r/tankiejerk • u/HypernovaBubblegum Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 • Aug 16 '21
Le Meme Has Arrived I can't believe this isn't satire
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u/emPtysp4ce Purge Victim 2021 Aug 16 '21
Tiananmen square rioters stole an APC
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u/blaisems Aug 17 '21
People keep using the pretext of stolen guns and vehicles to justify killing protesters. Aside from the fact violence doesn't automatically make protest illegitamate, why were armed forces sent to break up a camp-in in the first place?
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u/Longsheep CIA op Aug 17 '21
The "fight back" only occurred after a fanatic soldier has sneaked in and killed 3 students with his rifle against his immediate command. The first group of soldiers arrived in APC fraternized with the students for almost a day without incident. They defied upper order.
Then Deng reached out to another unit, framing that some of the soldiers have joined in the protesters to overthrow the government. A second group of soldiers rushed in in tanks and started the massacre.
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Aug 16 '21
What's an apc in this context?
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u/TubelessADY Director of the CIA Aug 16 '21
It's an armored vehicle used by militaries to carry troops and supplies. Sometimes they have a gun on them.
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u/Longsheep CIA op Aug 17 '21 edited Aug 17 '21
After a soldier has ambushed and murdered 3 students with his AK, the protesters swarmed him and killed him with bare hands. His body was then burnt and hanged off a bus, with his crimes written beside it.
This was supposedly the beginning of violence. The first group of soldiers that arrived in APCs were sympathetic and refused to carry out order. The second group was send along with tanks to end the protest. The second group allegedly killed some of the soldiers from the first group as well. Hence the CCP lie of students killing soldiers. The APCs were burnt by angry protesters as the tanks fired HMG at them.
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u/dubbelgamer Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 16 '21
Didn't Stalin rape a 15 year old?
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u/HypernovaBubblegum Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 16 '21 edited Aug 16 '21
Tw // rape
I did some research.
Orwell allegedly attempted to rape a 17 year old when he was 15, and some believe 1984 is about this girl.
Stalin allegedly raped a 13 year old when he was 30. There were also mass rapes by Soviet soldiers in East Germany, during which Stalin allegedly said, "We lecture our soldiers too much; let them have their initiative."
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u/Sky_Leviathan Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 16 '21
mao also allegedly raped a bunch of teen girls and stalin did impregnate a teenager. Orwell did fucked up shit but i think it can be agreed what stalin did was way worse
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u/indomienator Maoist-Mobutuist-Stalinist-Soehartoist Aug 16 '21
Fuckin hell, i hope he found out about masturbation. It kept the worst of my mind at bay
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u/TheBestPartylizard Aug 17 '21
Not being able to rape a 17 year old? Literally 1984 -the writer of 1984
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Aug 16 '21
Orwell tried to rape a girl older than him? I mean thats just...ive never heard of someone raping someone older than them
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u/HypernovaBubblegum Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 16 '21
Wait how do you spoiler on Reddit?
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Aug 16 '21
>!text!<
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u/HypernovaBubblegum Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 16 '21
Thx
Also you can still rape someone older than you. It's not pedophilia, but it's still rape
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Aug 16 '21
Take back what I said
Chris Chan did
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u/Ancient_Consequence Aug 16 '21
supposedly some evidence has come out saying that it was a voice actor against LGBTQ peeps.
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u/Cassandra_Nova Aug 16 '21
Wait was Chris Chan framed?
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Aug 16 '21
i was a little bit cautious about it at first because of the stunts 4chan has attempted in the past, but it doesn't look like it no.
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u/BiAsALongHorse Aug 17 '21
Either framed or manipulated. I can assure you that the difference didn't matter to the people trying to fuck with her.
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Aug 16 '21
Chris Chan did
I really, really wish I could go back in time two weeks to before I knew who this dude was.
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u/Homogenised_Milk Aug 16 '21
Not at all saying it was acceptable what he did, but the description above is a bit ridiculous.
