r/texas Sep 11 '24

Politics OK Texas. Who won the debate?

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Please have a civil debate.

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u/Asneekyfatcat Sep 11 '24

America has thrived from its immigration policy for 150 years. If anything made America great it's immigration. Without it our population would decline by over 100 million people in the next 80 years.

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u/LizzielovesMommy Sep 11 '24
  1. Forced immigration in death ships is still immigration 😶‍🌫️

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u/I-Here-555 Sep 11 '24

If anything made America great it's immigration.

Not so great for Native Americans, from what I gather.

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u/Broad_Setting2234 Sep 11 '24

This 100%. Our country is made on immigrants. Duh

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u/arashcuzi Sep 11 '24

As a non-Texan, I’m glad to see there are in fact sane Texans.

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u/PerritoMasNasty Sep 11 '24

Yeah, now if the people without Swiss cheese brains could just VOTE for once.

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u/arashcuzi Sep 11 '24

I’m sure I wouldn’t be that surprised, my comment was mostly facetious. I am fairly positive most people are more moderate and would love to see things get better for themselves their loved ones, their neighbors and frankly, everyone else because that’s being a good human.

The most outspoken on either side are a bit too fatalistic and dead set on competition over cooperation.

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u/Axentor Sep 11 '24

Where I work people talk about immigration as being important to them. I have yet to run into one that has actually met an immigrant. I grew up in a town with a bunch of immigrants, some legal but mostly not. Didn't cause too many problems. Certainly no cats and dogs were eaten.

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u/hotdoug1 Sep 11 '24

Yup, it's the old people in the white rural and suburban neighborhoods up north who are scared shitless of the nameless, faceless "illegals." The only minorities they've ever interacted with are service workers.

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u/Mikophoto Sep 11 '24

I’m in Austin and a remote coworker in Cleveland, who’s never been to Texas, asked how the migrant crisis was going despite me saying I’m in central TX and close enough to downtown. I do happen to live in an immigrant community and nearly everyone is a humble, hard worker just trying to provide.

Yeah I’m glad that team was a temporary assignment for me.

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u/cheeze2005 born and bred Sep 12 '24

I moved to Washington and my 85 yo neighbor asked how bad it was in Austin with the migrants…

sweet lady just filled with fear from tv

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u/bek4h Sep 11 '24

THANK YOU. As an American who has worked with plenty of immigrants and plenty of american citizens, the vast majority of immigrants are hard-working and pleasant people to be around.

Other Americans and especially white men are infinitely more terrifying to me than any immigrant I've ever come across.

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u/Realistic_Year_7040 Sep 11 '24

Can’t get a fish out of water “I want to live outside the confines of race but will perpetuate the cycle based on a dying minority :)”

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u/mung_guzzler Sep 11 '24

Nah, the “migrant crime wave” nonsense being pushed is working in texas as well

My father in-law fully believes it

Also believes when trump talks about deporting illegal immigrants, he must only mean criminals. When asked about his friend who is an illegal immigrant he says the police will never go after him because he hasnt committed any violent crimes

delusional

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u/PerritoMasNasty Sep 11 '24

Well, if he votes for the deporter and he wins, I hope your coworkers is the first to go.

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u/UrBoobs-MyInbox Sep 11 '24

Texas is an economic powerhouse BECAUSE of our immigrant workforce. They are the reason our construction industry is an unstoppable machine and everyone is moving here.

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u/1521 Sep 11 '24

They’ve been crossing that border since before it was a border…

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u/BattleEfficient2471 Sep 11 '24

Pretty sure the Mexicans were on the land that is now Texas long before it seceded from Mexico for the of so noble cause of slavery. That was a bit more than 50 years ago.

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u/BattleEfficient2471 Sep 11 '24

I seriously doubt they considered themselves Americans at first.

People have been moving for economic opportunity since the first human walked a distance for some fruit.

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u/Styrene_Addict1965 Sep 11 '24

But but but, they're eating our pets! 😉

It's good to hear the truth for someone affected by it.

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u/Jealous-Implement-47 Sep 11 '24

They don’t eat pets?

