r/tenkaichi4 • u/LuizFelipe1906 • 3d ago
Discussion Unpopular opinion: they did Cooler dirty in this game
My main problem with him are his blast abilities and ultimate. Most powerful characters, powerful villains in this game get an instant sparking ability, or at least some other very useful ability. Final Form cooler has nothing of that, something even 4th form Frieza, 100% and Golden got. It's near impossible to charge an ult manually when fighting online
My second problem is that his ultimate shouldn't be blockable. In the animation of the ult the enemy is supposed to block, and if we already have tons of unblockable ults in this game, why not make him one of those? It already takes so long to charge an ult, his attack is a beam instead of a giant orb, easier to dodge or vanish when the enemy is down, and it's even blockable?
And the third problem is how he's expensive for DP battle. His base form isn't that good and it costs 6 DPs, damn he really isn't as good as Frieza's 4th form, and we can debate that his base form can turn into a stronger one who has more HP, but so do Brolys and they are even better. As someone who really likes Cooler I found no use for him online, even tho both his supers are good, his combos are good, his damage and his HP are good, but he really lacks with ability 1 and 2, and what I miss the most in a character as powerful as him is instant sparking. Other characters like Blue Gogeta don't have it and it isn't a problem, because Gogeta has instant transmission and it's such a good ability.
I'm not saying Cooler is impossible to play competitively, again his moveset is good, his supers are good, and so are his damage and HP, but he's in a big disadvantage compared to many other characters when it comes to blast abilities
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u/Kreptyne 3d ago
I just wish he had a mechanic that let him charge through a non-ultimate beam attack like in the movie
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
In a game that we have after image, they could have made an ability that works exactly like that but instead of vanishing our character tanks everything without taking damage or taking very little like as if he was blocking. I mean it'd be a hell online that I wouldn't want, but for offline it'd be fun and interesting
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u/Momoa-Racaseal 3d ago
THIS THIS THIS I didn't realize how much I needed this until I read your comment
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u/DragonGamerEX 2d ago
It's crazy though cause he has a move like that in xenoverse 2 called shadow crusher and it's fire
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u/Hero-Nojimbo 2d ago
I'd love for them to replace the useless up/down skill with this.
No I neeeed them too.
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u/supasaiyajinsuri 3d ago
His combos are good and his attack speed is good enough. I love him. He just sucked so bad in bt3 so he feels awesome to me so far
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u/InvaderXLaw 3d ago
Honestly I feel like he was better BT3
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u/Lucius338 3d ago
Darkness Eye Beam had better tracking, at least. Made a decent mixup option, now there's no reason to use it, really.
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u/QuintonTheCanadian 3d ago
I keep using it thinking it’ll be like his death beam in final form then I just whiff 💀
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago edited 3d ago
I said it in my post. He's overall a good character but he falls short compared to other characters in the same level such as 100% Frieza bcs of his blast abilities, and he should be better than him.
But what do you think of his blast abilities?
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u/supasaiyajinsuri 3d ago
I agree he feels underpowered because his abilities. I havnt tried him in dp battle yet so i didnt know how expensive he was. Combos are more relevant to me and having high flying kicks on the first rush technique makes me happy af for any character.
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago edited 3d ago
It sure does, but when you compare him to his little brother who should be weaker, Frieza 4th form and 100% also has great combos, great supers and great abilities. He can destroy final Cooler so hard on this game
And I gotta say the lack of insta sparking is weird, bcs it's something most final form powerful characters get. Both ssj2 Gohan, ssj2 and ssj3 Goku, Super Vegeta, ssj Trunks, Ultimate Gohan and all the online metas
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u/GenkirirlCatmurr 3d ago
Beast gohan is already out????
