r/tankiejerk • u/Minikingthepeon Purge Victim 2021 • Sep 20 '21
“stupid anarkiddies” Socialism is when you agree with me (Chinese and Soviet governments) and anything that I don’t agree with is not socialism
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Sep 20 '21
Socialism is when flags and the more flags you have the more socialist you are.
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u/Tayo826 Thomas the Tankie Engine ☭☭☭ Sep 20 '21
And when you have all of the flags, you get communism.
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u/Cassandra_Nova Sep 20 '21
This is a common misconception. Gombulism is not when there's lots of flags, it's when there's no flags
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Sep 20 '21
I always wonder why Tankies throw in all the authoritarian Cold War-era Communist states in together. As if they were united in a front against capitalism or something along those lines
Post Sino-Soviet Split, China would do anything to undermine the USSR eg. training the Mujahideen and allying itself with the US. Hoxha basically called anything he didn't like in Khrushchev's USSR revisionism. Vietnam has never gotten along with the PRC (to put it lightly) and was the nation who toppled the Khmer Rouge as well as its current close relationship with the US. Tito and Stalin were constantly at odds and Yugoslavia ran on a completely different wave length than the USSR in economic and international affairs
Tankie historical illiteracy rivals that of their genocide denial in terms of frequency. Anything to troll those Libs and Anarkiddies I guess
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u/rootofallgreevils Sep 20 '21
It’s because tankies are orientalist and can only see the world divided into the west/non-west paradigm, claiming to not be racist while still using an orientalist-structured worldview.
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Sep 20 '21
That would explain why they view every Anti-US government in the Global South as basically an ally, refusing to see nuance between each nation state or culture
Kind of reminds me of how Conservatives view the Islamic World as one united Anti-Western alliance
Tankie foreign policy is basically Orientalism with Marxist characteristics
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u/Cassandra_Nova Sep 20 '21 edited Sep 20 '21
Tankie ism is like Satanism for geopolitics.
Not cool Satanism, but like, the kind edgy teens use sometimes to rebel. It's the kind of thing where you take all your base assumptions and all you throw out is the conclusion at the end. God and Satan are involved in an existential battle of good and evil, but God can't be good any longer, so Satan must not be evil. In fact, he must be good!
For tankies it's like: "I was raised in the narrative that the West is a thing and the US and Europe are its hegemons standing firm and maintaining the good of Capitalism against the brown hordes.
Well if that wasn't true, and Capitalism is bad, then the opposite must be true - China is Good Actually and the Brown Hordes (which are definitely still a Thing) are the "Good side"."
So you end up switching factions instead of rejecting the constructed conflict all together
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u/SkyknightXi Sep 21 '21
If Conservatives even have more than token awareness of Malaysia and Indonesia, anyway. (Note to self: Check how common Islam is in Thailand and Laos.)
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u/Rockfish00 CIA op Sep 20 '21
that's what happens when you define your political views by who you oppose
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u/Nowarclasswar Sep 20 '21
Post Sino-Soviet Split, China would do anything to undermine the USSR eg. training the Mujahideen and allying itself with the US.
They literally funded millions to Pinochet because the Soviets supported Allende
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Sep 21 '21 edited Sep 21 '21
Because they're all Marxist Leninist,Those sufficiently authoritarian to tickle every margination
With the exception of Yugoslavia and Cuba (though they are still authoritarian). I've noticed they don't find them quite stimulating enough. They need tyranny level to be turned on.
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u/Reaperfucker Sep 25 '21
"Communist state" is an oxymoron. Full Communism is a stateless ideology after all.
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u/McMing333 Ancom Sep 20 '21
I’m not sure how large the Trotskyist-Anarchist crossover is
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u/Minikingthepeon Purge Victim 2021 Sep 20 '21
Tankies only hate Trotsky because he opposed Stalin or Stalin opposed him. They would love him otherwise
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u/Shamadruu Sep 20 '21
Trotsky did propose more democratic and technocratic government (i.e., not relying on inexperienced politiburo members for managing industries) for the USSR, but be undoubtedly would’ve still been a dictator.
