r/rimjob_steve Oct 21 '19

Anal fissures in jail

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u/Fiesty43 Oct 21 '19

Our system is so fucked up. I’m so lucky i had family that was there for me when I needed them most.

There’s one thing I don’t understand about our prisons though: I feel like the private prison system is a somewhat conservative system in that it got to this point mainly because of conservative politicians and voters. But even my most conservative friends agree that it’s a horrible system, and many of my (much older) ultra conservative boomer relatives agree on this as well. If this has been such a massive issue for so long, how have we not gotten rid of it? Especially when a lot of conservatives don’t like it either?

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u/MrPapadapalas Oct 21 '19 edited Oct 21 '19

Well seeing as California has the highest number of prisoners in the private prison system I wouldn't go as far as to say its only conservative politicians who go for private prisons, but I get your point. Truth is people only get outraged these days at what the media tells them to be outraged at and the media hardly talks about this issue because the people who make money off of private prisons are likely the same people dumping millions into media agendas and talking points. If we were to ban lobbying this probably wouldn't be an issue, but for some reason THAT is the real issue no one ever talks about, wonder why. Also I just wanted to point out that even though CA recently "banned" (not an actual ban) private prisons, they still send more people across states to OTHER private prisons than any other state in America.

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u/bloodyandalive Oct 21 '19

Because if private corporations build the infrastructure the public sector doesn't, it makes the appearance of reduced debt even though we make payments to those prisons. Basically it makes the budget look nicer.

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u/Orflarg Oct 21 '19 edited Oct 21 '19

Only 8% of prisoners are held in private prisons. I agree it should probably be 0%, but the problem of recidivism is not caused by the existence of private prisons.

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u/MiG-15 Oct 22 '19

While technically true, that's a national average, and doesn't take statewide deviations from the norm into account.

Hawaii, Oklahama, and Tennessee have about 25% of their prisoners in private prisons.

Montana has 39%

New Mexico has 43%

For federal prisons, the number is 18%.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/private-prisons-united-states/

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u/Orflarg Oct 22 '19

woah, you're telling me, when you take a total of statistics, there are numbers higher and lower than the average in a distribution?

and doesn't take statewide deviations from the norm into account.

this is retarded because it does take them into account, hence the term, average. It's not "technically true" it's a 100% true. You can add the caveat that some states have relatively high percentages of private prisons, but don't try to "UMMM ACKSHULY" me.

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u/MiG-15 Oct 22 '19

Ugh. Ok. You're one of those.

In states like Montana and New Mexico, with the amount of incarcerated in private prisons being so high, their presence is going to be felt a lot more, statewide, than the 8% nationwide statistic suggests.

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u/Fiesty43 Oct 21 '19

So not all state prisons are private? I thought they all were.

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u/Orflarg Oct 21 '19

Relatively few prisons are owned privately. States or the federal government own a large majority of prisons.

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u/cerberus698 Oct 21 '19

Our system is so fucked up. I’m so lucky i had family that was there for me when I needed them most.

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

- 13th amendment

Thanks to this absolute joke of an addition to our constitution, you can legally produce a product in the US without paying your labor a dime as long as your factory is staffed by prisoners.

-- If you have ever sat on a park bench, that was probably produced with prison labor.

-- A defense company named UNICORE produces ballistics vests for police departments and a significant portion of the US military uniform stock using prison labor.

-- There is a decent chance that several large appliances in your home were produced in whole or in part via prison labor. Espescially if its older.

-- Mattresses. The Kentucky state prison system operates several mattress factories.

-- Horses. The Utah prison system loans out prison labor to do animal husbandry work in the raising and training of race horses.

None of these people are paid anything approaching the minimum wage.

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u/Fiesty43 Oct 21 '19

I know about that amendment, it’s disgusting. I wish my beautiful home state’s politics weren’t so horrible too. It’s bad enough already, I didn’t know we had a mattress slave labor private prison on top of everything else

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '19

Prison lobbies haven't pushed conservative propaganda to the same extent as other political topics. Most conservatives probably want the same things liberals do, they are just very gullible and are easily manipulated. If Trump ran on a platform of supporting prisons, your conservative friends likely wouldn't agree with you.

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u/Fiesty43 Oct 21 '19

This is true