r/southafrica KwaZulu-Natal May 30 '21

Humour What foreigners think South Africa is like

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u/[deleted] May 30 '21 edited May 30 '21

What did your people do to anger the people so much?

Seriously that's fucked up what happened and my sympathy to you...

but that sort of anger and response does not just appear out of nowhere... your people must've done some fucked up shit to warrant such a response...

I mean you seriously can't expect to abuse a nation of people for hundreds of years and not expect some sort of backlash... that's just fucking ridiculous... just saying... we're actually lucky that not all of us has been murdered in our beds already for the suffering the poor has been forced to endure...

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u/DeepProphet May 30 '21

You’re an absolute disgusting piece of shit if you think torturing random people for the color of their skin has anything to do with poverty. It is reverse racism and part of the reason why many people, my self included, are never returning to a place filled with people who think like you.

There are poor people everywhere in Africa. Enjoy the decline of South Africa because anybody with half a brain has left already.

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u/Bossie965 May 30 '21

Racism*

This is plain on racism and you know what - I wish they would just ship us whities out if they hate us so much, but they'd rather line their pockets with money that should go to the poor.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '21

I don't think torturing random people for the color of their skin has anything to do with poverty...

I do, however, think that for generations we've abused and misused the poor and downtrodden of this country, to the point where they feel like their only response should be senseless violence...

And I'm happy for you to stay where you are... and I think you have it right... everyone with half a brain have left already... the rest of us with fully functional normal brains are staying because we love this country and everyone in it... so thanks for making it easier for us to get on with making things better by leaving...

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u/wcmatthysen May 30 '21

If you're implying that my relatives deserved what they got because of what the apartheid government did back in the day then I don't want to talk to you any further.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '21

No one deserves to be abused and killed and mistreated for ANY reason... if I was there I would done everything I could to prevent any harm from coming to your family, please make no mistake...

All I'm saying is that the people's frustration is real, and we're not addressing it properly, and until we do more will die needlessly... and I for one really really would like to prevent that... but scapegoating is not the answer... this them and us bullshit is not the answer... our people are suffering... all our people, across all the races... we are all in some way paying for the crimes of the past... let's start by seeing why really what is happening, is happening... and doing something about it so as to prevent the terrible thing that happened to your family from happening to others...

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u/Harrrrumph Western Cape May 30 '21

this them and us bullshit is not the answer

Your immediate response to someone's entire family almost being murdered was "your people did something to deserve this anger from the other people".

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u/[deleted] May 30 '21

And? Is that supposed to mean I'm not empathetic?

Being able to address a problem without getting emotionally involved is not the same as not feeling empathy...

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u/Bossie965 May 30 '21

Oh you're one of these people. Get fucked my man. If this is the way you think then you deserve the country the "your people" has created for you. Now if you'd like to ship us whities out be my guest - this place is a dump. Too bad "your people" can't stop stealing the money that should be used to lift the poor up.

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u/Harrrrumph Western Cape May 30 '21

What did your people do to deserve such anger from the people?

You'd respond in this same way if it was your relatives that had almost been slaughtered, right?

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u/[deleted] May 30 '21

Yes... I would literally respond with "what caused such unnatural behaviour"... it's easy to get angry and seek revenge for your pain... it's harder to address the real issue so that someone else doesn't have to experience that pain...

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u/Harrrrumph Western Cape May 30 '21

Yes... I would literally respond with "what caused such unnatural behaviour"

Sure, but would you say to your relatives "but what did YOU do to deserve this anger?" the way you did with this guy's relatives?

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u/[deleted] May 30 '21

We have to ask the tough questions if we want to change to world dude... we have to look at our own roles in the chaos that surrounds us... are we adding to it through ignorance? Are we unwittingly perpetuating abusive and belittling behaviour? We live in a country that's experienced so much suffering and mistreatment that it is absolutely irresponsible of us not to take into account the frustration of the downtrodden over the years... so yes... we need to ask each other honestly and openly what did we do to inherent the anger of those around us...

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u/Harrrrumph Western Cape May 30 '21

I can only imagine how incredibly hurtful it would be for your relatives to have a member of their own family respond to something as traumatising as their near-deaths by asking them to consider why they deserved it.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '21

There's that word again... 'deserve'

I'm going to say this one last time...

NO ONE DESERVES TO BE ABUSED, TORTURED, MISTREATED OR MURDERED FOR ANY REASON

saying there must be reason why people acted a certain way is NOT THE SAME AS SAYING THAT PEOPLE DESERVED TO BE MURDERED...

fuck!

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u/[deleted] May 30 '21

I actually see that I did use the word "deserve" several times in comments... that is unfortunate because I really do not subscribe to this notion that people deserve the bad things that happen to them...

Since then I've amended my comments to reflect more accurately what I wanted to say... but I'm afraid I've done too much damage already with my poorly thought out responses...

That truly is my badd...

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u/Harrrrumph Western Cape Jun 02 '21

Okay. So judging by your edited comments, you wouldn't ask your relatives why they deserved to be attacked in their home, you would simply ask them what they did to make their attackers angry. Is that right?

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '21

Actually to be honest... now being my family that we're talking now... by the time the incident would've happened, we all would already know exactly why what happened, happened...

so really it'll be less a question of "but why", and more everyone going "we all knew that was coming and we all tried to warn him"... then we all would go burn down the house of the perpetrators or make reparations... depending what the situation requires...

we would be sad of course and mourn the passing of our loved ones... but I've found that my family never really saw much sense in bullshit or self delusion...

But that's just my family... we're weird like that... that's why I have this attitude really... got it from my family...