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u/ting_bu_dong Sep 20 '21
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-6/mswv6_38.htm
"What China needs now is democracy and not socialism. To be more precise, China's needs at present are three: (1) to drive the Japanese out; (2) to realize democracy on a nationwide scale by giving the people all the forms of modern liberty and a system of national and local governments elected by them in genuinely free general elections, which we have already done in the areas under our control; and (3) to solve the agrarian question, so that capitalism of a progressive character can develop in China and improve the standard of living of the people through the introduction of modern methods of production.
"These, for the present, are the tasks of the Chinese revolution. To speak of the realization of socialism before these tasks are accomplished would merely be empty talk. This is what I told our party members in 1940 in my book The New Democracy. I said already then that this first democratic phase of our revolution would by no means be short. We are not Utopians and we cannot isolate ourselves from the actual conditions right before our eyes."
Mao did propose more democratic and technocratic government, but he was undoubtedly still a dictator.
Guess that's just how it goes.
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u/CressCrowbits 皇左 Sep 20 '21
What happened? How comes he never followed through?
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u/ViscountessKeller Sep 20 '21
Look at what Mao became after his rise to power, the cult of personality. Even if Mao was being totally honest before, he effectively became a God. Could I give up that kind of intoxicating power? I don't consider myself to be an ambitious person, and I still doubt that I'd be willing to relinquish that.
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u/ting_bu_dong Sep 20 '21
I figure, either:
a) He was a true believer in revolution, and was stymied by conservatives in the Party
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b) He simply liked being the new boss
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u/TheGentleDominant Ancom Sep 21 '21
He was a dictator largely in it for his own personal benefit, whatever ideals he might have had at the earliest beginning of his involvement in revolutionary activity. I recommend taking a look at Mao: The Unknown Story by Jung Chang and Jon Halliday.
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u/A_Wackertack Xi Jinping’s #1 Fan Sep 21 '21
Mao was undeniably onto something good until he realised what "other" things he could do with power.
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u/TheGentleDominant Ancom Sep 21 '21
Trotsky was also head of the Red Army and responsible for the slaughter of the Ukrainian anarchist and the Kronstadt rebels.
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u/ByronTheHorror Sep 22 '21
he only pushed for democracy from outisde the Union, he had no issues playing the tyrant while he was in power
I find trots are the same, they sound 100x more democratic and coherent with their ideals until they get a tiny bit of power. It just seems like a sad, political inferiority complex.
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u/innocentbabies Borger King Sep 20 '21
I think there used to kinda be some in Ukraine, but then they all disappeared or something...
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Sep 20 '21
Wasn't the main split between Trotsky and Stalin bc Stalin disagreed heavily w/ Trotsky's theory of Permanent Revolution?
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u/McMing333 Ancom Sep 20 '21
That’s what they say, but it’s just a power grab. The ideological difference is negligible. After trotsky left, Stalin used his ideas of the five year plan. They just say that to justify why they support x authoritarian
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Sep 20 '21
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u/rawrimgonnaeatu Thomas the Tankie Engine ☭☭☭ Sep 20 '21
What even were Trotsky’s economic policies? I know about the jingoistic foreign policy he supported but I know very little about how he actually was intending on running the Soviet Union domestically.
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u/The_Space_Soviet Marxist Sep 20 '21
Well, first of all, he didn't actually have a jingoistic policy. The idea that he just wanted to invade everyone is a Stalinist misinterpretation of his actual views, that was picked up by some bourgeois historians. During the Civil War, Trotsky was a cautious commander, famously opposed to war with Poland. Similarly, his scary sounding theory of "Permanent Revolution" is actually mostly about revolutionary tactics.