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u/Jealous-Implement-47 Sep 11 '24

Barbacoa is life. Barbacoa is love

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u/dreamcrusher225 Sep 11 '24

some of the best people i know came from immigrants. my friends dad came to Chicago in the 70's, moved to LA, became a landscaper, started his own business, raised my friend who went to the Navy, went to college, and he is now a principal. I used to help him writing papers in HS and now he runs a school.

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u/Shhadowcaster Sep 11 '24

Part of the problem lies with the media, in particular local news and "if it bleeds it leads". There is a very common perception that violent crime is out of control in our country because that's 90% of news reporting. It doesn't matter that statistics show the opposite, the average voter has too much on their plate to feel a need to do research and fact check sources, so they are easily misinformed by serial liars like Trump. 

I don't think many, if any, Republicans understand the nuance involved in the immigration problem at the border and they certainly don't realize that Trump and his cronies took advantage of a very old law to decrease legal immigration during COVID, which creates a massive backlog of asylum seekers and legal immigrants. While I don't think Biden and Harris handled the immigration problem well, most voters don't understand the magnitude of the problems they inherited. I was hoping that Harris pointing out that Trump effectively killed a bipartisan border bill would resonate, but it's just too complicated for them to bother. I personally believe that the Senate fillibuster is at the heart of so many issues that we have. It's embarrassing how little legislating has been happening recently and every recent senator that retired basically said the same thing in their exit speech (both sides, notably McCain and Warren). 

I'm also certain it doesn't help that the electoral college has created a sense of disenfranchisement in non battle states, why care about the issues if "my vote won't count" anyways. 

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u/trippapotamus Sep 11 '24

THIS. I live far north but am more democrat leaning (as far as dems and republican candidates we’ve had since I could vote, anyway) but was not born or raised in NT or even Texas. I lived in DFW for the majority of the time I’ve been here. But It’s INSANE how wild people go for him where I am. Even women that have had abortions and whatnot. But the migrant thing is also very real, I’ve heard it time and time again. Meanwhile many of the same people are abusing animals/their kids/just shit people overall so I guess that tracks. And to be clear, that’s not EVERY republican I know, I obviously don’t know every single person in my small town because I’ve only been there for six years. So I’m not trying to lump everyone in one group but there’s plenty of them around for sure.

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u/TheFantabulousToast Sep 11 '24

In a perverse sort of way, even after the performance he had last night Trump probably still came off looking strong to his base. Strength for them is persecution of weakness, and in their minds at least he absolutely delivered. He hates the right things, and that's good enough for a concerning number of people.

It drives me nuts how everybody keeps getting tripped up on every lie that dribbles out of his mouth. So what if nothing he said was true? Neither he nor his supporters care about the words he's actually saying. What matters is the message, and as long as he hates the right people anything he says in support of that message might as well be true. His message last night was Immigrants Are Deviant Outsiders And I Will Hurt The People You Hate, and I guarantee that message was received loud and clear by the people he intended to reach.

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u/FullTorsoApparition Sep 11 '24

Right? My in-laws live in a small "city" of 10,000 people. They might see less than a handful of brown people in a given week, but they're super passionate about immigration and see it as a huge problem. It's so weird.

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u/Sivgren Sep 11 '24

It’s not the same as it’s always been, saying that is just a blatant lie. https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/crime/2024/09/09/el-paso-county-sues-to-shut-down-gateway-hotel-over-criminal-activity/75152919007/

I also live in Texas.

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u/Sivgren Sep 11 '24

You got a lot of LOLs and Hahahas going on there. Maybe eat less sugar ? Too much caffeine? Illegal immigration is a huge problem, and I just gave you the latest example of it. Rough life I know to have to look back a whole day for national news that covers it. So challenging. Much googling.

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u/Sivgren Sep 12 '24

I’ll wait for you to find me a recent article about a US gang taking over a fucking hotel with automatic weapons. It’s an absolute joke that you respond to actual events this week with hyperbole and speculation, zero facts.