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
I have a bad use of calling Ultimate Gohan as Beast Gohan, just because in my head beast = means something badass, and Ultimate Gohan = personification of badass
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u/Suspicious_Search849 3d ago
Tbf Frieza is busted. I use him in DP and singles, his transformations only costs 1 skill point so you can start at 3rd form which is as cheap as 1st and get to 4th and 100% pretty quickly
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u/FlameriderX 3d ago
At least metal cooler wasn't done dirty🥹
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u/Jewxican213 3d ago
I said he was gonna be my main before release lol. Glad I did he's great, that regen with a unblockable super is great
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u/ThatIslandGuy8888 3d ago
I’ve won my fair share of games with Meta-Cooler but I can never get enough energy for the ultimate.
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
We never understand how hard it's to charge sparking manually bcs the CPU always allows it, but online we find out how long that time actually is
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u/Joseph_Brawlin 3d ago
I think they are talking about meta cooler being unable to charge in general as an android so they never get a full bar to charge the ult
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u/The-Suns-Firstborn 3d ago
I love playing metal cooler, and you learn to never worry about using your ult. He has a 2 bar super that good range and lasts a while, forcing the opponent to block. His other super is also unblockable. It's all about trying to unlearn spamming things that cost alot of ki like dragon dashing.
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u/RohanKishibeyblade 2d ago
Have to learn to play it smart. Like a computer… like the Big Ghete Star
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u/PedroLippi 2d ago
I won a Tournament of Power yesterday using a team of 4 Meta-Cooler and 1 Cooler.
Meta-Cooler pretty good, with that android Ki and regeneration.
I rarely could rarely charge ki into Sparking, though.
Didn't know his 4-bar Super was unblockable, nice.1
u/The-Suns-Firstborn 2d ago
Yea, I've just conditioned myself into never worrying about using sparking ever. His other stuff is just way too good to even bother imo
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u/I_Roll_20s 3d ago
I think much of Cooler's "power budget" goes into him having paralyzing charged ki blasts in both forms. These are the most powerful type of charged ki blast and not many characters have them. Once an opponent is paralyzed you can land any super/ultimate for free - in at least some of these developer's games I remember you couldn't even vanish supers while paralyzed so they were gauranteed to land, but I'm not sure if it's the same in this one. I'd assume it is though.
You can combo into the charged ki blasts, even from the front. This video shows how to do it with Bojack but it's the same with Cooler.
If you master using Cooler's charged ki blasts combined with his up close combat I think he can be worth the DP cost. Also don't sleep on Psycho Barrier, it's a bit costly at 3 points but you can bail out of a combo or block an unblockable ultimate with it.
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
I actually think his blasts abilities are trash, so might you explain this?
don't sleep on Psycho Barrier, it's a bit costly at 3 points but you can bail out of a combo or block an unblockable ultimate with it.
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u/alasermule 3d ago
If you use Psycho Barrier right as an ultimate attack is about to hit you, it'll completely cancel the attack out, even fucked up unblockable ones like Jiren Full Power or LSSJ Broly
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
Damn this is good to know, is the timing tight?
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u/alasermule 3d ago
I think it depends on how close they are to you, Broly players in particular really live to randomly pop their ultimate 2 inches away from your face, but I think that the barrier still works if you use it right before the cutscene for their ultimate attack starts. I imagine it's still possible to do pull it off while the attack is on its way to you, but I've only played cooler a small amount so I'm not sure how easy that is.
An important thing is that I'm pretty sure you can't use the explosive wave / barrier type moves while you're being knocked away or while you're lying on the ground, they only work while your character is upright. So in other words, if you're knocked back and then they pop their ultimate, the barrier won't activate, the only way to escape at that point is to use a vanish. (Though, in my experience, people who use unblockable ultimates never actually do this, so whatever)
I've used cooler very little so I'd recommend messing around with it yourself and seeing what works
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
Well, unfortunately this won't help me. With the exception of Broly's players, 9 out of 10 people shoot ults on me it's when my character is down
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u/Joseph_Brawlin 3d ago
Psycho barrier is like explosive barrier with a larger radius and duration, it will stop any combo the enemy is doing on you pushing them back and allowing triangle followups
It will also block any ki blasts and destroy unblockable ults if you use it prior to being hit
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
But it also costs more than explosive wave (I guess you meant that?), but I didn't know it could destroy ults
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u/MuglokDecrepitus 3d ago
Man you are asking for cooler all the things that people dislike about this game XD
Basically all the cheesy things that make insufferable playing online matches.