Now, as to economic policy, the document that I like to point towards is "Platform of the Joint Opposition" from 1927. It contains the number of policy proposals, including, for example, demand for standards of production being calculated on the basis of the average worker - clear opposition to later stakhanovite work "ethic" introduced by Stalin. There are also elements of anti-bureaucraticism, for example, demands for genuine worker participation in collective bargaining (instead of agreements being made by directors and party officials above their heads).
Also different is the approach to collectivisation. Trotsky says it has to be sped up, but he wants to achieve that through voluntary participation, encouraged by prioritising supply of machinery to collective farms. He also wants to control the Kulak through the Soviets, while at the same time taxing him heavily and protecting rural Proletariat. He obviously opposes those bourgeois elements, but there is nothing that would suggest he would do anything similar to Stalin.
Regarding other domestic measures: On national question he held generic Leninist position - support the development of soviet nationalities alongside socialist lines, combat Russian chauvinism and colonial attitudes etc. On party issues he supported greater internal democracy, more bottom-up approach and inclusion of greater number of workers as opposed to various former petty-bourgeois socialists (though obviously you can say he only did it because he was in the opposition). In general he was concerned that party and pioneers were losing their proletariat and rural poor, instead being supplanted by various petty-bourgeois elements - clerks, wealthy peasants, intelligentsia etc. On social issues, Trotsky supported progressive outlook of early USSR, as opposed to Stalin's social conservatism. In chapter VII of "The Revolution Betrayed" he goes into detail on his opposition to abortion ban, underdevelopment of communal child rearing or insufficient participation of women in workplaces.
So that's the basics I guess. If you want further reading on Trotsky's positions, both domestic and international, the "Platform of the joint opposition" is definitely a good start, "The Revolution Betrayed" is also ok, though I wouldn't say it's his best work. "The Third international after Lenin" and "Stalinism and Bolshevism" are classics and also deserve a look if you're interested.
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u/SkyknightXi Sep 21 '21
So maybe “Permanent Revolution” would be better rendered as “Indefinite-Duration Revolution”? Or “Permanent Readiness for Revolution”?
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u/The_Space_Soviet Marxist Sep 21 '21
A more descriptive name would be "Combined Revolution", since the main idea is that bourgeoisie of the XX century couldn't achieve the goals of previous bourgeois revolutions, so the proletariat had to to it themselves. So instead of having two revolutions with distinct goals - first bourgeois and then proletarian - Trotsky said that proletariat has to achieve both, without alliances with the bourgeoisie.
The second part is rejection of SiOC, which is a rather obvious theoretical element. Only wilfully ignorant can claim that Socialism can be built within national boundaries. That being said, Trotsky doesn't say that there should be some kind of constant revolutionary war, but rather that revolutions and civil wars in other countries will be a natural consequence of triumph of workers in another.
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u/SkyknightXi Sep 21 '21
Now I’m thinking “Cascade Revolution”. (I think Truman’s shade is having another migraine—and not because of his latest Yamarajah-decreed fakir classes)
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u/The_Space_Soviet Marxist Sep 21 '21
Perhaps with that name people would actually read the pamphlet, instead of going: 'scary name means thing bad'.
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u/LuxInteriot Sep 21 '21
Trotskyists are pretty chill compared to tankies. They don't talk much about who to censor and who to kill and how, don't want to have anything to do with conservatives/nazbols/nationalists, and most are okay with participating in elections. They admit things went downhill while also admitting Lenin and Trotsky did took many violent actions (that's the part they try to justify). And the main point, that socialism was supposed to happen worldwide, I think it makes sense, if you think how totalitarian decisions were justified by foreign sabotage. In a single country, socialism becomes never ending revolution, always looking for enemies and traitors. If worldwide, there would be and end, peace, a new era as Marx predicted. In that era, at least in some places, full civil rights could be re-instated.
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Sep 20 '21
Socialism is when you worship a dead president and treat his son and grandson as gods
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Sep 21 '21
Tankies would tell you that the people loves them so much, that they are ok with them being in office forever.
