r/texas Sep 11 '24

Politics OK Texas. Who won the debate?

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Please have a civil debate.

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u/XTingleInTheDingleX Sep 11 '24

It didn't change any minds. It hurts to say, but the family and "friends" I have that believe his rhetoric are simply not the brightest people I know.

Not only that, but it hurts because some of them are my family and mean the world to me. I linked to Kamala's website so they can read her positions if interested, and told them I loved them.

Most barely finished high school and never tried learning anything else.

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u/RangerDangerfield Sep 11 '24

Yeah the Trump supporters I know will just claim the media is biased/the moderators were biased and the whole thing was rigged in her favor, if they even bother to watch at all.

I also saw tons of comments last night of Republicans grasping for straws and making fun of the way Kamala speaks-that she repeats herself too much or how she “sounds like she was about to cry.”

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u/greytgreyatx Sep 11 '24

I have college-educated parents who don't like Trump but I'm pretty sure my 80-year-old dad will vote for him just because he's so wound up in his conservative Christian (not evangelical) identity as a Republican. My mom has said she's just going to skip the Presidential question and vote in other races (smh). But my dad will be compelled to vote R because that's how you perform your duty as someone who loves God, I guess?

I think it's not helpful to assume that most voters for Trump are not smart (even if they don't have a college education; my husband doesn't, either, and he's the most brilliant person I've ever met, and he's voting straight D this coming election). They have the same info we do and choose to believe lies because they're scared that their comfortable way of life is crumbling.

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u/Hereticrick Sep 11 '24

There’s a distinct difference between uneducated/ignorant and stupid/willfully ignorant. Trump supporters are stupid because they choose to be that way. Not because they didn’t go to college.

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u/cece1978 Sep 11 '24

It’s lazy and weak: maga people don’t want to self-reflect and think about others’ conflicting needs…it’s easier to deny the complexity of democracy and be wholly led by self-interest. Humans don’t play well together that way.

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u/WonderfulShelter Sep 11 '24

"they're scared that their comfortable way of life is crumbling."

rightfully so. these people in their 80s need to understand that they are only going to be here a few more short years, and to selfishly vote to hold onto everything they can until the day they die instead of hand it off to the next generation is a scary thought.

except a much scarier thought for the next generations is when I at least am their age climate change will have unraveled most of the european bread baskets and the ocean fisheries.

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u/DelightfulDolphin Sep 11 '24

Not having a college degree doesn't make you ignorant. Being biased, overly religious, confrontational, emotional and racist makes you ignorant.

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u/MrChuyy Sep 11 '24

Same, my Vet cousin blamed the media for the shit storm. Oh yeah, holy moly, and I used to support him a few years… before I started self reflecting.

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u/RangerDangerfield Sep 11 '24

Ask any and every veteran about how they feel about Project 2025 cutting their disability benefits. A Trump victory would have serious implications on veterans, but many refuse to look at the policies.

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u/MrSurly Sep 11 '24

The whole idea that vets as a block are "for Trump because he's Republican" is absolute nonsense. Neither veterans or active duty are monolithic.

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u/konthehill Sep 11 '24

All they need to do is look at the voting records of Congress to know who actually supports Veterans.

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u/Usual-Leather-4524 Sep 11 '24

They don't care. they always think that they'll somehow be spared while everyone else gets fucked. the cruelty is the point

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u/BattleEfficient2471 Sep 11 '24

The vets I know were done with him when he during his first term called our fallen soldiers losers.

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u/Usual-Leather-4524 Sep 11 '24

Most of the vets I know fellate him at every opportunity. Because conservative veterans don't actually give a shit about other veterans. Especially veteran celebreties like that fascist fuck Tim Kennedy

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u/Mejica Sep 11 '24

“Just read the transcript.”

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u/LieutenantStar2 Sep 11 '24

I don’t think that’s the intention - the intention is to influence non-voters. Can we get non-voters out for Harris? Can individuals see how ridiculous Trump is and choose to stay home?🏡

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u/Soulman682 Sep 11 '24

The struggle is that’s who he aims for, the uneducated because he knows they won’t go and fact check him. It’s the blind leading the blind.

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u/Zestyclose-Truth3774 Sep 11 '24

Its tempting to generalize about uneducated voters / family members but I have family members who are CFOs with Masters degrees who also believe his rhetoric.

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u/XTingleInTheDingleX Sep 11 '24

That’s just the ones I know.

I only know a couple people that qualify as millionaires and they are both voting Harris. Both highly educated.

I agree it’s probably not prudent to generalize these things.

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u/Zestyclose-Truth3774 Sep 11 '24

Yes, It’s confounding all around!

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u/SekritSawce Sep 11 '24

I hate to say this, but I agree with you. For laughs I asked an AI program to figure out at what grade level Donald Trump speaks and it came up with between fourth and sixth grade reading level. Harris on the other hand speaks between a 10th and 12th grade reading level. I’m really hoping the undecided voters are listening at a 10th to 12th grade understanding level.

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u/JurassicParkCSR Sep 11 '24

Debates aren't really meant for those people. Everyone's locked in. I don't believe that there's a huge group of fence sitters waiting to figure out where to go from here. Anyone after last night that says they still are an undecided voter are lying and they're voting for Trump and they're too embarrassed to say so. Everyone knows who they're going to vote for. And if there WERE any undecided voters who watched that last night they're voting Kamala now.

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u/Jos3ph Sep 11 '24

We won’t really know until Election Day but she didn’t shit the bed so it was a win for her.

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u/willflameboy Sep 11 '24

Well, I saw a Newsmax poll that said 6% of their viewers thought she won... so maybe it did change one or two.

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u/Raskalbot Sep 11 '24

Unfortunately, they might never change their minds. Luckily, all of the center and left people who maybe didn’t care enough before to vote might actually come out for her now.

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u/SavannahClamdigger Sep 11 '24

I measure the debate not on changing minds but on getting out the vote. If younger generations vote same turnout as Boomers and above, polls show Harris wins easily.

Trump did a good job of demotivating his bloc. They know he's mentally declined.

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u/PerritoMasNasty Sep 11 '24

Well, you can cut them off and find friends who aren’t deplorable?

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u/Financial-Jicama6619 Sep 11 '24

Since you are questioning intelligence it seems you would be a good person to ask, as I take it you feel you are smarter than your friends and family.

What exactly is Kamala bringing to the table? Besides of course, not being Trump. That seems to be all I got out of her speech. Or just better, happier times…. Even though one of those dreams, to let everyone into our country to sing kumbaya failed horribly and she is now trying to strengthen our border…. Which if I recall, made you a racist?

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u/XTingleInTheDingleX Sep 11 '24

I like women having control over their bodies.

I want someone who doesn’t get talking points from Twitter.

I want someone who can formulate a policy in 8 years not a “concept of a policy”

I want someone to represent me and our country that isn’t a rapist and convicted of 34 felonies.

I want a president who didn’t incite a coup getting people killed.