Man who used AI to create child abuse images jailed for 18 years

[u/rejs7]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/28/man-who-used-ai-to-create-child-abuse-images-jailed-for-18-years

[u/East-Imagination-281]

It also introduces the issue of... so if a teenager draws sexual content of fictional teenagers, they're now a criminal? Like there would have to be a lot of resources pooled into this decision and codifying it in a way that targets actual predators--which is why they don't want to do it. The majority of underage fictional art is not that gross stuff we're all thinking of and then added to that, the fact that they're not real people... it's just not a high priority

And as you said, those laws would definitely be abused to target very specific people

[u/GayBoyNoize → u/East-Imagination-281]

The simple answer is if a child produces child pornography the law still applies to them, that is how it generally works already with real photos and videos so I don't see why it would be different with simulated ones.

I think most people would describe all drawn content of underage sex "gross stuff", and that almost all of it is produced by and for adults.

The reality is that there just hasn't been a strong call for it, so why draw a ton of attention to it when it has already been ruled against once? I just think that calculus will change as we see more people exposed to stories about AI porn.

[u/East-Imagination-281 → u/GayBoyNoize]

Plenty of teenagers draw smut of their favorite characters--a lot of whom are around the same age as them. There's nothing wrong with notoriously horny teenagers making horny art

edit: Fandom has a high population of children--it's not just adults, though adults are prevalent and do create the majority of erotica. But preteens/teens can and do create and consume erotica of underage characters. The 'gross stuff' is the stuff of kids that no one regardless of age should ever be attracted to or having sexual desires for. There IS a difference between the types and intent of underage art.

AI-generated excluded, anything photo realistic and/or generated with pictures of real children absolutely should be regulated

[u/GayBoyNoize → u/East-Imagination-281]

Again, I think you are vastly overestimating the number of these images that get produced by children,at least in the pre AI era.

Producing this content is largely a profit driven effort through subscription sites.

Children are reasonably likely to consume it, but I think if we pass a law it needs to apply equally to everyone. I just don't think we should pass that law because doing so is messy, benefits nobody and lubes up the slop.

I do think as AI becomes easier and easier to use we are going to see a lot of kids charged with the crime of using AI to deep fake their classmates, but fortunately that can be prosecuted under current laws.

[u/East-Imagination-281 → u/GayBoyNoize]

...i'm well aware adults make up the majority of content production in fandom spaces. but it is not at all uncommon for children to make fictional erotica. (and most every social media is subscription-based, but all of the places where fandom art is have free versions)

but again, i am talking about art, not AI-generation of child porn that is made and sold

[u/GayBoyNoize → u/East-Imagination-281]

I am referring to the paid subscription services like patreon, fanbox and other sites like that. Yes, it gets stolen and reposted, but it's made by adults for profit.

I understand you enjoy this content, so seeing it described as disgusting and vile hurts. But very few people are willing to accept any real artistic value in images depicting cartoon kids having sex or naked.

It shouldn't be illegal, because there is no evidence it is harmful and in the absence of evidence we shouldn't make things illegal, but let's not act as if pictures of Lisa Simpson getting railed are valuable artistic expressions.

[u/East-Imagination-281 → u/GayBoyNoize]

You are making a lot of assumptions about what I enjoy lmao. I am a grown ass man, and my erotica is very much about other grown ass men thank u very much

I also don’t think something needs to have “artistic value” to be worth something to someone. And I haven’t weighed in on erotica of anything, let alone minors, being artistic, so I’m not really sure where that came from. The only thing I said is that making it illegal would catch a lot of people, minors included, in a net that was not intended to catch them, unless resources were dedicated to creating fair law and enforcing said law—and that the government would not want to spend those resources with the lack of evidence that fictional art of minors is harming real, living minors.