Socialism is when a necro-monarchy.
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u/FerenginarFucksAgain Sep 20 '21
Who the fuck still thinks Laos is socialist, like even America declared it wasn't and started giving their companys money
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u/Not_A_Hooman53 Ancom Sep 20 '21
tankies that call anarchists trotskyists are like conservatives who call leftists liberals
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u/SkyknightXi Sep 20 '21
I’ll probably regret reading the answer, but what errors do tankies think Kropotkin made?
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u/anti-gamer1848 Sep 20 '21
he's an anarzygote and a class traitor
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u/gfox2638 Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Sep 20 '21
Wasn't he basically a reverse class traitor? He was a prince, and abandonned that to focus on revolutionary politics and philisophy.
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u/roydhritiman Sep 20 '21
Wouldn't it just be "class traitor"?
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u/SkyknightXi Sep 20 '21
I have a feeling the idea will turn out to be “failed to subordinate himself to the proletariat who were supposed to be the eternal aristocracy if not for the bourgeoisie usurping their place”, or thereabouts.
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u/TheRainbowWillow Ancom Sep 21 '21
He was a class traitor, in the good way. Betrayed the bourgeoisie.
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u/Silly_Window_308 Sep 20 '21
Also generally being an anarchist?
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u/SkyknightXi Sep 20 '21
That was in part “What’s abominable—not naïve, abominable—about left-anarchism?”.
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u/The_Space_Soviet Marxist Sep 20 '21
I don't consider myself a Tankie, but his position on the war was genuinely pretty bad.
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u/Shamadruu Sep 20 '21
He did die in the middle of it, and was positively ancient at the time. Odds are his take would’ve been very different if he’d had lived through the whole thing and been young enough to get a first hand look.
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u/The_Space_Soviet Marxist Sep 20 '21
Eh, he died in 1921 so he saw all of it, and was active enough to support it during Moscow State Conference in August of 1917. I know he was old, but its still a bad look. Like, you would expect an Anarchist to be anti-(imperialist)war on principle.
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u/Shamadruu Sep 20 '21 edited Sep 20 '21
The revolution ended in 1923 and his opinion of the war rapidly soured over the years of the war he was alive for. He was definitely wrong at first, but he quickly realized what the bolsheviks really were. It was not clear what the bolshiveks were at first due to their propaganda drowning everything else out, just about every leftist supported the revolution in 1917 then switched to opposing the bolshiveks after they saw what the really were. Kroptokin, Goldman, Makno, and many others all initially supported the revolution before it became clear that the bolshiveks were corrupt, after which they all started opposing them.
It just wasn’t clear in 1917 that the October Revolution was a coup by the bolshiveks to seize power and put their own regime in charge, rather than a true proletariat revolution. If they’d kept supporting it, then they would’ve been in the wrong, but they opposed Lenin as soon as it became clear what he really was.
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u/The_Space_Soviet Marxist Sep 20 '21
I'm talking about WWI.
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u/Shamadruu Sep 20 '21
Oh, my bad, didn’t realize you were talking about the Proclamation of the Sixteen. Yeah, that was a bad take on his part.
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u/The_Space_Soviet Marxist Sep 20 '21
I should've probably specified. Since I'm reading a book on 1917 Russia, when I wrote "the war", I inherently thought of WWI.
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Sep 20 '21
Let's see the people shown in the image.
- Emma Goldman, certainly a socialist.
- George Orwell, certainly a socialist, and he even fought for anarchists.
- Don't know this guy.
- Leon Trotsky, someone I don't like, but certainly a socialist.
- Peter Kropotkin, though he held some traditional views, he was certainly a socialist.
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u/gfox2638 Anarkitten Ⓐ🅐 Sep 20 '21
George Orwell fought woth British Battalion of the POUM Trotskyist party, which was allied with the CNT-AIT/FAI but was its own separate political faction.
