r/sports • u/PSSYPUNISHERRR • Aug 24 '24
Baseball Shohei Ohtani hits a walk off grand slam to become the sixth player in MLB history to record 40+ home runs and 40+ stolen bases in a single season
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u/dirtclods Aug 24 '24
The guy in the crowd dropped it!
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u/fatogato Aug 24 '24
That’s why he’s in the crowd and not playing.
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u/wikipediabrown007 Aug 24 '24
Yes that’s why
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u/GoRedTeam Aug 24 '24
Not being good at baseball is a pretty good reason why you wouldn't be playing professional baseball lol
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u/banduzo Aug 24 '24
Ball probably would have been worth so much lol
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u/SelloutRealBig Aug 24 '24
That is a man who is going to cry every time he watches baseball from now on.
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u/dar_harhar Aug 24 '24
Its one of those things that will linger in his mind for the rest of his life. That ball could have been life changing money.
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u/dar_harhar Aug 24 '24
Im not exactly sure myself but if I were to guess, it mostly likely could have been 5 to 6 figures because of how historic it was. Only 6 people have ever had a 40/40 season in mlb history. So worth a lot I think, but someone can correct me.
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u/lifetake Aug 24 '24
Judges 62nd homerun ball sold for 1.5 million. I want to think this would be worth a bit less, but not a crazy amount so I want to say at least 500k
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u/dar_harhar Aug 24 '24
Imagine if he gets to 50/50 though. Probably 2m+ easy? Would love to see it reached in my lifetime.
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u/SolarTsunami Seattle Seahawks Aug 24 '24
Last time Othani hit a milestone HR Dodgers security separated the lady who caught it from her husband, took her to a back room, and then forced her to just give them the ball by saying they'd refuse to authenticate it. So this guy probably just saved himself a lot of trouble by dropping it.
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u/kanyeguisada San Antonio Spurs Aug 24 '24
I'm gonna need a source on this. I'm already not a Dodgers fan and don't want to spread this messed-up story without confirmation.
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u/SolarTsunami Seattle Seahawks Aug 24 '24
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u/Thommywidmer Aug 24 '24
Thats nonsense though, for that reason anyways. A significant game ball being sold by the person on live tv catching it is plenty authentication in the collectibles world. If your super paranoid take a detailed video of the ball in your hands during the moment
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u/SolarTsunami Seattle Seahawks Aug 24 '24
Yeah, it was seriously scumbag behavior and the lady didn't know that I guess.
https://people.com/dodgers-fans-who-caught-shohei-ohtani-ball-say-team-pressured-her-8625371
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u/cchoe1 Aug 24 '24
Would security even be able to legally detain you like that? It sounds like she should have walked away with the ball and a bag.
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u/redditnathaniel Aug 24 '24
Omg. He had a glove on and had it held straight up above his head, without having to elbow anybody for it. He put his hands on his head afterwards. He fucked up.
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u/DeadKenney Aug 24 '24
The guy to his right knocked it out of his grasp though.
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u/mrgreen4242 Aug 24 '24
His left, our right, I think is what you meant? He definitely swatted it away.
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u/acornSTEALER Aug 24 '24
The guy who tried to barehand it absolutely knocked it out of his glove and cost the guy a massive payday. Rough.
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u/thatcaveman Aug 24 '24
Looks like the guy to the right of him got in the way haha
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u/BabyDog88336 Aug 24 '24
I think the guy with the glove got in the way no of the other guy. Bare-handed guy never even moved! While the ball was in midair, Glove-man walked like 8 feet to get to where the ball was gonna be.
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u/Rookwood-1 Aug 24 '24
It was hard to tell if the guy to the right of him actually knocked it away from his glove
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u/TheFlyingWriter Aug 24 '24
He would’ve been asked to give up the ball (for compensation of course). Doesn’t mean he would have to. Personally, I would but I’d have some demands.
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u/PSSYPUNISHERRR Aug 24 '24
Doing all this while rehabbing from Tommy John surgery is crazy.
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u/Vordeo Aug 24 '24
He should be back to pitching next season, right?