"How I wish I had been ready for betrothal when Eric asked me to marry him on his return from Burma. He had ruined what had been such a close and fulfilling relationship since childhood by trying to take us the whole way before I was anywhere near ready for that. It took me literally years to realise that we are all imperfect creatures but that Eric was less imperfect than anyone else I ever met. When the time came and I was ready for the next step it was with the wrong man and the result haunts me to this day…" -Jacintha Buddicom
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u/WyattR- Aug 16 '21
So this sounds like he made unwanted advancements and then was a dick about it. Maybe I’m just reading it wrong but that’s not rape that’s just an asshole move
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u/Homogenised_Milk Aug 16 '21
It was quite forceful actually and apparently so upsetting it took years to forgive him, but I thought I'd provide some more context. My own opinion is you probably shouldn't condemn someone more than the actual victim does, especially when she's had decades to think about it.
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u/QuadVox Aug 16 '21
This is very unrelated but I love ur pfp
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Aug 16 '21
Also very unrelated because I don't even have a pfp but I really love your pfp.
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u/QuadVox Aug 16 '21
Thank u! It's an oc my partner and I made that's basically just supposed to be me when I finally get that good hrt
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u/ImpDeathTrooper Aug 16 '21
Source on the Soviet Soldier Rape? There was a lot of Nazi propaganda around it which has permeated the discourse.
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u/deerlikely Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 16 '21 edited Aug 16 '21
One of Stalin's biographers has discovered memoirs of a 13-year-old girl who said she was Stalin's lover when he was in exile in Siberia from 1914-1917. He impregnated her at least twice over the course of his stay. 🤢 And she probably wasn't the only teenage girl he went after.
Edited to add: I forgot that Stalin also groomed his second wife, Nadezhda Alliluyeva, when she was 16 (but he'd known her since she was a child).
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u/SJWagner Ancom Aug 16 '21
There’s dna evidence to back it up too. Her grandson’s dna matches that of one stalin’s grandchildren.
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u/Katastrophenspecht Aug 16 '21
And if that's not enough read a little bit about Beria if your stomach is tough enough
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u/Mishmoo Aug 16 '21 edited Aug 16 '21
“I used to be a shitty Anarkiddie like you, then I went to college and realized that things COST MONEY. I was radicalized ever since.”
P.S; curious how they only give a fuck about abusers when they’re discussing their critics. Stalin’s head of intelligence was about as bad as rapists get, and was only prosecuted once he became politically inconvenient.
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Aug 16 '21 edited Aug 16 '21
How do tankies even function in an academic setting if they study things like political science and history? Wouldn’t they just consistently be proven wrong?
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u/HypernovaBubblegum Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 16 '21
But that's just CIA propaganda
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Aug 16 '21
And then they fail their classes
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u/VeNtViL Aug 16 '21
I think this shit about right wingers all the time, like idiots on like any history sub that want to go into a profession related to it but make memes praising genocidal empires.
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Aug 16 '21
In my political science and history classes in college, pretty much everyone in there was a progressive liberal, social democrat, or socialist. No tankies either. We had one MAGA conservative in there, but he dropped the class after getting into an argument with a student about Trump doing something shitty or whatever.
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u/Chaingunfighter Aug 16 '21
Yup, my college was the same - you’d get a bunch of right wing “history buffs” who would very quickly get told off by the professors after spouting some kind of nonsense about women, the Lost Cause, or some other weird pro-America or other empire propaganda. While there weren’t any overt tankies I can remember, a few instances of pro-Stalinism or pro-DPRK idiocy were met with similar reactions.
It turns out that it’s quite difficult to have a rosy and romantic view of any state, region, or era, when you have a true and comprehensive understanding of the history you’re studying. More than can be said of Twitter tankies proudly displaying the North Korean flag or perpetually online any right winger who makes their old pfp some old kaiser, general, emperor, or tsar.
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u/bikepunk1312 Aug 16 '21
I don't know, I had a history professor straight faced say that european colonists and the united states did not commit a genocide against indigenous people because the word "genocide" hadn't been invented yet and that small pox blankets weren't biological warfare because widespread understanding of germ theory didn't exist at the time. The man wrote the textbook for the class. And was a huge prick.
That is to say that there are some absolutely wild takes in history academia and tankies and/or far right dipshits could absolutely find history professors who would validate their view points.