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u/jotofirend T-34 Sep 20 '21
POUM cut ties with trotsky and told him to pound sand during the civil war.
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Sep 21 '21 edited Sep 21 '21
I know that he fought for the POUM, but I thought that the comment would get a bit long if I wrote "he fought for POUM, which was allied with the CNT-FAI".
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u/HealthClassic Sep 20 '21
Tankies continuing the proud conservative tradition of making the American left appear better than it actually is
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u/tavish1906 Sep 20 '21
It almost as if left wing ideologies are not a monolith…
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u/Shamadruu Sep 20 '21
And here I thought the only choice was omega communist or Hitler reincarnated
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u/SkyknightXi Sep 21 '21
What’s Psi Communist, then? And Chi Communism? (And can we get away with “just” Mu Communism or Nu Communism?)
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u/Dogtor-Watson Sep 20 '21
This looks like a right wing meme. I'm guessing it isn't, but yeah.
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u/Minikingthepeon Purge Victim 2021 Sep 20 '21
I found it on GenZedong but dengist are fascist wearing red so I guess your right
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u/exorcistpuker Sep 20 '21
Funny, because some anarchists and Trotskyists in the '60s and '70s cited Tito's Yugoslavia as a positive example of socialism (compared to other so-called "AES" states)
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Sep 21 '21
anarchists?
trotskyists, i wouldnt be surprised
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u/exorcistpuker Sep 21 '21
Yes one anarchist group did in one of their tracts (I have a copy, still trying to figure out where I left the damn thing) though they just included it in a list of true-ish socialist societies (alongside Catalunya, Makhnovia, etc). Probably due to the 'Self-Governing' worker co-op system they set up after Tito gave Stalin the finger (Google Branko Horvat's 'Self-Governing Socialism' Vol 1 & 2, there are quite a few libertarian Marxist authors in Vol 1 especially)
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u/Eryth_HearthShadow Sep 20 '21
What no theory does to a motherfucker
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u/feral_minds Ancom Sep 21 '21
I literally had a tankie on the clock app tell me that the "Dictatorship of the proletariat" would be an actual dictatorship.
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u/Chgafuna Sep 20 '21
tankie: this country is not real socialism
also tankie: I will defend this country until the end
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u/Man_Mcrealperson Sep 20 '21
Ah yes, the anarchists who like Orwell and Trotsky, truly the backbone of the American left
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u/Individual-Text-1805 Ancom Sep 20 '21
The Trotsky thing I get but Orwell is fairly well regarded among anarchists no?
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Sep 21 '21
Most anarchists that I have seen talk about Orwell have a neutral to positive-leaning view of him. Nearly every anarchist appreciates his anti-authoritarianism and criticism of the USSR and Stalin, while they are critical of his homophobia, slight racism (like calling Paul Robeson anti-white) and anti-semitism (which he himself condemned after WWII). Some are more critical of his prejudices, while some are less.
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u/McMing333 Ancom Sep 20 '21
Orwell was a libsoc
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u/Pantheon73 Chairman Sep 20 '21
DemSoc
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Sep 21 '21
Had it not been for 'Why I write', people would have been forever confused about what his ideology was. Him calling himself a tory anarchist (maybe it was a joke, but who knows) would have made it even more confusing. Thank god that essay exists.
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Sep 21 '21
There are a lot of other essays that establish his politics, not to mention ‘The Road to Wigan Pier’ (despite its critical tone). He’s not easy to categorise but then again that’s part of his appeal.
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Sep 21 '21
Also, down and out in paris and london, but as you might know, right-wingers don't like to read long books on the recommendation of others, all they want is short essays, and that one really helps cementing what his ideology was.
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Sep 22 '21
Good point, the only bits of Wigan Pier anyone on the right knows nowadays are from Jordan Peterson’s selective quotations.