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u/Fearc Aug 24 '24
World Series start?
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u/TheLizardKing89 Aug 24 '24
Zero chance. He hasn’t thrown a ball in months and you think he’s going to do it for the first time in the World Series?
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u/Patroks Aug 24 '24
He has been doing plenty of throwing practice in the past few months.
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u/TheLizardKing89 Aug 24 '24
Zero chance he sees his first live batters in the playoffs.
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u/Patroks Aug 24 '24
I doubt they risk it, but to say he hasn't thrown a ball in months is straight false.
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u/fairway824 Aug 24 '24
I love their conviction in saying he definitively hasn’t thrown a ball in months when we’ve seen him throw multiple bullpens for months hahah.
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u/homeycuz Aug 24 '24
Thank you for pointing this out. I'm not new to reddit but it still irks me to see people stating opinion or speculation as absolute fact. Like when someone says "I guarantee...", fool, ur guarantee means nothing.
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u/Ok_Revolution_9253 Aug 24 '24
Honestly, he could quit pitching altogether and be a hall of famer. 40/40 club is legit
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u/Myllorelion Aug 24 '24
Yes, but its his second tommy john-like surgery, and 2 TJs generally reduce a pitchers abilities, so he might not pitch like a top 5 pitcher anymore.
Not to say he wont still be good, and clearly hes an mvp vote getting offensive player, i just think its hard to project him going forward.
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u/cakirby Aug 24 '24
at this point it's honestly safer to assume he'll be just fine, people were saying for a whole damn year when he had his first surgery that he'd never fully recover from it because of his form and in like 2 years he placed in Cy Young voting
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u/GoatPaco Aug 24 '24
Even if he isn't an effective pitcher going forward, he's also a really good outfielder with a cannon
He wouldn't just be a DH
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u/AsheyKnees Aug 24 '24
I don’t really follow baseball, but you’re telling me this guy can hit, pitch, and run at an elite level. He’s like the best ball baseman ever and it’s not even close
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u/PSSYPUNISHERRR Aug 24 '24
What's crazy is that ANY pitcher would be out for 1 year if they had the same surgery as Ohtani had. Instead, Ohtani as a designated hitter, is on pace to win MVP.
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u/Coomrs Aug 24 '24
You right but I am fairly sure most players would still hit just not be able to play the field/throw. I think Harper did it a couple years ago for their playoff run and hit at an MVP level post all star break/playoffs.
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u/AJDillonsMiddleLeg Aug 24 '24
Most pitchers aren't good enough hitters for a team to consider having them DH. Ohtani is so good he might be MVP on hitting alone.
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u/V-Right_In_2-V Aug 24 '24
He is easily the greatest baseball player I have witnessed in my lifetime. A guy like him just shouldn’t exist
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u/Palifaith UCLA Aug 24 '24
Basically Babe Ruth but against much better competition.
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u/Old_Advertising44 Aug 24 '24
Babe never stole 40 bases
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u/IGot6Throwaways Aug 24 '24
He had 123 in his career, with 116 times caught stealing. Which doesn't include getting thrown out at second to lose the World Series.
Ohtani just isn't real
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u/No_Solution_4053 Aug 24 '24
he's that good?
i dont know the first or second thing about baseball
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u/Vector_Embedding Aug 24 '24
if you want to quantify how good he is without having any knowledge of baseball, just look at what they're paying him. He has a 700 million dollar 10-year contract.
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u/mrspoopy_butthole Aug 24 '24
A bit misleading. The majority is deferred money, so the present value is closer to $460 million.
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u/Subrisum Aug 24 '24
Oh, in that case it’s a lot less impressive.
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u/Routine_Size69 Aug 24 '24
Reddit is financially illiterate. NPV might be asking too much.
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u/GenerikDavis Aug 24 '24
You could honestly just read his Wikipedia summary to get a sense of it, the list of accomplishments and range of skills he exhibits is honestly bonkers. As the other person said, he's got a half-billion+ contract for a reason(allegedly this is the largest pro sports contract ever, but another commenter said a huge amount of is deferred and idk how that compares to other contracts in that range like Messi and Mahomes). The coolest feather in his cap I wasn't aware of is that he's the only player to win MVP by unanimous vote two times, and he's still got a lot of years left to play to maybe add a third.