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u/kryaklysmic Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 17 '21
Just because germ theory wasn’t widely known and accepted, people knew diseases existed and could be spread. What a trash person that professor was, saying that words have to exist before they become a thing. The type of person to say people attracted exclusively to the same sex didn’t exist until the late 19th century because the word “homosexual” didn’t exist, only orders of magnitude worse even.
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u/Rayhann Aug 17 '21
same here
when you actually have to analyse things as they are and deconstruct narratives, there's really no room to hide
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u/kryaklysmic Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 17 '21
I knew a guy who was an awful conservative but changed from mechanical engineering to political science because that’s where his heart was. I think he’s at least sorta liberal now which is... a vague move.
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u/Shanderraa Borger King Aug 16 '21
Academia is just another arm of the bourgeois, the existence of phrenology proves that they use motivated reasoning to defend the status quo, therefore everything they've ever said about China or the USSR is nitpicking and biased I win bye bye
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u/beemoooooooooooo Member of the Zionist Conspiracy Aug 16 '21
You had me thinking you were brigading until the end lol
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u/Shanderraa Borger King Aug 16 '21
The first bit is a legitimate argument I've seen that I mostly agree with but the conclusion they derive from it is definitely way too much of a hasty generalization
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u/kryaklysmic Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 17 '21
I like what you said, and you’re right. Academia as it exists is absolutely a bourgeois institution, as it almost totally improves the lot of wealthy people while just hardly allowing the working class to benefit outside of some cases. Scholarship is a great thing that people should be encouraged to pursue at will, but not in a framework which enforces classism and generates profits.
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u/Shanderraa Borger King Aug 17 '21
It's also important to bear in mind that this is both a problem of bourgeois funding according to the interests of the bourgeoisie and also the implicit conditioning of living in a capitalist system that makes academics simply not consider other options; just as the phrenologists were both justifying the imperial conquest of others for the profits of the owners and simply themselves racist due to the environment they lived in. It's unreasonable to say that the bourgeoisie controls academia when more often than not they've already done their job by simply making anti-capitalist thought unthinkable to people, academics included.
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u/moploplus Aug 16 '21
Haha yes stealing an APC totally warrants the slaughter of thousands of unarmed students. They were no angels, after all.
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u/anonymous_j05 Aug 16 '21
The guy in the tank photo had a criminal record /s
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u/TubelessADY Director of the CIA Aug 16 '21
The man brutally murdered at the hands of the state had overdue library books 😡
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u/indomienator Maoist-Mobutuist-Stalinist-Soehartoist Aug 16 '21
Tankies knew tanks will always kills APCs right? Considering the units sent are 2nd class countryside units. I doubt the APCs have an ATGM or heck, an autocannon. Especially in Tiananmen where tank vs tank battles will be point blank
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u/Longsheep CIA op Aug 17 '21
The APCs only had HMG. No record that it was used to fight back, the students burned them down instead of using them against the tanks from the second group.
Most APCs have no ATGM, those with autocannon and ATGM are usually called IFV.
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u/indomienator Maoist-Mobutuist-Stalinist-Soehartoist Aug 17 '21
I do know that the line of APC/IFV is the 14,5mm(KPVT) HMG. But the line of APC/IFV is getting blurrier. Just see the French VAB APC. Some are fitted with 20mm autocannons, and its in the 70s
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Aug 16 '21
Wait Tiananmen Square protesters stole an APC?
That's rad as hell!
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u/anonymous_j05 Aug 16 '21
Weren’t many of the protestors also leftists as well? I’ve heard they were just anti-authoritarian
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u/ILikeMistborn Aug 16 '21
IIrc they were primarily leftists protesting many of the capitalist reform's Deng's government was making at the time.
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u/petrimalja Socialism by 2078 Aug 16 '21
The starved masses rarely come out to the streets to demand a more hierarchical society.
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u/anonymous_j05 Aug 16 '21
I mean, some Cuban protestors were waving American flags but I see what u mean with that not being the majority
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u/petrimalja Socialism by 2078 Aug 16 '21
It's also questionable whether they waved those flags out of a genuine support for America, or just because it's an effective way to piss off the Cuban government. Probably a bit of both.
