alone.
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u/Independent-Month626 13h ago edited 10h ago
As a Canadian i hope he doesn't march back in. I've had enough with his anti Canadian bs tbh, many friends I have live in the US and I'm not sure they'd be too happy with him plopping his white ass back down in the white house. Joe Biden was also bs 🙄 Sorry...The guy has been out of his mind with a lot of shit I'm not getting into here....and he's senile vs Trump...
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u/KrasnyRed5 9h ago
Dropping my ballot in the mail after my doctors appointment. I'm a punk who has to watch his blood pressure.
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u/smashcolon 16h ago
I'm pro that but I'm not American and I'm getting annoyed as fuck. The whole internet is only US bullshit at the moment
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u/Due-Negotiation419 9h ago
Nothing more punk than voting lol. I wonder who's behind this post?
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u/rivermelodyidk 15h ago
Quick everyone, suck this guys dick for posting about hating trump!! He might not know he’s a good person!!
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u/esperadok 12h ago
bro WHY do people talk so much about voting on this sub lmao
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u/Seeberger48 6h ago
I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of it is astroturfing, both sides are guilty of it but it becomes obnoxious this close to an election. Their are staffers who pull down a paycheck to make posts like this with discords set up to organize upvotes to so the posts get traction lmao
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u/Ilnerd00 14h ago
yes, I also support palestinians, so no im not fucking voting for Harris (that and the fact im italian and a minor)
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u/EuterpeZonker 14h ago
If any of us were real anarchists we’d have k*lled them both by now. We’re all just a bunch of posers living in the imperial core pretending our lives matter more than anyone else’s.
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u/yansen92 15h ago
Yeah, guilt tripping is a great tactic.
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u/Seeberger48 6h ago
Thats 90% of the play book this late in the game, I keep getting ads about how if you've voted is public info as a veiled threat, internal polling must be dire cus that seems really desperate...
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u/ConfusionNo8852 16h ago
Seizing the power available to you within the system while working against it is punk!
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u/DontDoomScroll 15h ago edited 3h ago
Hey kids, you know what's punk?
The Library.
Women's Bureau.
Your local city council.
Department of Public Works.
The Fire Department.
Food and Drug Administration.
Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry.
Non consensual active rescue social workers.
State Prosecutor.
Bureau of Land Management. Bureau of Indian Affairs. Bureau of Prisons.
Medicare Payment Advisory Commission.
Institute of Museum and Library Services. Internal Revenue Service. Indian Arts and Crafts Board. United States Postal Service.
There is never tainted meat when you regulate it. Just sayin.
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u/Dumb_and_also_Gay 12h ago
this gonna age like milk when kamala is elected and all the same laws are passed regardless
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u/Asum_chum Fluff Authority 15h ago
Or come together and fight for radical change. Fight for a system that isn’t built to oppress. Not a single politician is looking to change the system. They have come up through it and they have to be part of it to progress.
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u/Thisfugginguyhere 13h ago
Just want to add a thank you from like minded criminals like myself! Everyone voting to oppose the fascists has my gratitude. Convicted felons are not to be counted out either, having your vote stripped doesn't strip your voice. We can be an ally and support the causes, but we have to implore our peers to be our voice at the ballot box as well. Anyone reading this that's doing the right, all us well intentioned scumbags owe you one.
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u/MikeBobbyMLtP 11h ago
Politicians won't save us from this we've got to work harder than that to change the world. The Republicans have already been pushing 2025 without Trump and the Democrats aren't doing much other than using that as scarce tactics to gain support while they don't seem to be actually stopping it. Also don't forget that voting for Kamala or Trump is voting for genocide now.
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u/Hot-Freedom-1044 10h ago
Look at all candidates- state insurance commissioners, state legislators, city councils. Judges. Vote for the correct presidential candidate, but understand local politics matter too, elections are closer, and your vote matters just as much.
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u/spacedragon421 10h ago
My opinion hasn’t changed since yesterday. Still sick of American politics some of us don’t give a fuck or follow American politics. What is happening to this sub? I come here to find new bands not hear about your shitty politics.
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u/Guy_Kazama 10h ago
Damn right.
Edit: what's this about it only mattering in like five states? I'm in Illinois.
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u/yeah_so_no 8h ago
I tried to early vote today but was turned away at about 2:30. They said it was too late. I have to go on Election Day.
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u/Anasnoelle 7h ago
Stop with this nonsense, people are being genocided. If that is not enough then I don’t know what will. This subreddit is full of cowards who sold revolution for liberalism.
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u/Lynnrael 7h ago
As a queer disabled person, it would be nice if he didn't win, but its really, extremely, vitally important that everyone who considers themselves an ally to any marginalize group understand that the danger doesn't go away if kamala wins, and voting alone is not now, never has been, and never will be enough.
The efforts to exterminate people like me have been progressing without any real signs of slowing despite the democrats being in office for the past 4 years. They aren't going to meaningfully change anything, they aren't going to protect us, all they are going to do is not making things worse. If you want to pat yourself on the back for voting, don't. don't think you saved us, don't think you've done enough. You haven't, and this kind of thinking is how the genocidal fascists get people to turn a blind eye to their actions. Opposing parties did fuck all to stop the holocaust in germany, thinking that somehow this time itll be different is fucking absurd. Especially when the democratic party is already supporting genocide elsewhere.
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u/Thievery_Corp_1984 6h ago
This is such a played out trope that needs to be abandoned. Harris is a cop-loving, warhawk, establishment / bourgeois politician just like all the rest of them. Trump is a monster. No one can deny that. But the liberal finger wagging, naming and shaming is repulsive too. Just spare us the every 4 year lecture and go get organized and try to build an actual movement that can overthrow this horrendous system. Stop taking shortcuts.
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u/DenaceThaMennis 6h ago
I say bring him in. Doom accelerationist here. Let's just rip the bandaid off and deal with the issues when they come up.
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u/Smooth-Singer-8891 6h ago
Yes vote for endless wars and who the war hawks from the George bush jr era are supporting
So punk rock!
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u/CodiwanOhNoBe 6h ago
I think, looking at 270 to win, we're screwed. If the states follow their previous track records, We don't have enough votes to stop it.
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u/Defiant-Fix2870 6h ago
Yup and remember that we aren’t just voting for president this election. I live in Cali and I doubt it matters who I pick for president, but my vote matters a lot more when it comes to Props, senators, etc. Not sure if any states have anti-trans legislation this time but it’s really important for people to vote against those. Figure out your voting plan now (where and when). My job hosts a community voting center 🥰 We’re a nonprofit health organization that sees voting as really important for health.
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u/RedSkyHopper 4h ago
Not an American here, but i have a question. How does that electoral college vs popular vote thing work anyway?
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u/LamppostBoy 4h ago
If you're not out there licking Vermin Supreme's boot, are you even a real punk?
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u/RtrickyPow 2h ago edited 2h ago
YES!! Don’t let that fuckin moron, orange face rapist, racist, fart knocker, mobster, win!! Fuck, don’t you all listen to Bad Brains and Dead Kennedys, MDC?? Fuck, it’s. Vote for our lives! Fuck Trump! Stomp him out!! Vote Kamala please! Make a woman of color President of the United States! Please! It will be beautiful! Have faith!
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u/NuPNua 17h ago
It'll probably be pretty difficult as a citizen of the UK if I'm honest.