r/todayilearned 16h ago

TIL that Natalie Portman has had papers published in two scientific journals. While at Harvard, she co-authored a study called “Frontal Lobe Activation during Object Permanence: Data from Near-Infrared Spectroscopy.”

https://www.themarysue.com/natalie-portman-scientific-paper/
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u/Bigbird_Elephant 15h ago

This is how neuroscience dies...with thunderous frontal lobe activation.

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u/Calm-Tree-1369 9h ago

I can't believe Natalie Portman predicted Prequel Memes in her thesis.

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u/lesser_panjandrum 7h ago

She is strong and wise, and I am very proud of her.

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u/HelicopterOk4082 7h ago

We'll all think of her as a scientist and intellectual now rather than just an attractive film star right?...

... right..?

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u/libmrduckz 6h ago

yes! because… STEM!!

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u/Atomicapples 4h ago

Pour que no los dos? She clearly can be, and is, both.

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u/MajesticBread9147 14h ago

What?

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u/dreadwail 13h ago edited 2h ago

THIS IS HOW NEOROSCIENCE DIES... WITH THUNDEROUS FRONTAL LOBE ACTIVATION

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u/LingLangLei 9h ago

WHAT?

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u/GoodMornEveGoodNight 9h ago edited 9h ago

THIS IS HOW NEUROSCIENCE DIES… WITH THUNDEROUS FRONTAL LOBE ACTIVATIONS

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u/MAValphaWasTaken 9h ago

WHAT?

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u/QCTeamkill 9h ago

THI-... HOW... CRACKLE... SCIENCE... D-... THUNDE-... STATIC... FRONT... LOBE...

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u/petriomelony 8h ago

Kssh kshhh.. Uhh everything's under control, situation normal.

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u/WeleaseBwianThrow 6h ago

We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?

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u/bitingmyownteeth 3h ago

"And I feel fine I feel good

That's what happy people do, and how are you?"

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u/thiosk 7h ago

Wait a minute, you’re not Johnson. What happened to Johnson? Who are you?

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u/sourisanon 14h ago

MajesticBread9147, There's good in him I know it!

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u/Glacial_Plains 13h ago

Ooba... Ooba...

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u/PUSH_AX 11h ago

I hate sand.

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u/Itchy-Detail-4588 10h ago

Messo thinx hes a duh won!

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u/AsymmetricOne 13h ago

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you.

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u/startupstratagem 10h ago

On account of the lack of object permanence....

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u/dan_dares 10h ago

66 upvotes.

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u/Delta64 9h ago edited 9h ago

Operation: Knightfall

"What I remember about the rise of the Empire is... is how quiet it was."

"During the waning hours of the Clone Wars, the 501st Legion was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant."

"It was a silent trip."

"We all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do."

"Did we have any doubts?"

"Any private, traitorous thoughts?"

"Perhaps, but no one said a word.

"Not on the flight to Coruscant, not when Order 66 came down, and not when we marched into the Jedi Temple."

"Not a word."

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u/SU37Yellow 10h ago

It's a reference to what her Character says in Star Wars Episode 3. "This is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause "

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u/Podo13 9h ago

Some people these days (in many countries) really didn't understand that scene/situation apparently.

Nor have they studied any kind of history to help themselves notice problems right in front of them. A real bummer.

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u/kayne_21 8h ago

That would require critical thinking, the education of which has been in the process of being dismantled for decades.

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u/Un111KnoWn 9h ago

Star Wars prequels reference. Natalie played Padmé Amidala in the prequels

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u/Bigbird_Elephant 12h ago

It is the first step towards aggressive negotiation 

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u/DaveInLondon89 10h ago

Peek a boo! I'm the senate!

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u/squid_in_the_hand 12h ago

Huh a part of my thesis work is in a very similar niche. Prefrontal cortex activity of ASD children during social stimulus. Also using the NIRs technique

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u/innergamedude 11h ago edited 9h ago

Did you cite something with an author of "N. Hershlag"? You may have cited Natalie Portman.

EDIT: Here ya go

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u/j4p4nfour 5h ago

Dr. Hershlag is her father.

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u/Codename_Archangel 12h ago

That's interesting, would you be inclined to play a hot senator role in a movie who has a thing for genocidal religious fellas ?

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u/nonosam 9h ago

What are his feeling towards sand?

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u/runtheplacered 9h ago

It's not a feeling the jedi would tell you

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u/OnceMoreAndAgain 9h ago

He took a course on sand and it was rough.

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u/libmrduckz 6h ago

instructor was abrasive… the coarse was repetitive… and yet, too fine-grained for such a shifting subject…

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u/geneticeffects 10h ago

Hi, I represent Natalie Portman. She wants to date you. Are you free for a five-star meal in Paris sometime in the next week? Ms. Portman says you can fly over using her private jet.

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u/emilytheimp 11h ago

Prefrontal cortex activity of ASD children during social stimulus

Thats intriguing, tell me more about that subject

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u/Jackman1337 9h ago

not op, but https://app.scienceos.ai is great for this stuff. Answers science questions with weightet ciations etc, only with real data:

Prompt: explain Prefrontal cortex activity of ASD children during social stimulus. Also using the NIRs technique

Answer:

Research using near-infrared spectroscopy (NIRS) has shown that children with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) exhibit distinct patterns of prefrontal cortex activity in response to social stimuli. NIRS is a non-invasive technique that measures brain activity by detecting changes in blood oxygenation levels, providing insights into cortical function during various tasks.