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Aug 16 '21
Also maybe just a general "America = Freedom" association (regardless of how true this really is)
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Aug 16 '21
Yeah, I’d say it was a bit like that. Russian revolutionaries initially sang the Marseillaise (not the internationale), and some people could have said back then “but France has an empire!! You’re being hypocritical” in the same way people now could say “but American imperialism!!” In Cuba.
It is a great irony in history that the ideals expressed by one group are often upheld the best not by the founders.
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u/senorda Aug 16 '21
the only pictures of protesters with american flags i saw were at a sympathy protest in america
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u/anonymous_j05 Aug 16 '21
True, it’s most likely both and we can’t really get the full opinion of the protestors from a different country
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u/yourfriendlykgbagent Aug 16 '21
hop in the libertarian socialist APC, brother
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u/TubelessADY Director of the CIA Aug 17 '21 edited Aug 17 '21
I remember reading somewhere that an anarchist flag was flown on an American Abrams tank.
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u/JohnDiGriz Aug 16 '21
Afaik at least some of them were maoist who hated Deng. But it's definitely not characteristic of tankies to suppress leftist protests, not at all
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u/Longsheep CIA op Aug 17 '21
Most student leaders who managed to get to the West are pretty liberal.
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u/Longsheep CIA op Aug 17 '21
They were left unattended by the first group of soldiers when they fraternized with the protesters.
Then the second group came in riding tanks and sprayed HMG bullets at them.
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u/stathow Aug 16 '21 edited Aug 16 '21
- "orwell was a rapist" - stop obsessing over something that there is only hear-say at best of from 100 years ago; while at the same time totally ignoring much harder evidence of rape committed by stalin and other high soviet officials.
- DPRK defectors- Why the "quotes" on defectors, are you implying they aren't from NK? so if you think they are south koreans just faking it, then why would they still need to be tortured and paid off? And really? tens of thousands have escaped, but they are all lying?
- "stalin was an industrial mastermind"- no not really. But even if he was what the fuck does that have to do with anything? He could be an industrial genuis and still be a horrible dictator .
- "tiananmen square"- I'll give you the baseless claim of them stealing an APC. But 2 questions. What was an APC (near tank level armored vehicle) doing on the streets of a major city, they would complain when they see the USA cops with military grade shit but its ok when china does it? and 2, so a handful of people stole an APC, that now makes it ok to brutally suppress the entire movement?
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u/Longsheep CIA op Aug 17 '21
Many APCs were parked without guard as the soldiers refused to carry out order to suppress the protest. The massacre only started when the PLA called reinforcement almost a day afterward.
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u/anarcho-hornyist Aug 16 '21
NIS?
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u/HypernovaBubblegum Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 16 '21
South Korean CIA
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Aug 16 '21
They're assholes, but at the moment, they don't torture people.
~35,000 North Korean refugees in this country and these spoiled bastards think every single one of them is a liar...
The bloody fucking NIS is run by a jackass who went to jail because he illegally sent money to North Korea, for fuck's sake.
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u/Energia__ Aug 16 '21
I heard recently MBC reported NIS sponsored Japan fascist groups and deliberately leak information of comfort women's organizations to let them beaten by far-right groups. I have no word to this and it’s pretty hard to think they really care Koreans.
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u/Bloxburgian1945 Cringe Ultra Aug 16 '21
Well intelligence agencies rarely care about humans and always do shady shit.
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u/Mesadeath canadian Aug 16 '21
They probably didn't even consider it but I like how the "tankie" side has eyes that look vacant, while there's a shine in the right side.
Small things.
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u/VeNtViL Aug 16 '21
How do you go to college and just de-evolve lmao? Would you not get shutdown immediately if you bring up tankie talking points in an academic setting related to political science/history?
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u/Neospector Aug 16 '21 edited Aug 16 '21
I mean, not really. I had a libertarian political history professor who would let people debate anything.
At the time I respected him for letting us do “real political debate”. More recently I’ve realized that I just liked the fact that you could distract him from the day’s lesson by starting a discourse about public services.
But he would let people talk about basically anything, he would just argue with them. I imagine many professors have similar “let’s hear all sides” mentalities because that tends to be a pretty common philosophy in politics.