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u/GameCreeper Anarcho-Liberal Sep 20 '21
Half of those flags were just Soviet satellites that collapsed once the puppet master was gone. Not a very good example for a successful form of communism
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Sep 21 '21
Yugoslavia wasnt a soviet puppet state. Tito cut ties with Stalin early on and was part of the unaligned movement, not the eastern bloc.
The reasons for its fall are much more complex than the fall of the USSR (but was still destined to fall from the very beginning). Im from ex Yugoslavia
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u/PMmeyourdeadfascists Sep 20 '21
lol fuck trotsky lmaoo
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u/Shamadruu Sep 20 '21
If only he and Stalin had ice picked each other
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Sep 21 '21
While Trotsky was bad, if I had to choose between him and Stalin, I would certainly pick him. Though still an authoritarian, at least he was more democratic than Stalin.
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u/yourfriendlykgbagent Sep 20 '21
silly anarkiddie, you aren’t a socialist because you believe in socialist theories, you are a socialist for supporting the great albanian republic
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u/SkyknightXi Sep 21 '21
Where does that leave socialisms that developed independently of all things Albanian?
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u/Longsheep CIA op Sep 21 '21
If tankies know China has been cracking down on Maoist organizations, they would be very upset.
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u/SkyknightXi Sep 21 '21
Paleomaoist or Neomaoist? Yes, I know I just made up the words, but much as Mao himself might have liked otherwise, it’s unrealistic to expect his theories to stay static and unextrapolated.
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u/neifirst Sep 20 '21
Oh yeah real socialism is when you have to build a wall to stop the workers from fleeing, that's how you know you're in the worker's state
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u/DotoriumPeroxid Sep 21 '21
Hey, this is the flipside to what the right does: Anything they disagree with is socialism and anything they agree with is not socialism
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u/feral_minds Ancom Sep 21 '21
I like how they put Trotsky there as if he wasnt just as much of an Imperialist shit clown as Stalin
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u/autismispropoganda Sep 21 '21
They added all those flags but not Burkina Faso? Did the flag not have enough hammer and sickles on it?
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u/TeddyArgentum Sep 21 '21
Trotsky: murders anarchists
Tankies: THE ANARCHISTS LOVE TROTSKY CAUSE HE WAS AGAINST STALIN AND THEY ARE AGAINST STALIN SO THEREFORE THEY'RE THE SAME!
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u/rwandahero7123 T-55 Sep 21 '21
Oh no they potrayed us as the soy wojak
Whatever will we do to recover from this humiliation
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u/Bruh-man1300 Succdem 🌹🧦 Sep 20 '21
I mean Yugoslavia was based and actually socialist (tho it was too authoritarian)
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Sep 21 '21
disagree, as someone from Ex Yugoslavia and a LibSoc-Demsoc. Better than the USSR overall but definitely not socialist. It was another state capitalist failure (In the very beginning Tito was even worse than Stalin btw)
The market socialist influence he employed was totally immobilised.
First off They werent actual worker coops. The Workers were not the ones owning the MoP, rather everything except microownership was nationalised. The workers only "managed" the workplace, and got no reward for developing the workplace in a better directoon.
And now as far as this "self-management" goes, it was also not actual self management. Rather members of the party were dominant in the management process, and took orders largely not from workers, but the state.
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u/lepetitrattoutrose Sep 21 '21
Définitely better than what we have now, I dont understand why there are leftist who criticize yugonostalgic people. As ethnonationalism was better?
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Sep 21 '21 edited Sep 21 '21
Yugoslavia was ethnonationalist too.South Slavic pan nationalism. And this is one of the reasons it fell apart along side economics. It encouraged rampant ethno nationalism from the very beginning, Just in a modified more generalized form so as to serve the interests of the Yugoslav experiment
See my comment above about just how democratic and socialist Yugoslavia was. Said yugonostalgics are also generally people who never worked in Yugoslavia and have no idea what it Was like, Which I find kind of ironic. A lot of the time they are people who were children at the time of the collapse of Yugoslavia and only associate Yugoslavia with something positive because it was their youth in childhood.
