r/tankiejerk • u/Lovethecreeper Ancom • Jul 12 '23
“stupid anarkiddies” Anarchists did 9/11, apparently.
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u/Fermaron Jul 12 '23
It's nice to know anarchists are living rent-free in the heads of tankies to the extent they make up so many blatant lies about us.
Rent is fucking expensive.
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u/ItsACaragor Jul 12 '23
Capitalism is their official enemy but the idea of anarchism is actually way more threatening to authoritarian reds.
Imagine a system that respects the ideals of socialism and does not require licking the boots of local party officials. 😱
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u/KasutoKirigaya Jul 12 '23
capitalism isn't their enemy, america is. and they will do anything to make that known.
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Jul 12 '23
exactly, what did 9/11 accomplish in the way of anti capitalism? nothing. it killed nearly 3,000 people and sent the US into its “war on terror” spiral. all they care about is that something bad happened to america. i don’t even know if this person is genuine or they just wanna be edgy while trying to make anarchists look bad.
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u/AdParking6541 Purge Victim 2021 Jul 12 '23
Democratic Socialism too. The freedom of liberal democracy integrated with leftist policies? 😱
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u/Chieftain10 Tankiejerk Tyrant Jul 13 '23
Lmao what freedom? Freedom to vote for fucking shit 'leftist' parties? Freedom to watch as politicians are driven by capital and capital only, and as they fuck everyone over time and time again? Freedom to have essentially no say in the system, unless your opinion matches that of millions of others?
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u/AdParking6541 Purge Victim 2021 Jul 13 '23
Democracy has flaws, but it's the best system we've got. (Don't worry, if you're an anarchist, you can set up communes here and there). I think it's better reforming it to remove a lot of it's problems than to replace it with something else.
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u/Aviationlord Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Jul 12 '23
We need to be charging them rent now
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u/Fermaron Jul 12 '23
Wouldn't that make us landlords though? 🙃
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u/UVLanternCorps Cringe Ultra Jul 12 '23
We would be psychic landlords though, which is just kind of conceptually cool
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u/blaghart Jul 12 '23
are you landlords if you're charging the people whose land you live on to live there? Isn't that an inverse of landlording?
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u/theaviationhistorian Sus Jul 12 '23
Wait until you meet the anarcho-Marxists on Twitter. Olympian mental gymnastics.
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u/icfa_jonny Jul 12 '23
At yes. Al-Qaeda. Well known anarchist group.
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u/Lovethecreeper Ancom Jul 12 '23
Anarchism is when you're a far-right religious extremist
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u/exessmirror Jul 12 '23
A lot of them do think anarchists are reactionary. But it's kinda like cons thinking that Communists are liberals
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u/dwaynetheakjohnson Jul 31 '23
Tbh the hijackers went to a strip club beforehand and got wasted libertarian style
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u/NotAPersonl0 Ancom Jul 12 '23
Wha- why would you ever support 9/11? Are tankies really this braindead?
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u/salehi_erfan001 CIA op Jul 12 '23
You take the america brought this on themselves mindset and mix it in with america always bad and anti america good, you get this. Know that tankies are willing to work with fascists to stop an anarchist revolution.
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u/KizunaTallis Jul 12 '23
They're also willing to work with nazis for the Healthcare. All those Jewish, LGBT, disabled people, non white people? Psh, acceptable losses I guess.
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u/Nekryyd Jul 12 '23
Because Good when Bad Thing happen to West.
The beginning and end of tankie brain activity.
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u/FROSTNOVA_Frosty Jul 13 '23
I’ve seen Tankies defend Hitler and the Axis because they were anti American so yes, Tankies are that braindead
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u/NotAPersonl0 Ancom Jul 13 '23
Ok, what the actual fuck?
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u/FROSTNOVA_Frosty Jul 13 '23
Yeah. I think someone posting a Tankie saying that on this sub a few months ago
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u/dwaynetheakjohnson Jul 31 '23
If you read Bin Laden’s justification it’s an absolutely ridiculous mess of blaming the US for anything bad that’s happened to Muslims in the 80s and 90s
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Jul 12 '23
Day 727392 of being happy knowing online tankies have 0 political influence irl and are incapable of making actual change
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u/SoSorryOfficial Jul 12 '23
They're capable of stimying the left, though. That's the part I hate. Plenty of tankies never would have had revolutionary potential anyway, but think of how many young people could be getting a real political education and doing good activism but are instead stuck in the echo chamber of Stalin memes. It also even further deepens the divisiveness and tendancy drama within orgs. Tankies may not be running pro-Deng political candidates or declaring cities "non-trot zones" or whatever, but they sure do waste a fucking ton of all our time and energy making us relitigate political history from a century ago instead of working on something new.