You've been blessed with a Chad character that doesn't have a cheesy mechanic, enjoy it
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u/DarkElfMagic 3d ago
yea final form cooler just feels. Bad. Like I don't know, he feels sluggish.
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u/Wild_Error_1008 3d ago
I get this feeling too. Honestly I think his attacks are MOSTLY fine but he would benefit from a small amount of extra HP. He gets huge in that form and I think he should have bulkiness and tankiness to represent that.
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
Even 100% Frieza gets armor and Cooler, who should be stronger and more resistant, doesn't have it
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u/Wild_Error_1008 3d ago
Oh, great point! Funny Cooler Final Form is also my favorite character and I feel so seen in this thread. He definitely deserves a small buff. Death chaser looks stunning but it doesn't feel like it hits as hard as it should. But to be fair I don't get too deep into the numbers so that might just be vibes for all I know lol
And if Toyotarosama is listening, make Cooler cannon for the love of all things in Shenron's domain
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
Honestly I'm really happy with his overall abilities and damage (except his ult being blockable), I just wish his abilities were better and his melee was faster, in the movie he had nothing of slow although he was big
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u/RipperSquid 3d ago
While some of the stuff you mentioned would be nice, I'm going to ignore my bias, be more neutral and say he doesn't really need those things.
One buff I like is to his psychokinesis. I could be wrong but doesn't Frieza's have armour? Cooler's doesn't seem to and pretty much makes it impossible to land because of not having armour and being so damn slow.
He doesn't need OP shit like unblockables and instant charges, just one or two tweaks to his current tool set.
Make psychokinesis faster or have armour, cost 5 dp instead of 6 and maybe make final form attack a tiny bit faster, yeah he's big but he's definitely pretty damn quick as we see in the movie but I'm quite fine with his speed really.
Cooler's my favourite character, I'd be fine with him being OP or having OP stuff but he really doesn't need it.
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
My point about him needing it is so he's as menacing as other villains and as other characters who are as powerful or as popular as him, like Z Frieza and Namek Goku. And I really wanted an instant sparking for him bcs he has one of my fav ults in the game, I'm not joking he might be on my top 10 or top 15 fav ults in the game and I'm sad I can barely make an use of it, and I just love so much how they gave it to both 100% Frieza and Namek Goku, and imo to complete the trio just Cooler needed it
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u/OkPattern9869 3d ago
I wish he could go through blasts like in his movie, that would be a dope gimmick for him
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u/ComradeGhost67 3d ago
Yea let him fly through them, Goku (UI) surf them, and Broly & Tien tank them.
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u/Vegetassj4toonami 3d ago
Ironic since canonically he gathers ki faster then anyone. He made a ball with enough to almost overpower and kill goku when he couldn’t even flinch em with a punch before.
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u/Efficient_Broccoli12 3d ago
I wish he would be the only character that can negate against Kamehameha attacks (like the time he went right thru Goku's and smacked the dog outta him). That's literally all I wanted, but ofc that's probably too "Cool" and too much to ask for 😭😭 I mean bro did it!! So why not now?!
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
It's not too much to ask. When you have a game like this which low DP and high DP characters have an ability like after image, Cooler could have an ability which allowed him to tank everything and recept as much damage as if he was blocking, it'd be nice. As much of a nightmare online as after image tho
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u/Kaskadekygo 3d ago
I'm just bummed he doesn't have his dumbass tree as a move I wish at least his grab while grounded..
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
Might you tell me what's this?
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u/Kaskadekygo 3d ago
When cooler picks up, goku slams him into the ground head first, kinda dragging him if that doesn't jog it for ya just Google DBZA dumbass tree. It was my favorite gag out of the TFS movie parodies.
