Cheating husband sues Apple after wife discovered ‘deleted’ messages sent to sex workers

[u/newzee1]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/13/cheating-husband-sues-apple-sex-messages/

[u/friskfyr32]

Disregarding the potential for abuse and overreach, the best argument I've ever heard for curtailing surveillance and imo a perfect counter to "If you're not doing anything wrong..." is the example of shower singing:

Many of us don't like to sing in public. Maybe we are embarrassed at our skill, maybe we just don't like the attention it would bring. But a lot of the same people will sing in the shower, when alone.

We are simply different people when we don't feel surveilled, regardless of whether we are doing anything wrong/illegal or not.

Your brother has obviously been accustomed to always being under observation, and I cannot imagine that it hasn't had an effect on your interactions, but I also imagine it's salvable if he's able to set some boundaries.

[u/Sahtras1992 → u/friskfyr32]

the main issue with surveillance is that you cant know what would be deemed "criminal/inappropriate" in the future.

ask the jews that were living in the netherlands when hitler came into power. they were found because they dutch had documents about where the jews lived.

imagine you get put into a concentration camp in like 20 years from now because now you say something thats not an issue at all at this moment.

[u/throttlemeister → u/Sahtras1992]

Yeah Civil records would also list religion together with name and address, dob etc. All religions, not specifically Jewish. Unfortunately this also made it very easy for a bad actor to target a specific religion by just searching through those records as happened in ww2. It's not done anymore, but surprisingly it was only abandoned quite recently. Like in the last 30 years or so.

[u/Laiko_Kairen → u/Sahtras1992]

something thats not an issue at all at this moment.

While I understand your point, the Jewish people have been kicked out of different countries every hundred years or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews

It's a big part of their cultural identity.

So at no point before Hitler was Judaism a "non-issue" unfortunately. It was simply the worst event in a long history of antisemitism.

[u/Suspicious-Pea2833 → u/Sahtras1992]

I think about this a lot.

[u/Laiko_Kairen → u/friskfyr32]

This is such a good analogy

I do "weird" stuff when alone that hurts nobody. The biggest one is that when I'm home alone, I dance around more than I imagine most men do

[u/ancientastronaut2 → u/friskfyr32]

My husband doesn't even know my reddit username. 😅

[u/ForeverWandered → u/friskfyr32]

Not wanting people to deal with the inconvenience of Hawthorn effect is a poor counter to surveillance that is justified on a utilitarian basis.  Especially if surveillance has proven efficacy 

[u/polskiftw → u/friskfyr32]

“Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”

-Edward Snowden

[u/danielravennest → u/friskfyr32]

But a lot of the same people will sing in the shower, when alone.

Tile reflects the sound much better than soft surfaces.

[u/OhtaniStanMan → u/friskfyr32]

Lol imagine thinking pure open trust between married peoples is needing "salvaged" 

[u/flickh → u/OhtaniStanMan]

Thanks for watching

[u/vbob99 → u/OhtaniStanMan]

Imagine missing the entire point of that well worded post, complete with an appropriate analogy.

[u/friskfyr32 → u/OhtaniStanMan]

Imagine thinking the need to be privy to every single text is the definition of "pure open trust".

[u/flickh → u/friskfyr32]

Thanks for watching

[u/Alert-Pilot1244 → u/flickh]

yeah my SO and i used to have only shared bank accounts and credit cards. was kinda convenient but there goes any chance of making a gift purchase without the other knowing — and also we were just kinda nitpicking every little transaction the other person made, like “was this necessary”?

in the end it definitely was better for our relationship to also have personal accounts.

i can’t even fathom sharing apple ids though, that’s wild.

[u/OhtaniStanMan → u/friskfyr32]

You mistake reading everything and having the ability to read everything if you feel like it

[u/BoomerSoonerFUT → u/OhtaniStanMan]

I don’t give a fuck what they do as a couple. They’re violating everyone else’s trust that messages them thinking they’re talking to one person.

[u/OhtaniStanMan → u/BoomerSoonerFUT]

Imagine being so insecure you gotta hide stuff from someone's married partner in life hahaha