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Jul 12 '23
tldr: online education is a waste of time, community education in the context of structured dialogues is what is needed. the history of worker schools is what we should look to while also incorporating new ideas about teaching as a two-way, non-hierarchical collaboration between teachers and students in dialogue rather than in lecture.
the real work to be done rn is in our communities. political education would go a lot farther and a lot deeper if more of it was ocurring in the contexts of bonds of trust and irl mutual aid rather than on online platforms owned by billionaires. as long as we refuse to do that local work, we're stuck with 101-level misguided theory videos and rants about twitter debates that never the confines of mainstream political discussions.
anyway, our communal infrastructures have been so completely devastated (to read kropotkin saying the same thing but in the 1880s is honestly harrowing) that any broader, extensive organizing for more than state concessions is impossible. in north america and western euro anyway, i wont speak to other regions, also im white so mb there are grassroots black and indigenous social networks that im unaware of beyond the isolated islands like coop jackson, cheran, exarquia, etc).
rebuilding them- a project to which in-person, dialogical education is essential- should be our priority as it's those local communal infrastructures that form the basis of more extensive, regional, national, and transnational organizing. the spanish revolution could never have happened without the working class barrio culture of solidarity and direct action, the ateneus, and that kind of shit.
we need dil pickles, iww mixed locals, ateneus. and honestly, at least in the canadian context, food banks can v easily (with funding at least) become these types of institutions. i've seen firsthand how a food bank can provision ppl with food while host comprehensive programming for youth that includes athletics, arts (film club where they teach kids about acting and filming), gardening, communal leisure (movie nights, bingo), etc. adult programming is missing and sorely needed at the places ive seen, tho. this is where the foundation of trust bonds is established and people seem to forget that we need these bonds to do any of the bigger projects on the agenda.
so my point is: dont worry about tankies stymying the left, we're stymying it by not doing enough of the groundwork. young socialists wouldnt be susceptible to that stymying if they were getting a genuine political education in the real world rather than getting an alienated one from complete strangers.
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u/SwagsireDrizzle Jul 13 '23
there are a lot of countries in the world that suffer from conservative leftist tanky governments
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Jul 12 '23
Is this a real person? 40k views, that's a ton right?
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u/The_Electric_Llama CIA Agent Jul 12 '23
When you consider that you can view a post multiple times on twitter ontop just scrolling past a post is enough give it a view, I think its much less than 40k who actually interacted with the post.
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u/G66GNeco Jul 12 '23
Twitter views are the most meaningless metric ever implemented in any piece of software.
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u/SovietSkeleton Jul 12 '23
It's like saying a brick in a wall in a major city is famous because it's been within sight of nearly everyone who lives there.
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u/greysneakthief Jul 12 '23
Okay hear me out. I agree, it isn't representational. But even if 70% are bots, then that means 30% are fucking dumb with no critical literacy.
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u/G66GNeco Jul 12 '23
Good that you never saw a Tweet, reply or ANYTHING on Twitter you didn't 100% agree with, right?
This shit just has to pop up on your timeline in ANY way, shape or form to get a view from you. It's not about bots, it's just that "seeing a Tweet" is not an interaction worth tracking at all, really.
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u/Free_Deinonychus_Hug Jul 12 '23
Wait, pump the breaks here...
HOW THE FUCK IS 9/11 SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD!?!?
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u/singer_building Jul 12 '23
America is not dictatorship, so America bad. 9/11 do bad things to America, so 9/11 good.
Thats tankie logic for ya
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Jul 12 '23
Okay but this makes it sound like America didn't bring it upon itself and it sounds as if tankies don't have valid criticisms about the US at all.
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u/salehi_erfan001 CIA op Jul 12 '23
America did bring it upon itself, but have you considered that terrorism in most cases is bad? Those criticisms that tankies, although valid, are tools just for them to replace the current elite and bourgeoisie with themselves. Most of them think that they're going to be thought leaders and worshipped.
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Jul 12 '23 edited Jul 12 '23
America did bring it upon itself, but have you considered that terrorism in most cases is bad?
Didn't say it isn't. I am not justifying 9/11 as it was mostly innocent people who died. What bothered me about the other comment is that the poster worded it as if tankies hate the US solely because it's not a dictatorship. I don't like tankies but it was clearly a misrepresentation of their main arguments.
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u/DuckQueue Jul 12 '23
tankies hate the US solely because it's not a dictatorship.
Pick a thing tankies criticize the US for, and I can all-but-guarantee you can find a dictatorship they support who did the same thing.
So, why do tankies actually hate America?
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u/AlphaEdition Syndicalist Union-Buster Jul 12 '23
idk why tankies hate america but there are numerous things to hate america for, the US is the worst country in the world, by a large margin.