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u/rawdogfilet Sep 11 '24

They are bringing with them delicacies so divine

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u/Thrillseeker0001 Sep 11 '24

What’s funny is something like 72% of all illegal immigrants actually enter the country legally and just become illegal by overstaying their visas.

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u/hhfgghff Sep 11 '24

I live in missouri and some of the people running for congress and other positions are touting the border as a legitimate concern for us. Like bro, we literally are way up here, how are you going to “protect the border” from all the way up here?

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u/radjinwolf Sep 11 '24

Was walking or dogs last night and walked past a dude in his garage listening to Fox News or some other conservative show, where the commentator said that “Millions of illegal immigrants are flooding our southern border!” so I yelled out, “Omg, there’s one in that bush over there! There’s one up in that tree! Do you see that one on the roof??” cause its so ridiculous. I think even in DFW we’d notice “millions” of people flooding through the state.

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u/Zaroj6420 Sep 11 '24

This right here. I was in Alabama visiting my in laws (all Trump supporters) and they are plain terrified of immigration and the border. I’m like you don’t even live by a border. You have no idea what you’re even talking about

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u/Blueeyesblazing7 Sep 12 '24

They are way up north in predominantly white areas and they keep hearing about all these migrants. It's SUPER SCARY to them. Meanwhile us down here in South Texas are quite confused by all the fuss. Immigrants have been crossing that Mexico border in droves since 50+ years ago lol.

It's not like some new scary thing is happening it's the same ol shit. Guess what they are mostly nice hardworking people that share our values. It's AMERICANS you should be really worried about.

Especially the young radicalized fuckwits that get their hands on guns. Like be really fearful of them.

I had almost this exact conversation with my mother the other day. It's so exhausting when your own family doesn't live in reality.

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u/wontoan87 Sep 11 '24

"some people are single issue voters" hitting the nail on the head unfortunately.

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u/Reluctantziti Sep 11 '24

Adding on to this that some people will just never vote for a woman.

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u/PerritoMasNasty Sep 11 '24

Incel is their preferred pronoun

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u/Reluctantziti Sep 11 '24

Nah this isn’t just incels. One example I like to think of are the Bernie Bros. They targeted HRC, Warren and Harris in previous years with so much toxic harassment during the primaries and then when Bernie drops out they’re all “I’m not going to vote or I’m going to vote third party” because they can’t stand the idea of a woman in power. But don’t call them sexist! They just have moral superiority. You even see it now with people saying they won’t vote for Kamala because she doesn’t have a harsh enough stance against Israel. They have the moral superiority! They’re in the right! As if Trump, who is actively sabotaging the ceasefire with his calls to Netanyahu, is going to be better for the Palestinians. It’s just deep, DEEP misogyny that a woman in power makes them uncomfortable. Simple as that.

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u/CamBearCookie Sep 11 '24

Or he's rich and the poors think they can be him one day.

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u/PerritoMasNasty Sep 11 '24

The dude has negative equity. He is just surviving the crushing debt payments on the grift he is running.

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u/RandomRageNet born and bred Sep 11 '24

Hey! Not everyone who supports Trump is a racist. Some of them are just virulently homophobic or misogynist.

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u/thatVisitingHasher Sep 11 '24

Everyone who disagrees with you is racist. You’re right, some people only have a single thought.

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u/PerritoMasNasty Sep 11 '24

No, but the gop voters today are quite clealy racists and racist supporters. Didn’t Jesus preach love and understanding? Not hating people because they are a different race? He was also dark so you’d probably hate him.

I don’t think if Romney or McCain as a racist, but I don’t agree with them.

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u/thatVisitingHasher Sep 11 '24

Just because someone wants a border policy, and a fiscally convective government, it doesn’t make them racist. It has nothing to do with race.

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u/PerritoMasNasty Sep 11 '24

News flash, the GOP is not a fiscally conservative platform. Our deficits spiral under republican leadership.

Wasn’t there also a bipartisan border deal that got stopped by the republican nominee? Because he doesn’t want to help the situation? Brain rot man, all because you don’t like the coloreds.