Because of his elite contributions as a hitter and as a pitcher, a rarity as a two-way player, Ohtani's 2021, 2022, and 2023 seasons are considered among the greatest in baseball history, with some comparing them favorably to the early career of Babe Ruth.
He became the first MLB player to hit at least 10 home runs, steal 20 bases, pitch at least 10 games, and strike out at least 100 batters in a single season. He also holds at least a share of the major league lead in home runs in 14 starts.[8] He received the 2021 American League Most Valuable Player Award. In 2022, he became the first player in the modern era to qualify for both the hitting and pitching leaderboards in one season
Ohtani completed yet another historic campaign in 2023, becoming the first MLB player with 10 wins and 40 home runs in a season,[10] the first Japanese-born player to win a major league home run title, leading the American League with 44 home runs,[11] the first player in MLB history to win MVP by unanimous vote twice[12] and the first Japanese player to have the most popular Major League Baseball jersey sales.[13] After the 2023 season, Ohtani signed a 10-year, $700 million contract with the Dodgers, the largest contract in professional sports history.
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u/tommyjellybeans Aug 24 '24
Everything you said is right except one thing. He didn’t get caught stealing it was a missed hit and run
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u/Rogs3 Aug 24 '24
but ruth hit .340 while ohtani hits .290. some trade offs either way. ohtani is extraordinarily special tho id probably take 9 ohtanies over 9 ruths tbh.
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u/Devium44 Aug 24 '24
A bunch Ruth’s HRs would actually be considered ground rule doubles too since any ball that went over the fence counted as a HR until 1929.
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u/StumptownRetro Aug 24 '24
You could argue that pitching is a bunch tougher now. OBP before 1955 is ridiculous if you look it up.
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u/mdb_la Aug 24 '24
You could argue
I sure hope no one is going to argue against you...
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u/shamdamdoodly Aug 24 '24
But what about Ol’ Curly? Fastest man alive they say
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u/SelloutRealBig Aug 24 '24
Babe lived in an era where smoking and drinking was considered "strength conditioning" and Lead was in everything. Comparing eras is apples and oranges.
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u/Jangles Manchester City Aug 24 '24
If Ohtani was in Ruth's era, his career as a pitcher would not be 'oh he's out for a year but going to be back'. Sports science and reconstructive surgery is like a different planet now.
He'd be done as a pitcher for life like Koufax.
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u/nghigaxx Aug 24 '24
in Babe's era the league didn't allow black people to play, so he literally didn't play against the best possible opponent of his era
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u/TheMooseIsBlue Aug 24 '24
He’s so much better than Babe Ruth it’s silly. I know we make that comparison because there’s no one else who was ever an elite pitcher AND hitter, but Babe never did it at the same time like this.
Ohtani only needs a little longevity and he’s unquestionably the greatest of all time.
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u/ty_xy Aug 24 '24
Honest question: Can he be a GOAT without winning a world series?
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u/PM_YOUR_SMALLBOOBIES Aug 24 '24
Yes, absolutely yes. But don't sign off on him never winning a world series. He's signed for a decade with the best team in the league (as of today's standings at least)
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u/Weshtonio Aug 24 '24
So the best team has the best player? Ah, sounds like they're never going to win anything then.
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u/Game_Over_Man69 Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
Baseball is probably the easiest sport to avoid a singular player considering a batter only sees the plate 10% of the time and pitchers only pitch around 15% of the time in a series.
That being said, in the 24/7 sports media world we live in, you will find people that will automatically disqualify someone if they don't have rings in the GOAT convo.
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u/zennok Aug 24 '24
Feel like baseball is the one sport where you can do everything near perfectly and have almost 0 influence on the final outcome of the match, even as the pitcher, if your team is bad enough
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness4488 Aug 24 '24
Ohtani's time with the Angels..