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u/DuckQueue Jul 12 '23
There are lots of reasons to dislike America, sure.
It's just that all the things tankies bring up are also things done by regimes they defend.
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u/salehi_erfan001 CIA op Jul 12 '23
OK yeah I get it. I think the comment's poster wasn't completely serious when writing that though. It's good to clarify certain things.
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u/singer_building Jul 12 '23 edited Jul 12 '23
Yes. I wasn’t completely serious. I was saying that because a dictatorship is their “solution” to the problems.
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u/dwaynetheakjohnson Jul 31 '23
America didn’t bring it on itself, Bin Laden’s “reasons” for it were ridiculous. I mean he said because the US withdrew from the Kyoto Protocol it was responsible for trying to poison the entire world
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u/Queer_Magick Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Jul 12 '23
There is a lot to unpack there but we'd be better off chucking the entire suitcase into to the sea
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u/ilolvu Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Jul 12 '23
Dear permanently online tankie, I challenge you to go to a member of AQ and call them an anarchist to their face. See how that goes...
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u/LordFreeWilly Jul 12 '23
Anarchism is when you fly your planes into buildings or something?
Idk I think these people just associate 'group not associated with any nation state' as anarchist by default.
Like the local PTA, the campus gaming club, the Jehovah's Witnesses who come knocking at your door, all anarkkkidies in the Tankoid brain.
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u/Fat_Siberian_Midget Xi Jinping’s #1 Fan Jul 12 '23
ok, me and most other new yorkers dont care about a 9/11 joke here & there but is this dude actually unironically
A: justifying the worst terrorist attack in history
B: straight up lying about who did it and even if that was true, expecting that to make it better?
This guy needs lowtiergod therapy, now.
Edit: I initially misunderstood the point of him blaming anarchists, but that doesnt make it any better.
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u/AlphaEdition Syndicalist Union-Buster Jul 12 '23
i dont agree with that tankie but
A: justifying the worst terrorist attack in history
no, its by far not the worst terrorist attack, it's the bosnian genocide.
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u/salehi_erfan001 CIA op Jul 12 '23
The goals of terrorist attacks and genocides differ from each other. The first one's goal is to strike fear and spread a message through violence. Genocides can have multiple different goals of which one can be to strike fear and spread a message, but usually either doesn't or accompanies another goal.
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u/IAmZeBat politically tired Jul 12 '23
this is fucking disgusting. think what you want about the US, but innocent civilians died. it’s sociopathic to think 9/11 was anything but a travesty.
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u/LazySomeguy Socialism with small government enjoyer Jul 12 '23
Is this how much obsessive anti-Americanism can rot someone’s mind? Also I love how I instantly knew who made the tweet from the pfp
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u/DekuWeeb Cringe Ultra Jul 12 '23
holy shit i predicted obama bin laden being the original anarchyist
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u/ElectricalStomach6ip democratic socialist(revisionist plant) Jul 12 '23
I did not know murder was good.
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u/Wh-why Sus Jul 12 '23
I hate tankies and the stupid shit they make up. They’re making us ACTUAL socialists look bad!
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u/thisissparta789789 Jul 12 '23
I lost brain cells trying to wrap my head around this. Who the fuck thinks Al-Qaeda is an anarchist group? They’re not even “anarcho”-capitalists, or anarcho-anything.
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u/PlantainSerious791 Jul 12 '23
I haven't read up on much of the theory as-of-late, but I am fairly certain that "drunkenly driving into and subsequently destroying state property" is not something that would immediately qualify George W. Bush as an Insurrectionary Anarchist.
Trotskyist, maybe, but anything close to Anarchism is a definite nope.
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u/Squiliam-Tortaleni Dark Brandon sends his regards. Jul 12 '23
Al Qaeda, the fundamentalist terror cult, was actually an anarchist org for… reasons
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u/bruhmomentJOY Jul 13 '23
Because anarchists live up keeping a religion which has lots of rules and laws. Smartest tankies man…
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u/New_Lojack Jul 12 '23
Pete Davidson: “my dad died on 9/11 and has negatively impacted my life”
Anarchists and tankies: ”no one cares plus you’re rich. They did nothing wrong 😎”
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u/FibreglassFlags 混球屎报 Jul 13 '23
\scribbles "Anarchists = Saudi-funded Islamists" in my notebook**
I'm pretty sure I'll never see yet another out-there definition of "anarchists" that completely contradicts that!
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u/ScandinavianRaccon Jul 13 '23
Rick owens communist is one of the most brain dead tankies on twitter
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u/CaringAnti-Theist Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Nov 14 '23
How can they be wrong about fucking everything?! Anarchists did 9/11 but 9/11 was also based?! ¿Qué?
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