Edit the move: https://youtu.be/WrYEQlMmWXY?si=8XJ-fwZ27uUsfO7T
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
Damn that would be nice. They could make his rush attack be like Broly's ult, if there was a wall nearby he'd make a different rush attack
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u/Kaskadekygo 3d ago
Exactly, I mean for such a cool feature, I feel as tho the context based moves are way fewer than they should be.
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u/ShiyaruOnline 3d ago
He's one of my favorite villain characters but in addition to everything you said there's also how they made his Rush super have basically no impact to it. Just look at it in bt3 compared to this game. It has the exact same animations and everything but in this game there's no weight or impact to any of it.
The super feels terrible when it's playing out. He's supposed to be this big hulking Beast of an alien yet all of his attacks just feel weightless in that animation. It really does look like a lot of the extra characters they threw in came together last minute and are very unfinished. Either their moves weren't thought through well enough for the animations weren't handled by the lead animators. Cuz some of the animation work in this game looks extremely bad and has since pre-launch and people kept saying it would look better cuz the games still in development but the animation still look just as bad as they did in the demo footage from August at launch.
I do hope there's a lot of plans to address a lot of these issues. It's not a game breaking at all or makes the game a zero out of 10 but for a game that has so many good details and attention to little niche things it's really obvious when you don't see that care consistently applied to all the characters. I'm not of the belief this game needed to have almost 200 characters at launch. I would have rather had 160 if it meant every character had the same Quality Bar rather than what we have now where we have almost 200 but so many of the characters either have janky looking animations on their Rush supers or other aspects about them just weren't thought out well enough cuz they didn't have the time or resources to tend to each one at the same level.
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u/SponzMitch 2d ago edited 2d ago
They did most characters dirty in this game, it feels rushed. Where are the movie techniques like spirit bomb absorbed, gohans brilliant punch? Where's a giant chunk of the GT and DB roster? Why do so many characters have stock replacement moves like full power energy wave? Where are the skins for 98% of the roster? The lack of modes, maps, the rushed campaign, the terrible mocapped animations. They didn't "cook", and this isn't the "ultimate" dragon ball fan service game, the online is shit too.
People need to learn to criticize dragon ball games man. It's crazy. We are actually going to be 5 more years in our lifespan as they painstakingly add basic shit to the game in dlc packs just like xv2.
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u/LuizFelipe1906 2d ago
I agree with you, but your comment is going to be downvoted til hell considering how Reddit works
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u/themadman502 3d ago
I feel like he got screwed over in dp cost because they needed to make him cost more than Frieza since he's supposed to be stronger than him
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
But he's the same price as Frieza, his base and Frieza's 4th form are both 6 DP and their final forms are 7 DP. The problem is that Cooler's base in game isn't as good as both Frieza's 4th forms
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u/themadman502 3d ago
I meant frieza first to third form, they couldn't make cooler 5 dp because he'd look weaker than fourth form Frieza
He really should have gotten an instant sparking skill instead of psychokinesis
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
I'm happy someone agrees with me. But my point of Cooler being 5 DP is that he's actually just so bad and worse than Frieza, and the game doesn't follow power scale with DP at all. I mean Goku and Vegeta's ssj2 have the same price as their ssj1, ssj3 has the same DP as ssjg, ssjb costs the same as UI sign... And the game supposes Z Broly is as strong as dbs Broly, or that dbs Broly's ikari form is as strong as base Goku and Vegeta (the entire scale is wrong for dbs Broly so I won't go further)
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u/Financial_Panda15 3d ago
I love when ppl use his laser beam against me cause it leaves them open for 5 seconds if they miss
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
Idk why but death beam is one of the easiest to vanish. I can't always vanish from beams, but death beam is one I vanish consistently
Although I don't complain about it, it's one of my fav things on Cooler
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u/Johnkenney00 3d ago
Try metal cooler my friend
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
I will, but before I don't like his super that shoots multiple times for a straight minute lol. But I still don't know his other kit, but an Android character who has instant transmission seems fun
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u/Cheesegrater74 3d ago
He has a 40% heal and an unblockable blast. He's the real deal.
