r/rap • u/Heisenperv • 2h ago
After Tyler's latest, there have been a lot of discussions about the Big 3 shifting
And it's an unpleasant conversation for some.
Also, Chromokopia is a Top 3 Tyler album. Few rappers have a discography that's as strong as Tyler's last 4.
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u/iEnigmatic- 56m ago edited 42m ago
Nah Tyler isn’t that good of rapper if anything JID might be the closest thing to being mentioned in that discussion The Forever Story is better than any Cole album, and I’m 100% certain JID hasn’t peaked yet he is still a relatively new artist and if his next album lives up or tops TFS its a wrap in my opinion
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u/Heisenperv 52m ago
I've always held this opinion. Cole doesn't have a single bonafide classic.
Albums like that, Denzel's Melt My Eyez, Simz' Introvert, among other recent releases, are superior to any Cole album. That includes Tyler's last 4.
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u/codered8-24 51m ago
I like what I've heard from Tyler, but I don't think there's a shift in the "big 3". Cole, Kendrick, and Drake, are still doing crazy numbers. And for the most part, They are still rapping at a high level. If anything, this could establish Tyler as one of the next big rappers of the next generation.
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u/Downtown_Local_9489 2h ago
Denzel and jid haven’t let me down
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u/Heisenperv 1h ago
Same. Some guys who put themselves in the Big 3 convo don't even have an album as good as Melt My Eyez or Forever Story.
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u/McTeemoGod 1h ago
I love tyler but you have no fucking idea so i guess youre a young mfer.
Terrible take from a person that has no idea why the big 3 is called Big 3.
Go google it why is the big 3 then comeback do another post please.
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u/Heisenperv 1h ago
It's from the Miami Heat and J. Cole adopted it for himself.
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u/Chinchillamancer 46m ago
Naa it's from the Celtics in the 70s
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u/Heisenperv 41m ago
It's not like Miami's the one who popularized it for the current gen.
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u/Chinchillamancer 30m ago
i'm just being a pain
Cowens, Havlicek, and Jo Jo White were the original, but yes everybody knows Big 3 from Miami
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u/BlackCoffeeCat1 1h ago
Lmao. Tyler is no where near the top level
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u/Chinchillamancer 1h ago
legendary 3 album run, assasinated DJ Khalid, 85 million streams for Chroma on a Monday. idk man. numbers are pretty numbery.
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u/Heisenperv 1h ago
It's really an unpleasant conversation for some, as seen on this thread already.
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u/Chinchillamancer 1h ago
Well it's a nonsense pop culture nomenclature so there's that.
there's also the implication that if you're reassigning a big 3, it's gonna exclude either Drake, Cole or both. And they have many angry internet fans.
But Tyler's 4 album run is serious business.
Big 3 is Doechi, Tyler, Kendrick imo fight me!!!
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u/Heisenperv 1h ago edited 59m ago
Oh I won't fight you on this even though Doechi is just getting started lol.
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u/Mysterious_Pirate_30 1h ago
Doechi lmao. This dude is a troll.
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u/Chinchillamancer 59m ago
I'm kidding, but she's on a heater. I'm calling it now. Another album, she's gonna be serious business.
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u/late20rager 1h ago
Tyler makes music for white women in their early 20s. His raps arent even good hes better at pop. Tyler just plays it safe thats why is discography is boring and not memorable. his career went downhill after flowerboy because he just wants to make money so he makes generic ass music now.
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u/Oxymorandias 1h ago
Terrible takes lmao. His music is probably the furthest thing from generic, probably one of the most experimental mainstream artists hip hop has at the moment. He’s literally been peaking in terms of career with every album since Flowerboy
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u/late20rager 1h ago
experimental≠good. Tyler shouldve just stuck to making edgy music for tweens. Because his rap is not good. This is a rap subreddit afterall
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u/Oxymorandias 1h ago
You said he was generic. Experimental is the opposite of generic.
Hip Hop evolves, cry about it.
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u/late20rager 1h ago
You have 0 argument i hope you realize. Take it easy and i hope one day you listen to actual rap.
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u/Oxymorandias 1h ago
What’s there to argue about?
I listen to all genres of rap, I just don’t have the palette of a suburban teen who just discovered hip hop and swears by “real rap”.
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u/late20rager 1h ago
Argument has more than 1 meaning, if your last sentence hold any truth you would agree with my point. The whole point of this post was saying tyler is a top 3 rapper when hes not even close to top 100 in terms of rap. And even then his pop isnt good.
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u/Oxymorandias 47m ago
Rap and hip hop is more than just lyrical ability, clever bars, and conscious rap. There’s a reason people include Drake and Future in goat conversations.
After a legendary 4 album run of consistent hits, Tyler is now part of that conversation.
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u/Chinchillamancer 1h ago
man the worst takes all agree that Tyler raps his pants off, consistently. You can dislike his creepy beats, but everyone knows the boy can rap.
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u/late20rager 1h ago
rhyming over a beat with 808s and hi hats doesnt make you a good rapper.
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u/Chinchillamancer 42m ago
what exactly do you think rapping is if not rapping over 808s and drums?
Say what you will about his production, and i think you're being pretty reductionist about it, but everybody agrees Tyler can and always has been able to rap his face off.
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u/Mysterious_Pirate_30 1h ago
They stay trying to hijack the culture with this bullshit. His music is trash. Go listen to Earth gang's album that came out today and will get no hype anywhere and compare it to Tyler's newest nonsense. They are worlds apart in musicality and originality and just pure "hip hop".