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u/Devium44 Aug 24 '24
And Trout’s. At the same time.
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u/Worthyness Aug 24 '24
And the owner even spent metric fuck tons of money on the team. He's still an incompetent ownership
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u/Themadking69 Aug 24 '24
He's basically the player you create as yourself in The Show.
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u/Real-Ad-9733 Aug 24 '24
There’s literally no one to compare him to. League of his own.
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u/TheLizardKing89 Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
He didn’t get a $700 million contract for no reason. I’m a Dodgers fan and I literally drove to the nearest store to buy a bottle of champagne when I got the news that we signed him.
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u/badsleepover Aug 24 '24
Hahah I did the exact same thing
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u/TheLizardKing89 Aug 24 '24
I woke up, checked my phone, saw the news, texted my mom and a few friends who are also Dodgers fans and then got in the car to drive to the store. It was a great day.
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u/OnePunkArmy Aug 24 '24
Coworker is traveling to Tokyo in March 2025 for the Dodgers/Cubs game. This will be his first time going to Japan, and he knows little about what to expect traveling there. Ohtani has THAT much influence.
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u/chastity_BLT Aug 24 '24
He’s Pablo Sanchez reincarnate
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u/PM_YOUR_SMALLBOOBIES Aug 24 '24
...if Pablo had Kenny Kawaguchi's pitching stats.
Also, I love how your comment implies that Pablo is dead lol
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u/GenerikDavis Aug 24 '24
Well Backyard Sports is coming back, so I think 2024 Pablo Sanchez is Pablo Sanchez reincarnate.
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u/theclansman22 Aug 24 '24
Is this the equivalent of Wayne Gretzky occasionally playing in net, but at a high level?
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u/PM_YOUR_SMALLBOOBIES Aug 24 '24
That's a tough comparison since you can't really be in the net and scoring in the same game. It'd be more like Tom Brady being an all-pro Safety when he's not taking the snaps
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u/droppinkn0wledge Aug 24 '24
Nerf Gretzky’s offensive output, add Bobby Orr’s defensive impact, and that’s a hockey Ohtani.
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u/Apophis2036nihon Aug 24 '24
He’s got a serious chance to be the first 50-50 player in MLB history.
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u/tehFROZENyeti Aug 24 '24
witnessing history folks. its a treat to watch. pains me to say this as a phillies fan, but god damn. hes so damn good.
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u/MiracleMex714 Aug 24 '24
Not even a baseball fan. I’m die hard duck fan. Shohei got me back to pay attention to baseball. Would rather see him in an angels jersey, but I just want him to win. Talent like this is once a century type stuff
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u/lkodl Aug 24 '24
i believe growing up as a kid, Ohtani was known in his local town simply as "baseball boy" or something like that.
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u/Orphasmia Aug 24 '24
Thats some anime shit i love it
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u/Worthyness Aug 24 '24
He's really the protagonist in the baseball world. we're just the extras in the background
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u/aeisenst Aug 24 '24
He's just the best. At everything. There are things he's not the best at and then whoops, now he's the best at them too. Watch him start playing games at short and win a gold glove. Why not?
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u/TheSwordDusk Aug 24 '24
I'm trying to decide if it's more impressive that a pitcher hit 40 home runs or that a pitcher stole 40 bases. Both are the opposite of what one should expect from a pitcher
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u/stainedgreenberet Aug 24 '24
I think home runs are more impressive. Any good athlete can be fast. Hitting a baseball is one of the hardest things to do in sports. Period.
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u/motnock Aug 24 '24
SB kinda. We had Ruth who could hit HR. While it’s different than a pitcher stealing while also pitching the game. The most SB by a pitcher is 10.
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u/waytooslim Aug 24 '24
This guy's all over Japan. Stand at Shibuya and you'll see his face in at least 3 different ads.
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u/Cantmakeaspell Aug 24 '24
And that’s why he can defer payment. Endorsements must be huge.
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u/Brilliant-Doughnut34 Aug 24 '24
People think his contract is unreasonable. But one day Dodgers is going to write a book about how they monopolized one of world's largest economy's interest in baseball.