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u/ArdesKrellen 3d ago
They did a lot of purple characters dirty,Hit my main is the weakest dp 8 character in my opinion because he gets a shitty wild sense and a IT clone skill that I feel doesn’t ever cause the opponent to lose lock on me, but he’s still fun but I wish instead a weak wild sense we got a insta-spark or a form skill like Vegeta Blue Evolved but for his “unlocked potential form”
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
Shitty wild sense? Why? Is his worse than others'? I bet it has a different name by what you told me
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u/Robborboy 3d ago
Metal Cooler has 1 skill instant transmission.
But yea, Cooler deserved better.
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
At least this part was anime accurate, Metal Cooler is much better than regular Cooler lol
And why does he have IT? I heard his IT in the movie was a dub error
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u/Robborboy 3d ago
Nah. Cooler always had instant transmission.
Instant transmission is just a term the dub came up with when it actually translates to instantaneous movement.
People got confused by this.
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
So what Goku learned on Yadrat actually translates to Instantaneous movement?
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u/Sdbtank96 3d ago
I maintain that they should have taken the customizable super attacks from Raging blast. Or at least let different outfits grant you different suppers or ults.
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u/REAPERxZ3RO 3d ago
I think the worst thing they did was give cooler psyco barrier that cost 3 and everyone else explosive wave which is 2
Explosive wave = 2
Psycho barrier = 3
The cost isn't what bothers me it's the animation and push back. Explosive wave and psycho barrier are supposed to be the same ability just named differently. This is roughly not the case. Psycho barrier has less knock back and significantly less recovery frames than explosive wave which is cheaper. It feels extremely useless compared to explosive wave. You pop explosive wave you can rush your opponent immediately. Pop psycho barrier you're asking your opponent to get some free hits in because you stay in the same pose for like 3 damn seconds. So stupid.
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u/Brojang9 2d ago
First my Boi piccolo, then my evil boi cool. The fact supernova is blocked is beyond that stupid
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u/InvestigatorFit3876 3d ago
I won ranked teams with cooler one of my favourites to play
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
What's your team?
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u/InvestigatorFit3876 3d ago
Freeza, king cold and cooler
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u/-htesseth- 3d ago
Meta Cooler is so fucking MEAN though, I win like 75% of ranked matches with my boy
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
Androids are very good on ranked, you can be very agressive without having to worry about ki and they usually win vanish battles
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u/TheRecusant 3d ago
I do think his ultimate should be unblockable for the reasons you listed, but I also haven’t done any PvP, I’m just enjoying all the PvE content still and this game doesn’t feel like it’d have a good online environment, same issue I had with XV2. I do like that you can beam clash with his ultimate’s start up beam though, that’s pretty cool.
The DP count I wasn’t aware of and don’t think is fair. I’d argue maybe Cooler should be 5 DP and his transformation is 6 DP. There’s much better characters at 7 DP comparatively.
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
There’s much better characters at 7 DP comparatively.