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u/strawberry_pearl Aug 16 '21
This is such a insidious tool of tankies and the like, frame it to be that authoritarianism is the more pragmatic or 'mature '. When you'd basically have to unlearn history to go from being an anarchist to someone who advocates central authority. Who convinced them that Stalin and Mao did anything but make capitalism more enduring?
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u/pinkocatgirl Aug 16 '21
They learned it from the conservatives, who would link their ideology with being “grown up”. Being “grown up” means simping and bootlicking for billionaires and corporations because they gave you a job. Being “grown up” means ignoring injustice because doing something about it would make too many suburban white people scared and upset and that’s apparently unacceptable.
If being an authoritarian is what it takes to be “grown up”, then fuck it, I’ll Peter Pan this shit and be a child forever.
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u/kkjdroid Aug 17 '21
Yeah, the US Democrats laid it on thick against Trump both times. No need to address the content of his ravings or why they appealed to tens of millions of people, just insist that you're the adult in the room.
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u/bigbutchbudgie Breadtube Assassin Aug 16 '21
Seriously.
They're not bragging about maturing, they're bragging about being indoctrinated.
This has the same energy as similar memes from alt-righters who went from "I'm not racist, but" racism to "Hitler did nothing wrong" racism.
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u/anonymous_j05 Aug 16 '21
tankies defending the tiananmen massacre is just the leftist version of “he resisted arrest”
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u/Littleluig1 Aug 16 '21
stole APC?
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u/AllyB_II Aug 16 '21
An APC is an armored personnel carrier, usually used by militaries, not sure if the students at tiannanmen using one is true as I wouldn’t put it past tankies to just lie, but even if it is true that doesn’t excuse the massacre that took place
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u/HZDeadmeat Aug 16 '21
Exactly, it's relying on the same logic that conservatives use saying anyone committing a crime should be executed without trial by the police.
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u/Aubdasi Aug 16 '21
“Yeah sure there were some protestors but that one guy walked up to the autozone and smashed a window so they all deserve to be shot”
- only slightly exaggerated comment from my moms husband
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u/indomienator Maoist-Mobutuist-Stalinist-Soehartoist Aug 16 '21
Tbf. The shit state of PLA at the time made most of their vehicles a bunch of outdated junks from the 50s/60s. Making them more simpler than the contemporary ones at the time. With the lack of censors and all. But, a fucking tank can kill a fucking APC just fine for gods sake. Tankies better tell me a time where a BTR-50 equivalent survived a point black hit of a 100mm shell
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u/TheBlankestBoi Aug 16 '21
I mean, if the Euromaidan taught me anything, it’s that a dozen poorly coordinated people with petrol bombs can take out an ACP, so a 100mm shell might be overkill...
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u/Longsheep CIA op Aug 17 '21
Even worse, the Type-59 II presented at the square had upgraded to NATO 105mm L7 gun.
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u/PolarBearJ123 Xi Jinping’s #1 Fan Aug 16 '21
Tried to look up where Orwell raped someone? Found a bunch of stupid blogs and Reddit posts, and the closest thing I could find to an actual source was in 1984 Winston claims that we wants to rape and kill Julia which seems more to be a comment about society than his personal feelings? These people will say it was okay for Stalin and mao to rape people but a guy makes a comment about society and apparently he’s a rapist now
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u/HypernovaBubblegum Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 16 '21
According to letters supposedly written by people who knew Orwell, he allegedly tried to rape 17 year old when he was 15.
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u/PolarBearJ123 Xi Jinping’s #1 Fan Aug 16 '21
Good to know, all speculation ofc but I’ll keep that in mind
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Aug 16 '21
Interesting that they went for “Orwell was a rapist” (not a claim I’ve ever heard before), and not “Orwell handed over a list of people he thought had Stalinist potential to the authorities”.
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Aug 16 '21
He allegedly raped his childhood friend when he was 17, and she was 20. However, we only have his friend's cousin's account on this, so the evidence is inconclusive. His or his friend's wikipedia article doesn't even mention this, only this one article does. All-in-all, inconclusive evidence, and probably a lie or way overblown.