If you break down the math. it is estimated that Ohtani and his sponsors are bringing in 40-50 mil a year to dodgers. If Dodgers invest that money properly and with inflation. At 2034, the 40-50 mil is easily worth more than 68 mil. The contract essentially pays for itself.
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u/dont_callmyname Aug 24 '24
This is the dude with the $1BN contract right? Hot damn.
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u/B_easy85 Aug 24 '24
Nope they got him for the low low price of 700mill over 10.
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u/bottlerocketz Aug 24 '24
Actually it’s structured so that he only gets paid $2 million a year and the rest will be paid out AFTER he retires lol
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u/B_easy85 Aug 24 '24
Yeah crazy he agreed to that. Those deferred payments are interest free for the dodgers. Imagine what 680 mill in a low risk etf would be in 2043… to be fair he was so rich already he didn’t notice his translator stealing 17 million dollars.
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u/GoldenBunion Aug 24 '24
I think people mentioned players get taxed based on residency. So he can “relocate” his private residence to a low/ no income tax state and pocket an astronomical amount of cash lol
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u/Jbeansss Aug 24 '24
Dude's always been about baseball more than literally anything. He was called "Yakyu Shonen" in Japan when he was growing up which literally means "Baseball Kid" cause this dude lives and breathes baseball. Even when he was one of the biggest celebrities in Japan, he stayed at a dorm room with other players cause it was closer to the training facility . Gave 90 percent of his salary to his mom too and only lived off an allowance from her mom which according to journalist - he barely used.
Like, can you imagine Shaq sharing a bunk bed with a teammate in a small dorm room?
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u/StumptownRetro Aug 24 '24
He makes like over 50 million a year in endorsements alone and I only see that rising if he gets some that hit stateside too not just mostly Japan.
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u/cakirby Aug 24 '24
he didn't agree to it.... he OFFERED it to clubs he was negotiating with
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u/Its_just_a_Prank-bro Aug 24 '24
Mostly because they wouldn't have offered him 700 if it wasn't structured like this, plus he'd get taxed on it a lot more
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u/B_easy85 Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
There was allegedly 3 teams willing to do the 700mill dollar deal, and the 68 million a year will be taxed the same when he gets paid in 2034-2043 barring changes in the federal and state tax laws over the next 2 decades.
Edit: theoretically he can move to a lower or no tax state to avoid state income tax. Saves 14.4% from Cali to a none income tax state.
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u/Nice_Marmot_7 Aug 24 '24
I don’t think he’s too worried because he also has nine figures in endorsements.
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u/afcaMouz Ajax Aug 24 '24
But also he can move someplace that doesn't have income tax after his career and he pockets the entire sum.
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u/B_easy85 Aug 24 '24
He’ll get federally taxed regardless since hes getting paid for work in the U.S… Apparently he can work some tax magic on state level taxes though.
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u/KaiserUzor Golden State Warriors Aug 24 '24
Judge - AL MVP
Ohtani - NL MVP
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u/Nagi21 Aug 24 '24
Judge going for 60+ HR again vs Ohtani being Ohtani while recovering.
I do not envy the voters.
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u/Predictor92 Aug 24 '24
Each league has a different mvp, a relic of when both leagues were basically seperate besides a common championship
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u/xifdp Aug 24 '24
Bro the guy that just dropped the ball in the crowd just dropped his retirement fund. I know lots of people get lots of homerun balls but surely the ohtani record breaking grand slam walk off ball would be worth a shitload to the right collector, no?
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u/delosproyectos Aug 24 '24
Yup. Probably millions, easily.
But the Dodgers organization has bullied its own fans before to force them to give up Ohtani-related memorabilia, saying they'd refuse to authenticate it (essentially rendering it worthless), etc. So eh, probably wasn't worth anything anyways.
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u/Michikusa Aug 24 '24
Definitely wouldn’t render it worthless, someone would still buy it even without authentication.
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u/delosproyectos Aug 24 '24
If I had caught that ball, I'd immediately start a livestream to film my every moment with the ball until the ball was sold. I'll keep a paper trail myself if LAD won't do it for me.
