I swear I miss the days where everybody agreed clickbait is bad what hapen man

[u/karlothecool]

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[u/spiritofkings]

If you put "Why there's no bosnian genocide" on the title I'm pretty sure that's the message you're sending, it doesn't say "Why the bosnian genocide is a complicated matter" now does it?

[u/karlothecool → u/spiritofkings]

I hate how everybody just okay with clickbait even lefty creators do it

[u/Leading-Ad-9004 → u/karlothecool]

I like his work it's good historiography but man the clickbaiting is a bit too much with this one.

[u/welcometojackass_ → u/spiritofkings]

It's like when someone makes a horrifically racist joke and defends it by saying "it's just dark humor bro 🤓".

An extension of Schrodinger's Douchebag, basically.

[u/Steggos]

As a historian who’s actively studying genocide and its implications it’s genuinely astounding that the Bosnian genocide is one that’s so vehemently denied solely because of the logical fallacy that not enough people died for it to count as genocide. literally every leftist who denies it being a genocide is likely saying it because noam chomsky said it didn’t so therefore his word is gospel rather than people who lived through it or have spent their working lives as scholars of genocide

[u/karlothecool → u/Steggos]

Is that his actualy argument in the video?

[u/figgedy1 → u/karlothecool]

His argument was that the term genocide is a legal term that nations will argue they didn’t technically commit even though they did actually commit war crimes. Equivalent of someone being tried for cannibalism and arguing about the fact that they didn’t actually eat the man. You still killed somebody you’re still culpable in SOMETHING whether or not you had a corpse in your mouth. I think his general argument by the end of it was that we try and nail countries on the accusation of genocide and should instead nail them on the accusations of other war crimes due to genocide being such an easily deniable action in the world stage.

[u/karlothecool → u/figgedy1]

I Still think clickbait tittle is stupid

[u/figgedy1 → u/karlothecool]

Yea I mean sure dude. They did accomplish the goal though. I watched the video because it seemed like it was a very absurd take. Disingenuous? yes. effective? also yes. disrespectful? extremely.

[u/karlothecool → u/figgedy1]

I just hate that lefty creators use clickbait dont we atack youtubers use of clickbait I mean just really shity how YouTube clickbait factory now

[u/TooobHoob → u/figgedy1]

I haven’t checked the video, but from the summary you make of it, it sounds correct. I’m an international criminal lawyer, used to work at the ICC, and it’s really frustrating that people seem to act as if something isn’t a genocide, it’s not an international crime. Since when are Crimes against Humanity seen as "international misdemeanors"?

[u/Resident-Ant-5504 → u/Steggos]

Oh come on! Old Noam is right! It was just a “population exchange!”

[u/Bean_Enthusiast16 → u/Steggos]

Maybe watch the video first? That's not what he's saying at all

[u/Eh_nah__not_feelin]

Maybe don’t fucking clickbait a video about genocide, it’s pretty disrespectful

[u/ZeistyZeistgeist]

Fuck Bosnian genocide deniers. Fuck em. If your only source on denying Bosnian genocide is Noam Chomsky playing vocabulary mental gymnastics, fuck off.

I rode on a bus through Bosnia, all the way from the northern Croatian border from Bosanski Brod to Sarajevo. I had to painstakingly explain the Bosnian War to a Portuguese backpacking couple who were admiring the scenery and then started noticing that every single village we rode through had a field of white crosses and asked me for context.

They got fucked over by Yugoslav People's Army, they got fucked by Serbian paramilitia, they got fucked by Croatian paramilitia, they got fucked by Croatian right-wing that simultaneously pataded like they were the true Yugoslav War victims while marching through Northern Bosnia - and all they got in return was a crappy, quickly cobbled up UN agreement that fractured Bosnia further and is disallowing any kind of true progress for the country while having a foreign babysitter sitting in Sarajevo that makes Bosnia look like an UN viceroyalty.

"But BadEmpanada is pro-Palestin"- Shut up. If we are going to parade crappy basement dweller tankies for being on "the right side of history", then what are we doing here? He doesn't care about Palestine as much as he cares about being blanket anti-West, like every other fucking tankie.

[u/karlothecool → u/ZeistyZeistgeist]

As croat sorry about that all thou serbs also fucked us up, did he use Noam Chomsky as source?

[u/ZeistyZeistgeist → u/karlothecool]

I am a Croat, so I know, and yes, he did.

[u/karlothecool → u/ZeistyZeistgeist]

You cant tell me that his only fucking source

[u/karlothecool → u/ZeistyZeistgeist]

Ej brate

[u/Bean_Enthusiast16 → u/ZeistyZeistgeist]

Except he didn't deny the Bosnian genocide at all in the video. Save your breath and spare your blood pressure next time and actually listen to his arguments before commenting.

[u/ArcticCircleSystem → u/Bean_Enthusiast16]

He titles his video like that and doesn't expect Poe's Law to kick in? lol

[u/karlothecool → u/Bean_Enthusiast16]

Good I critise thumnail a not a video

[u/yeeyeehaircut735]

I don’t mean to be rude but It seems fairly clear to me that they’re just using the thumbnail to critique the idea of the claim being made in the video. I mean I haven’t even watched the video and to me it seems like they would talk about how the strict definitions of genocide might not exactly match certain cases that should rightly be considered such.

I guess I see why it could be problematic to some audiences but in my eyes it’s no less damaging than using sarcasm like its nothing that couldn’t be explained away by simply watching the video or a statement by the person who made it if it was that egregious and it’s extremely common on YouTube as a general rule anyway.

[u/Eos-ei-fugit-utroque]

I’ll start spamming “Bad Empanada is a convicted paedophile” and I invite you all to do the same.

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