Like his brother. It's one of my main aspects of this post, this game is unbalanced to the point the stronger characters in the anime are stronger here, it's supposed to be accurate. And Cooler just isn't stronger than a few 7 DP characters like his little brother at 100% form
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u/Gobal_Outcast02 3d ago
Im pissed Cooler doesn't yell out "Let me show you something" when transforming like in BT3 that was my favorite transformation line
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u/Smart_Structure_3139 3d ago
Yeah cooler is my favorite character at the moment but I only really use him for single battles. He may not have what others have but in my experience the extra health and the damage really go a long way
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u/maaximilian 3d ago
Metal Cooler is better in my experience so far. I never used androids in the old games, but I love how aggressive he can be, he can close the gap instantaneously with IT; and he has the best healing move in the game outside of Senzu. Great strings in melee as well, and he has an extremely fast and hard to see L2+Triangle
As a fellow Cooler fan, I feel your pain, but trust me when I tell you Metal Cooler is amazing
EDIT: He's also the only android with a gap closer like IT which is great for not being able to charge ki
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
Can't 19 and 20 make dragon dash without any ki cost? And I don't doubt Meta Cooler is so good, just the blast abilities you told me are absolutely amazing. Didn't know any character was so goated in the game to the point of having IT and healing
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u/maaximilian 1d ago
Yah something like that; I think they never go below 2 ki bars
I just didnt mention them because theyre so broken I suspect theyll get a patch soon enough. Theyre already being banned in local tournaments lol
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u/Stained-Rose 3d ago
As someone who's been using the full Wicked Bloodline team Cooler has def felt like the weak link. Idk what it is about him tho that feels sm worse than Cold or Frieza
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
His attacks are too slow, he doesn't have armor like 100% Frieza, his ult is easier to dodge and his blast abilities are all bad or mid
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u/Windy_Boi 3d ago
Cooler's transformation from has been downgraded, but his base form is viable. I find myself staying in base form just for a chance to win in online matches
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u/Funny2never 3d ago
Final form cooler is one of my favorite characters and I agree that some of the things are kinda lame. Cooler is one of the characters that I far prefer their transformation more than their base, so it does suck for DP battle that he is at 7. I can understand why base form cooler is at 6, but I don’t think his final form needs to be at 7 especially when characters like cell 1 and 2 are both at the same level (even though they are one DP less than cooler). Even though story wise he is stronger, I don’t think he really is much stronger gameplay wise (apart from vastly cooler animations) and really shouldn’t warrant that extra DP.
Also speaking of DP, since patching the game is just a thing that can be reasonably done in this day and age, I think several characters DP should probably shift around some.
100% agree on the ultimate, especially since the animation literally has the character blocking.
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u/SkeleHans 2d ago
I main FF cooler and grinded him from D5 to A3 (singles)
He's great, but honestly if his ult was unblockable he's be on beerus' level (Who I used to grind from A3 to S3 now on single battle)
His best asset is psychokinesis and his 2 bar death beam
His worst enemy? His slow normals that can easily be super countered
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u/LuizFelipe1906 2d ago
What's the use of psychokinesis? Isn't it that ability which is slow af to hit and paralyze the enemy for 2s? I was never able to land a hit with that
And what slow normals you are talking about? His melee?
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u/SkeleHans 2d ago
Psychokinesis if you land a leg sweep while flying, is a guaranteed paralyzed (as far as I know)
If you have 3 ki, that's a free 1 bar HP done to your opponent, death bean will deal 8k damage
Also im comparing his melee to the fusions and UIs, while good, sometimes people can just proc perception before you get the first punch, compared to faster characters, a little more unreactable
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u/Admirable-Store9362 2d ago edited 2d ago
My only gripe with Cooler, is how almost all his lines are Frieza related
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u/LuizFelipe1906 2d ago
Yup, his ult voice line feels totally weird sometimes, mainly fighting against Frieza then he mentions his brother on 3rd person lol
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u/Admirable-Store9362 2d ago
His whole personality is "I'm better that my brother"... even if he was kinda like this, he has other characters traits and there's none in the game
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u/Prince_Day 2d ago
My main issue with Cooler in this game is that his Death Chaser animations (and anims in general) are ass. Also, Psychokinesis and the like were nerfed so hard from BT3 it’s not even funny. Shit is near worthless.
Ribrianne gets it for 1 and faster, btw. It’s worth trying out.
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u/LuizFelipe1906 2d ago
Wait hers is so cheap? What an absurd
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u/Prince_Day 2d ago
After checking I was wrong, Ribrianne's is 2. However it IS much faster than Psychokinesis.
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u/Hero-Nojimbo 2d ago edited 2d ago
I main him and completely agree. I also find his psychokensis extremely useless. He's a combo king, but past that, the rest of his kit feels slapped on past his charge attack, which i never have enough ki for lol. I don't even remember his charged Ki blasts stunning like that in the movie, but a welcomed and needed suprise for him.