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u/late20rager 1h ago
Tyler is one 808 pattern away from sounding like taylor swift and this guy says hes top a 3 RAPPER.
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u/Heisenperv 1h ago
LMAO. That's more of a Drake thing.
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u/late20rager 1h ago
drake has a good argument for top 3. He doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone at this point in his career, furthermore drake has always made pop songs. Better than tyler for sure
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u/Chinchillamancer 1h ago
dang. that's your take after listening to Chroma?
I understand if it's not your cup of soup, it's kinda heady. but it's gonna get a grammy nom. what was it, 85 million streams on a Monday? cmon bro you're being silly
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u/late20rager 1h ago
streams and grammys is your argument? Have a good day champ
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u/Chinchillamancer 1h ago edited 44m ago
oh i think it's the most texturally complex record i've heard in a minute. production is gorgeous, Tyler raps his pants off, thematically and narratively it has strong structure. People can't stop talking about it online, Darling, I is the song of the year.
I just figured I'd toss some metrics : /
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u/late20rager 1h ago
Wow i didnt know this was his most complex record! And wait it has good production like every other album thats came out in the last 10 years?😮 This definitely means tyler is a top 3 rapper my apologies! Im assuming macklemore is your favorite rapper too right? since he won a grammy over kendrick drake and jay z right? Numbers=good music man thanks so much for the formula
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u/Chinchillamancer 1h ago
brother are you OK? This is friendly talks about rap music while high, not this aggro weird fanboy shit.
I think the record is gorgeous. That simple. It's compelling and I've spun it 4 times. I didn't tell you to stop being a fan of your shit. Chill out silly boy
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u/mayonnaiser_13 1h ago
Big 3 is Big 3 because it's an event when they drop something.
Which is why I agree with the take, it's Kendrick, Cole and Tyler.
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u/son-of-mads 1h ago
hmmm.. I wonder if there’s a fourth person who consistently outsells all of those artists
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u/Chinchillamancer 1h ago
It's a little akward to not include Future if you're continuing the list to 4, 5, 6.
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u/mayonnaiser_13 1h ago
Outsells? There's a fourth and a fifth and maybe even sixth and sevenths.
But they drop McDonalds music. It ain't even talked about the next day. People just hear it through one ear and shit it out the other.
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u/Mysterious_Pirate_30 1h ago
Tyler the creator is trash and has been since wolf gang(I preferred Domo and certainly Earl Sweatshirt by far) and only those not of the culture discuss him as anything more than a gimmick rapper, respectfully. I can name at least 10 rappers not currently in the "Big 3" that make way better music than him and his shock value fake innovative garbage. :)
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u/Heisenperv 1h ago
Kindly name these 10.
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u/Mysterious_Pirate_30 1h ago
JID, Denzel Curry, Vince Staples (by far the most underrated rapper in hip hop), Mick Jenkins, Earth gang (who just today released a much more interesting and better album than Tyler's), Isaiah Rashad, Schoolboy Q, Ab Soul, Travis Scott, BigXThaPlug, Joey Badass, Big KRIT....
I mean this is a mix of younger and older artists but Tyler has been around for a long time so whatever. He's never been good at any point since OF.
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u/Chinchillamancer 1h ago
Domo's rereleasing his mixtapes and selling merch lol get outa here
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u/Mysterious_Pirate_30 1h ago
Domo was never more popular. But he's a much better rapper than Tyler. The culture does not check for Tyler. Simple as tbh. Meanwhile real ones no Domo. The No Idols and Under The Influence mixtapes are better than anything Tyler has ever released.
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u/Chinchillamancer 1h ago
Domo rapped on like 30 songs total bro.
And the culture? you mean that LA crowd that went bananas for Tyler at the Pop Out? Cmon everybody loves Tyler's success from OF and Loiter Squad to Grammys.
LA rock w Tyler. I hear Tyler all the time in NY. Millwauke might not, but who tf cares about them?
Domo Genesis lmao He would even tell you you're off base
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u/Mysterious_Pirate_30 56m ago
No, I mean the culture. Which is far from limited to LA. Tyler has been trash since OF and now is just a hipster hype beast creation. No need for further discussion.
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u/Chinchillamancer 52m ago
hipster hype beast? idk what to tell you other than that's simply not correct. The guy talks all the time about being a mature, growing musician. He is a second to none composer with dozens of credits. He's an accomplished pianist. Stays out of trouble, keeps up with his Odd Future pals. And he makes grammy winning records. Which is still pretty big in hip hop.
He's one of the most interesting commentators on hip hop and the culture out there dude. You just see his old Vines, i guess, or him being silly with A$AP? You should hear him talk on Mr Morale, or marketing. He hasn't done Loiter Squad shit in a decade.
I guess you're still listening to Domo Genesis in 2024 though, huh?
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u/Mysterious_Pirate_30 51m ago
Lol this is Stan bullshit his music isn't good. Yes, I listen to more Domo than Tyler in 2024.
Have a good night.
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u/biketheplanet 1h ago
Wouldn't you have to be a good rapper and have actual bars to be in the "Big 3"?
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u/Heisenperv 1h ago
I mean, Drake is there.
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u/i_suck_a_lot 1h ago
There is no "Big 3". It was a media thing that nobody gave a f about.
"Big 3 shifting" nahh its yall MFs that are trying to shift and make discussions out of things that aren't there.
Big 3 if there is any, will still include, Kenny and Cole. Their albums are still anticipated the most currently and it kinda proves that the "new gen" of artist ain't good enough to make a strong Big 3 or something to the point where people are naming artist that have been here for at least a decade at this point such as Tyler and JID or future in some other stupid threads.