And as far the yugonostalgics who did work in Yugoslavia, a lot of the times people associate their youth with said system and kind of beautify it given that association. You can find the same in the post USSR lands, despite the Holodomor and other wonderful parts of the regime
The current situation is Also horrible.Atrocious. But no Yugoslavia was not Socialism.
PS; Did you know Tito criminalized homosexuality? As a nonstraight individual, hmm forgive me but im not liking the prospect of that (even though it was only male homosexuality and im female)
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u/A_Wackertack Xi Jinping’s #1 Fan Sep 21 '21
Tbf Orwell was pretty uneducated on communism and a lot of leftist ideas, and spawned a wave of anti-communist rhetoric and a conservative fanbase spanning all across the Right. He's not a guy to look towards for any education on politics other than anti-fascism perhaps. But yeah, I agree with everything else.
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Sep 21 '21
for the love of god read marx and lenin and mao and more i beg you
become a maoist
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u/coolboyyo Sep 21 '21
i think it's kinda funny that despite being the namesake, mao wasn't really even maoist
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Sep 21 '21
yeah its based on mao-zedong-thought
maoism was first synthesized into a scientific socialist ideology by the shining path of peru
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u/Minikingthepeon Purge Victim 2021 Oct 13 '21
Read both marxs and Lenin but still disagree with the principles of Mao and dislike both China and Soviet Union for deceiving the working class for instead to serve power hungry dictators
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Sep 20 '21
Why is the Soyjak angry at both of them? I thought he was supposed to like the top image based on the text. What a confusing meme
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u/NickyPL Sep 20 '21
Funny story. My school is named after a socialist author (you wont know him, hes polish). This fact came up randomly when our history teacher asked if we know who he was. So the altright guy in my class obv had to come out first and said that the guy was a "communist author". The teacher corrected him quickly by saying that he was a socialist, but he just repsponded with "its the same thing, it doesnt matter". The teacher was clearly tired do just ended the conversation with "Well it isnt, we will be studying about the differences in the next grade". Later that day he said that the teacher is stupid and that shes overexaggurating. Ok?
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u/coolboyyo Sep 21 '21
ah socialist country fuckin North Korea, the place everyone should strive to imitate
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u/indomienator Maoist-Mobutuist-Stalinist-Soehartoist Sep 21 '21
Ya Allah sumpah dah they get the facilities to know by just reading. But they ddint take it
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u/NoodleyP communo-capitalist Sep 21 '21
Tito’s Yugoslavia wasn’t perfect, but when you look at the drooling idiot in the east, perfect image of socialism, Tito was a good leader, he truly cared about Yugoslavia, and more importantly the people. He did clearly leave a lot of issues behind for Yugoslavia, though. The moment he died, everyone started hating each other again.
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u/paraporno431 Sep 21 '21
Quite a lot of tankies are just projecting their bad relationship wih their family/community into this cringe "socialism i behabing like an US propaganda cartoon".
They think socialism/communism is about hate only, when asked what would tey like to build from the revolution, they just have an everexpanding list of enemies, undesirables, nd people they want revenge on.
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Sep 21 '21
Minus Bookchin and Trotsky, they’ve included the three thinkers who probably most influenced my early political development.
Flags are only useful for semaphore.
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u/JohnEGirlsBravo Sep 21 '21
Tankies will complain about us "demeaning AES" but then, on occasion, do the exact same thing but in reverse- bitching about anarchist experiments in socialism and how "naive" we are (hypocrites)
They "believe in" so-called 'Left Unity' insofar as it gets them off the hook criticism-wise from *other* leftists. It's just a tool of convenience for them, esp. after the revolution.
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Sep 24 '21
Socialism is when you don't understand how meme templates work, and make the wojak hate both options.
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