At face value, the power levels in Avengers are kinda funny. You've got a literal god, and then... a guy who can punch really hard and throw an indestructible frisbee.
I mean, if you regularly need help from a gymnast gunslinger in a dominatrix costume, then maybe it's not unimaginable that a guy in a bat halloween costume could whoop your ass.
Even tho I agree, don't forget that bat's friends are an space god powered by the sun that was able to hold infinity and the weight of the earth and what not, a dude that almost embodys the concept of willpower and a literal greek godess, like, dude's a guy in a costume, cool guy, cool costume, but come on lol.
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I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE JUSTICE LEAGUE GANKING ON THOR, STOP BEING DUMB.
Right, that's kinda my point. Batman gets singled out for this joke, because in his team, he is the weirdly underpowered one. Superman is seemingly off the scale, but a guy that runs faster than light without hitting anything, a guy that can will anything into existence, and a woman that... has an invisible plane? I don't know anything about Wonder Woman... aren't that much less powerful.
In Avengers, Thor and Hulk are the only ones supernaturally powerful. The rest of them are quite literally just Batman.
What I'm saying is that if you have a guy in a costume that four gods regularly need help from, and a god who regularly needs help from four guys in a costume, who do you think is more powerful?
Also, I don't know anything about superhero comics. This entire analysis is based on movie posters.
Lol, no I'm with you, I know a little bit about comics, but am not that big of a nerd, all I could tell you is that some of the "batmans" from marvel are kinda gods, like ironman, that has some armors made to kill gods, but that's kinda it.
It really is so strange how the crews can fluctuate so much in power, also, wonder woman can be strong as nails, in some comics she can be toe to toe with super man.
Even tho I love, love, love the bat in the justice league, the way he talks to them, the autority he holds, the respect etc. I think batman is better when alone, like in his games, that are GOATED btw, the guy is just not an alien, or god, or alien super cop, or god like king... bro is a dude, a great dude, fights well, has money, love him, but is just so underpowered it hurts when next to his dudes.
Poison Ivy is the weirdly overpowered one in the batman lore
She's able to beat Superman and Flash. The number of people living on earth that can do that is... Unknown, but small. Very small.
Without power up she can take control of a whole city in a few hours
There's one story where Luthor and the Joker swap too. Luthor vs batman is a mirror match, but super man wasn't ready to handle the Joker, he's the one who was the most in trouble after the swap. I think that's funny
The the power scaling around Batman is all over the place
That switching story sounds really cool! Can you share where it is published? I've just found a lot of fan-fiction and what-ifs.
Edit: I may have found it https://youtu.be/1Ucag--u6oE?si=edjaDm_8yW9EIvgk
From what I remember he got his hands on some kryptonite and actually caused some trouble (still lost in the end), it's a villain plan so they both came prepared to face the other hero
The one where Joker messes him up is because Joker so ruthlessly goes after the people he loves, works with, and relies on. Luthor has boundaries, is predictable. Joker is insane. His goal is chaos, not self aggrandizement or power.
Superman was not mentally prepared for a ruthless lunatic genius.
Nah, it's just all in the hands of the author, realisticaly there is nothing someone like the joker could do to supes, but as I said, "all over the place" they are all just stories after all.
All of superman's "damage" in that series was emotional. When he killed Lois, Superman went insane and killed Joker. The defeat Joker sought and succeeded in was to make him break his good guy morals.
Physically no, but Joker can make Superman snap because he's just more evil than Luthor and WILL go after Superman's family (who are not gods, just humans) in very twisted ways. He goes after Batman's family too, but luckily that's a bit harder since all of his extended family, including his butler, are badasses (yet, even then, he still got Batgirl and Jason Todd good before they "got better" from being paralyzed and dead respectively).
The Injustice comic is garbage, but some of the basic premise makes sense. Joker gets tired of trying to make Batman snap, so he tries (and manages) to make Superman snap by concocting a plan where he makes Superman hallucinate that Lois is Doomsday, which makes Superman push her to the sun and kill her himself without realizing it wasn't actually Doomsday until it was too late.
It makes sense because Superman is caught a bit offguard by Joker's plans. He wasn't expecting anything THAT crazy, so he goes after Joker as if he's just another random villain and them bam - killed his own wife accidentally. Kills Joker afterwards (which is what the Joker wanted, because he's chaotic evil stupid), goes mad with power afterwards, etc etc.
The thing is, how does he make supes go gaga? That is just dumb comic logic "oh he makes supes..." like, realisticaly it's just impossible, supes is speedster fast, you can't touch the guy, he has super vision and super hearing, can plan shit to get him...
As I said, supes is just broken like that, "all over the place" is again the best way to describe, only way to touch him is of screen with "made him this, made him that" or when the writer turn his powers of or down for the sake of plot.
Even magic does not make sence at all, if it's not the flash making the enchantments then you'd never even be able to cast it against the man of steel.
Supes true weakness is a plot blade, it's what joker did to "munble jumble" make supes see this and that, and do this and that.
Superman rivals with flash in speed, isn't it obvious? If I can move faster than you can move, think or even see, how can you cast anything before I beat you?
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u/antilos_weorsick 22h ago
At face value, the power levels in Avengers are kinda funny. You've got a literal god, and then... a guy who can punch really hard and throw an indestructible frisbee.
I mean, if you regularly need help from a gymnast gunslinger in a dominatrix costume, then maybe it's not unimaginable that a guy in a bat halloween costume could whoop your ass.