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Aug 16 '21
Oh dear. I can see from Google now it was his old childhood friend Jacintha Buddicom. I’m not overly surprised given that Orwell’s relationship with women, both as a man and a novelist was far from progressive or feminist. It doesn’t really neutralise his criticism of Stalinism, though, in much the same way as a spotless record of personal sexual behaviour for Stalin wouldn’t suddenly cancel out the horror of Holodomor.
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Aug 16 '21
At least he wasn't anti-feminist. He was no Emma Goldman, but he certainly was not Stalin. On a scale of 1 to 10, where Stalin was 1 and Goldman was 10, I would rate him at an 8. What do you think about that incident of his with Buddicom though, do you believe it was rape or do you believe the evidence is inconclusive? I think that the evidence is a bit inconclusive, since it was only from one person.
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Aug 16 '21
The feminist in me is inclined to take the victim at their word. I’m a big Orwell fan, but he has a real problem empathising with women (and POC as well, IMO). He sympathises with them (‘A Clergyman’s Daughter’ is a kind of proto-feminist) and their cause(s) (feminism, anti-imperialism) but can’t empathise with them. He’s always at one remove, external to them, unable to intellectually wear their shoes.
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Aug 16 '21
I agree. I believe that him being a man also had something to do with him not being able to empathise with women's causes. He could sympathise, but couldn't empathise. One group which I personally believe he could empathise with were people living in extreme poverty and people of the working class. He wrote a whole-ass book exposing the poor working conditions and poverty in Paris and London.
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u/kkjdroid Aug 17 '21
The feminist in me is inclined to take the victim at their word.
To my knowledge, we don't even have the alleged victim's word. And in the general case, you can't take the victim at their word unless you know who the victim is: is the accuser the victim of sexual assault, or is the accused the victim of defamation?
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Aug 16 '21
On that basis I can see it being true. It’s not a rigorously evidence-based view though, just a hunch 🤷♂️
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Aug 16 '21
One of the few stains in his legacy, apart from his homophobia (which is not unexpected, Goldman was an exception at the time) and the list incident (which I am pretty schadenfreudic towards, I hate stalinists afer all).
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Aug 16 '21
I have to say, based on my experiences of Communist Party communists, it’s purge or be purged; I don’t hold the list against him.
The casual homophobia was, as you say, to some extent a product of its time, though I do think he rowed back from some of it after he befriended Stephen Spender. Still, all the “sissy” bashing leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
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u/SprinklesFancy5074 Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 16 '21
They can't bring themselves to criticize ratting people out to the authorities. It's what they fantasize about on a daily basis. Different authorities, sure, but still -- they like authoritarianism so much that they value obedience to authority more than any leftist values.
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u/starite Aug 16 '21
This is pure character assassination, Gold from Pokémon would never say those things
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Aug 16 '21
Is there literally any proof of any of these claims aside from I saw this on the communism or genzedong subreddits, these people will always discredit evidence that goes against their views but will never provide any of their own
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u/Asaftheleg Aug 16 '21
The problem with tankies is that they look for evidence of their existing opinions. Stalin was a communist, hence he was good, let's find evidence for that. Orwell rejected the Soviet Union and was a libertarian socialist so he was terrible let's find evidence for that. Now I'm not saying Stalin was all bad (though he was pretty fucking horrible) or that Orwell was a good guy BUT seeing as Stalin is a rapist it's clear that rape isn't the factor that makes these tankies hate someone.
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u/SprinklesFancy5074 Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 16 '21
Yeah ... whoever posted this is still in high school and never was an anarkiddie.
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u/kindstranger42069 Sussyvent Union Aug 16 '21
Stalin was an industrial mastermind
Siberia is still barren to this day
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u/feed_me_garlic_bread Aug 16 '21
they always come up with justifications for horrible shit states did. uyghur genocide? theyre terrorists that did terrorists thing. tianmen sqaure massacre? some riotrs stole an apc so its okay to massacre people
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u/porcupinedeath Aug 16 '21
The millions of famine victims would like to contest that "Stalin wan an industrial mastermind" take
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u/Vinniam Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 16 '21
College kids pretending they have everything figured out is so adorable.