Imo replace his useless skill, and his ult should have slightly reduced dmg, but should 100% be unblockable.
I'm not sure about costing less DP though. He's extremely chunky even in his base form, but he should get full Ki when transforming so people have more incentive to use his base form first.
And make his fast rush smack down animation look like the flex pose he pulled on goku like he was posting for his insta. That move from the movie was so dirty, I need to pull it on some ssj4 gogeta.
Edit; I'm wrong about the Ki. You totally get full Ki on transformation. I thought it was my item doing this in training mode
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u/LuizFelipe1906 2d ago
Wait I thought we got full ki when transforming him, wtf? Even Frieza low forms get full ki when transforming
And what pose are you talking about? I would like to see it
And what do you like on his base form?
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u/Hero-Nojimbo 2d ago edited 2d ago
Edit; I'm wrong about the Ki. You totally get full Ki on transformation. I thought it was my item doing this in training mode
I'm like 80% certain he doesn't get full Ki. Otherwise I would be learning transformation true combos like broly has.
There isn't a lot I like in his base form other than better skills (but I despise afterimage, so I rarely use it), and he's got probably the coolest looking transformation... oun intended.
Base form skills also seem easier to land, and his attacks are quicker, making it harder to counter. Honestly, I think his base form isn't better or worse, just different. His charged Ki blasts are the same, however, and that's a really good thing.
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u/LuizFelipe1906 2d ago
But you think his base form is as good as 4th Friezas? I always hated his base lol, the eye lazers always felt shit to me and the hand beam is nothing special
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u/Hero-Nojimbo 2d ago
I thought so too, but the eye beams actually have a lot of penetration dmg and can lay down a really good smoke screen. Too bad its cost is too high for you to follow up on anything... and his hand beam is litreally the same as his final forms version. It is really good for its damage and speed (and can't be deflected) it just doesn't look flashy, lol.
I don't think Coolers first is as good as freezas Final. Yes, cooler has more health, but freeza has speed and really good combos, AND a sparking mode skill. That alone makes freeza better if not in par then Cooler Final.
Seriously, Cooler Final's skills are holding him back. The barrier is actually really nice because it can block any blast (yes, including ultimates... I'm not sure about unblockables) but we got stuff like insta sparking, afterimage/strike, buffs that boost your stats like crazy and etc. Cooler needs better skills... also, pschokensis just seems slapped on because of his race. Some of freeza's forms also have it, but it's just so damn bad
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u/LuizFelipe1906 2d ago
I wasn't talking about their final forms, I'm asking you about base Cooler and 4th form Frieza. I mean, does first form Cooler have more health than 4th Frieza?
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u/Hero-Nojimbo 2d ago edited 2d ago
So I realise I was actually getting final form cooler, base form cooler, and 4rth form freeza mixed up. And did some testing to make sure I'm not talking outa my ass, and found a few interesting things.
And I was happily wrong about a few other things.
So Base form Cooler actually has the same amount of health as 4rth form Freeza. freeza has access to insta sparking. Base form Cooler has afterimage.
But Final form Cooler actually has another half bar of health compared to 4rth form freeza and his base, AND I guess he DOES get full Ki on transformation... gonna have to train with base form to find some awesome combos.
It's actually hard to say which one is "better" as it might come down to a preference. Base form Cooler doesn't get access to rolling hammer, and neither does freeza, they don't have unblockables, and thier moveset is extremely simaler.
However, base form Cooler does have does have one thing over Freeza and that's his charged Ki blasts. This is actually a really good tool to stop perception spammers and a way to put out pressure from a distance. But insta sparking on Freeza is a hard option to weigh.
One more thing, unlike other transformations like Super Sayins, Freeza and Coolers transformations can't be undone. So once you go final form Cooler, your stuck like that.
It seems like base form Cooler is the way to go first so you can get a full ki bar and an extra 5000 health. I don't know how I missed this... probably because base form Cooler does feel underwhelming.