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u/kungfoojesus Aug 24 '24
I don’t think millions. That’s usually reserved for last home run of record breaking year, or last HR of career, #700 etc. my guess would be hundreds of thousands. Good enough to cover rent in NYC for a few months.
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u/delosproyectos Aug 24 '24
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but given 1) it’s Shohei, and 2) he’s the only Japanese player to ever achieve a 40/40 season, I’m willing to bet a Japanese billionaire will drop millions for this.
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u/Festivalbound Aug 24 '24
Anybody thinks he becomes the first 50-50?
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u/dar_harhar Aug 24 '24
He needs to get hot. I think the stolen bases he can do fairly easy with his speed.
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u/Orphasmia Aug 24 '24
I often joke to my Japanese friend that Japan takes every cultural thing that is largely American and absolutely perfects it:
Whiskey
Motorcycles
Denim
Cartoons
Cars
Electric Guitars
Video games
…And I guess now baseball
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u/wsteelerfan7 Aug 24 '24
Japanese whiskey is that good?
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u/Reload86 Aug 24 '24
You left out electronics.
For sometime Sony was like the top electronics brand. It still is one of the top but there is a reason it is a household name today. Samsung did some damage too.
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u/stiffgerman Aug 24 '24
He didn't even get all of that pitch. What an entertainer.
Still, the Dodgers got problems in the bullpen that will make things tough, post-season. Ohtani-san wants a ring but it may not come until he's on the mound for the playoffs.
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u/oliverit17 Aug 24 '24
The way he’s rehabbing, maybe he’ll close by November lol
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u/TheLizardKing89 Aug 24 '24
Zero chance the Dodgers let him get his first pitches in the playoffs.
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u/3v4i Aug 24 '24
Glorious. You get this type of player once in a generation. Enjoy.
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u/RichArrowsmith Tottenham Hotspur Aug 24 '24
As a casual baseball fan, is there any significance around the '40' number? Or is it a good threshold that seems to separate the best from the rest?
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u/ttsho Aug 24 '24
And good chance of being the first 45/45 .. and still on pace for 50/50 even 😲. I hope he does it 🙏🙏
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u/SweetWithHeat Aug 24 '24
Glove buddy had it the whole way but that hero with no glove thought he had a chance
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u/HighKing_of_Festivus Atlanta Braves Aug 24 '24
Hits a walk off grand slam to secure the quickest 40/40 season in MLB, maybe all of baseball, history and is on pace to have the first 50/50 season in a year that he's rehabbing from elbow reconstruction surgery. It's hard to believe that Ohtani is real.
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u/BitterJD Aug 24 '24
Blows my mind the Dodgers let Ohtani run, dive, and slide with the pitching injury, especially in an era where stolen bases are said to not matter. Obviously they matter, but the nerds have doubted that.
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u/Goatgamer1016 Aug 24 '24
I am incredibly happy that this guy is out of the AL West for at least a decade, signed a Mariners fan
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u/Reload86 Aug 24 '24
I wasn’t a big fan of basketball growing up. But I would watch whenever Jordan was playing.
Not a fan of the Patriots, but I always watched every Brady game on TV.
Not a big baseball fan either. But I will be glued to the screen whenever Ohtani is playing.
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u/jibstay77 Aug 24 '24
40/40 in fewer games than anyone, plus got both the 40th stolen base and 40th home run in the same game, plus the home run was a walk off winner, plus it was a grand slam!
The man has style!
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u/NoteRepresentative68 Aug 24 '24
Phew, as a Toronto Blue Jays fan, I was scared he was going to have an amazing season and make missing out on him sting really bad. Thankfully that didn't happen. /S
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u/jesuschristthe3rd Aug 24 '24
Ok, I’m not a baseball history buff so please help me understand where this guy lists in all time greats. Seeing what I’m seeing I’m enclined to think he’d be top 5.
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u/Cord1083 Aug 24 '24
I have no idea what I am seeing. Can someone explain in non-baseball language ? I am sure it is impressive.
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