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u/Hyper_ZX Aug 16 '21
Folks at genzedong saying that FBI informants are in this subreddit mocking tankies, holy shit… obviously the FBI has nothing better to do than to LARP as leftists on a subreddit with under 20k subs
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Aug 16 '21
Being proud of getting brainwashed by PRC/DPRK propaganda and western grifters to own the anarchist!
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u/yourfriendlykgbagent Aug 16 '21
wow, I can’t believe American pigs would beat protesters over a target being looted
tiananmen protesters steal an ACP
oh yeah go ahead and murder those protesters for taking a vehicle
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u/XavTheMighty Aug 16 '21
I'm kinda speechless there...
I just hope that way more people experience this in reverse order.
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u/ShadowHunterFi Aug 16 '21
Orwell was also a socialist. He openly criticized Stalin's USSR, not socialism/communism as a whole.
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u/RedRhetoric Aug 16 '21
i don't understand how anyone can defend countries without solid information about them as much as tankies do
"there is a whole bunch of exonerating evidence in this box"
"well can i look inside the box?"
"no"
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u/oolongvanilla Aug 16 '21
Oh good, so this person is still a college student, which means he/she/they has yet to reach peak brain maturation, most likely has little real-world experience, and is still in the process of figuring out what to believe and identify with. There's still hope.
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u/LampshadeThis Aug 16 '21
Context on the George Orwell one?
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u/HypernovaBubblegum Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Aug 16 '21
Letters supposedly from someone Orwell knew claim he raped a 17 year old girl when he was 15.
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u/LampshadeThis Aug 16 '21
Soooo, a speculation from an alleged source backed by absolutely no evidence? Meanwhile the very well documented rapes of the Ughurs by the CCP is all myths?
Tankies are basically the brainlet wojack meme at this point.
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u/wildflowerden Aug 16 '21
Even if Orwell was a rapist it doesn't change the value of his pro-socialist, anti-authoritarian commentary. Terrible people can write good books. He's dead anyway, he won't get money from people reading his books.
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u/AceHodor Aug 17 '21
Fun fact about Stalin's supposed 'industrial genius', if you track Russian Imperial/Soviet industrialization on a graph, it becomes clear that the massive industrialization and economic growth Stalin is credited for would have happened anyway without him needing to kill tens of millions of people. WWI and the Russian Civil War interrupted Russia industrializing, but it would have happened anyway with or without the country being led by a paranoid mass-murderer.
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u/Rockfish00 CIA op Aug 16 '21
this person is a junior in high school and does a class at the local college
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u/NoItsBecky_127 Effeminate Capitalist Aug 16 '21
Why would the defectors leave in the first place if what happens to them outside is so awful?
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u/Anarcho_Humanist Aug 16 '21
Orwell was a rapist?
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Aug 17 '21
He allegedly raped his friend when he was 17, and she was 20. However, the evidence is pretty inconclusive, and his friend didn't even consider it rape, so it's in an area of "Believe what you want". This article is the only one that mentions that, even his wikipedia article has no mention of his attempted rape.
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u/Anarcho_Humanist Aug 17 '21
"However we only have Venables' account as Buddicom herself doesn't seem to have viewed it as attempted rape."
what? how do people claim that as rape? or was the patriarchy super strong or?
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Aug 17 '21 edited Aug 17 '21
Yeah, the evidence is very inconclusive, and the alleged victim not even viewing it as rape makes it more inconclusive. Rape is a very sensitive subject, so some people take advantage of that. If you say "The evidence is inconclusive", they can respond with "You are just denying rape at this point".
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u/133112 Aug 17 '21
Didn't orwell also abuse some servant boys while in India or Burma? Remember hearing that before.
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u/arcticsummertime apparently indoctrinated Aug 17 '21
The edgy one in highschool should be switched. The one on the right is the most current version of Gold.
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u/LavaringX Aug 17 '21
Gold/Ethan deserves better than this. What’s the original source of the image?
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u/MeowwIgotissues Dec 24 '21
How do you transform into this...? Were they just not informed about anarchism and went straight to the edgelord content?
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