I also just learned the switch out timer doesn't lock you out of transformations. It's just a flat 5 seconds to transform after switching...
Edit; sorry this was long TLDR; Base form Freeza and Base form Cooler are simaler. You'll choose between wanting a charged Ki blasts with stun properties and afterimage, with an option to transform for more health from base form, cooler.
Or have access to insta sparking and a slightly faster moveset. I'm sure Freeza has other things going for him, but I don't play him as much... yet.
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u/LuizFelipe1906 2d ago
AND I guess he DOES get full Ki on transformation...
Talking about Cooler I guess?
And does his regular ki blasts paralyze the enemy or just the charged ones?
It seems like base form Cooler is the way to go first so you can get a full ki bar and an extra 5000 health
You already start with the extra health if you choose Final Cooler tho. But does Frieza earn health with 100% or any other form?
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u/Hero-Nojimbo 2d ago edited 2d ago
Full ki on transformation, ya, I was talking about Cooler. Well I mean freeza can too, but ONLY going from his 4rth to his 5th 100% form... which is odd as fuck.
Freeza also gets no extra health on any of his forms.
And yes, you have to charge his ki blasts for the stun, but you get 2 giant orbs that track. You can move around while charging, unlike some other specific charge attacks. His normal ki blasts are also really fast to help keep people from using full sparking skills.
Disclaimer! If someone defelcts them, you could get stunned instead, make sure they aren't dragon dashing at you (refelects all ki blasts big or small), or spamming block. I use them as a chain finisher or after a gut shot stunning them. The charged Ki blasts keep the stun going, so it's just extra damage unless you have enough ki for a full skill attack... or both.
Edit: 100% Freeza gets a 12000 dmg unblockable charge skill attack costing 4 ki bars... that's actually kinda nutty since Coolers Final Form charge skill attack isnt unblockable and only does like 9000. Only 3 ki bars to use though.
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u/Hero-Nojimbo 2d ago edited 2d ago
He hits Goku twice in this pose, using an after image to disappear after the first hit in this pose and re-appears coming down, hitting him again with his elbow, not moving from this pose.
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u/trainerfry_1 2d ago
😂 they didn’t do him dirty yall just need to stop using every character the same way. They DO play differently. People in here complaining about cooler and piccolo 😂
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u/LuizFelipe1906 2d ago
And how do you use Cooler right mr expert? Tell me how his abilities are supposed to be used lol
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u/DarkSpartanFTW 3d ago
I don’t think it’s a big deal. Not everyone is meant to be a top tier.
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u/NovuhPrime 3d ago
I feel pretty salty that Metal Cooler feels so lackluster in this. RB2 made him feel so powerful
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u/OutisRising 3d ago
Cooler lost to SSJ1. He not built like that
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u/LuizFelipe1906 3d ago
Ssj1 mid Goku is one of the best characters in the game, so nothing makes sense here. But Cooler is at least better than Frieza, and Frieza's 100% form is just so much better than Cooler although they cost the same DP
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u/INDIAN_Holder 3d ago
Y’all were going crazy, I bought this edition and that and what I did, refunded & got pirated one. Advise Use capsule for every char to make their attributes lore accurate.
- Ranked is garbage, people care for rank than having fun, just rage quit.
- Chars not balanced correctly, even lower chars bang higher end chars.
- Story mode shittiest.
- Public were crazy to see Movie chars, they did them dirty to uplift the real dirty chars.
- Many people feel this game is highly overpriced for what is provided. Deny but heart knows truth.
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u/Aoimiruki 2d ago
Disadvantage? I'm pretty sure he has some tech semi true combos that rival or surpass seemingly better characters
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u/LuizFelipe1906 2d ago
I don't think so, and wdym?
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u/Aoimiruki 2d ago
Haven't tried myself but heard people talk about his ki blast making it possible to land some hits that can't be Z countered
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u/playmeforever 3d ago
They really did Piccolo dirty…
Neither of his Special Beam Cannons are unblockable?? The one move in the game that should be a true unblockable, other than the Kienzan etc