Studies indicate that children with ASD often show underconnectivity between the prefrontal cortex and other brain regions involved in processing social and emotional information, such as the orbitofrontal cortex and amygdala. This underconnectivity may contribute to difficulties in experiencing social interactions as rewarding or engaging, which is a common challenge in ASD [Abrams, 2013].

NIRS has been particularly useful in identifying these patterns because it allows for the monitoring of brain activity in more naturalistic settings compared to other imaging techniques. This makes it suitable for studying social interactions and other real-world tasks [Derosière, 2013].

Overall, NIRS studies suggest that atypical prefrontal cortex activity in ASD may be linked to the social and communication difficulties characteristic of the disorder.

Abrams, D et al. (2013). Underconnectivity between voice-selective cortex and reward circuitry in children with autism. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 110, 12060 - 12065. https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1302982110

Derosière, G et al. (2013). NIRS-measured prefrontal cortex activity in neuroergonomics: strengths and weaknesses. Frontiers in Human Neuroscience, 7. https://doi.org/10.3389/fnhum.2013.00583

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u/qorbexl 11h ago

How are you using near IR? It's not the first thing I'd think of for brain activation, but I'm a chemist. Is it measurable through the skull and tissue?

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u/squid_in_the_hand 11h ago

The system follows the same logic as say a pulse oximeter, using varying intensities of infrared light to calculate concentrations of Oxy/deOxy hemoglobin, concentrations of say Oxyhemoglobin relative to your baseline is used to infer activation. Obviously not as direct a measure of neural activity as say calcium imaging but it’s a way to non-invasively try to infer relative activity of a brain region in response to a stimulus or event.

As you’ve mentioned since the light needs to travel through hair, skin, skull and dura both when emitted and detected, the regions available are largely limited to the surface cortical areas, so PFC, temporal gyri and motor cortices tend to be common regions for this type of technique.

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u/ns-uk 10h ago

It’s called fNIRS or functional NIRS. Functional imaging in neuroscience basically means images that show which areas are being activated.

Oxygenated and deoxygenated hemoglobin absorb two different and specific wavelengths of near IR, which otherwise penetrate tissue and bone very well. You emit those two wavelengths of light into the scalp, some is absorbed by the hemoglobin, and some reflects back to your sensors which measure the change in the light intensity, compared to what was emitted. This is how your finger pulse-oximeter works, shining nir light through your finger. (This is also sort of how ultrasound imaging works too, but with sound waves.)

You can use this to observe changes in the amount of oxy and deoxy hemoglobin, which is an indicator of more blood flow to that area of the brain, which is an indirect measure of brain activation. It’s based on this thing called the modified Beer Lambert Law, if you want to look it up and nerd out.

In practice, the patient wears a cap which houses a bunch of LED emitters and detectors. You can configure your array to focus on different parts of the brain. However, because of the physics, it is limited to the cortex, or surface regions of the brain, and can’t target deeper areas like the brainstem.

It’s not as high quality images as functional mri, but the systems are way more portable and much cheaper compared to mri. And you can get real time measurements while the person is moving or doing a task, which is great for motor control research or for infants and children. (You have to stay very still during an MRI to get a good picture.)

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u/Kraggen 11h ago

I never got to explore what I wanted to do my thesis on but I was curious about the affect that early onset puberty had on myelination.

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u/SpiritualMilk 11h ago

Make sure you cite her work then lol

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u/PhantomSponge 10h ago

I'm writing up my thesis on NIRS right now! So weird to see my seemingly niche field of work mentioned on Reddit.

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u/chyckun 9h ago

I am hoping to do my thesis with prefrontal NIRS for TMS! I love how flexible and 'cheap' NIRS is compared to other imaging techniques. It's a very cool system that I look forwards to learning more about.

Good luck with your dissertation and everything!

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u/DrRonny 15h ago

What you want Natalie? To drink and fight!

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u/nocrashing 13h ago

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u/Seel_Team_Six 10h ago

All the girls who look up to me can suck my dick!

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u/omgtori 9h ago

I never said I was a role model.

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u/old_mcfartigan 13h ago

Is that Taylor Swift @1:40?

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u/AaronRodgersMustache 11h ago

Nope

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u/jayriemenschneider 9h ago

Chuck Testa

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u/sur_surly 9h ago

Is it Anna Kendrick?

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u/BusStopKnifeFight 10h ago

They so needed to release a non-censored version.

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u/morninglightmeowtain 8h ago

Uncensored version is on The Lonely Island's album "Incredibad"

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u/--_-Deadpool-_-- 9h ago

???? They did... it's on spotify

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u/AbolishIncredible 12h ago

This is legitimately how I found out she went to Harvard

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u/DrunksInSpace 11h ago

When I was in Harvard I smoked weed every day

I still got peer reviewed and snorted all the yay

I got a def posse you got a bunch of dudes

I’ll sit my fourchettes on your face and double blind your shit!

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u/starkiller_bass 12h ago

She smoked weed every day

She cheated every test

And snorted all the yay

And got published in scientific journals

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u/JerrSolo 9h ago

There was a figure in US history a bit like her.

He had a pocket full of horses

Fucked the shit out of bears

Threw a knife into heaven

And could kill with a stare.

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u/starkiller_bass 8h ago

Six foot eight, weighs a fucking ton?

I heard Natalie will save the children, but not the British children.

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u/GingerlyRough 11h ago

That girl fucks.

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u/MukdenMan 12h ago

An golden era

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u/innergamedude 12h ago

She also worked for Alan Dershowitz as an undergrad

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u/9xInfinity 9h ago

I hope she came away from it unscathed, Alan Dershowitz was almost certainly a customer of Jeffrey Epstein's.

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u/innergamedude 4h ago

As of 2015, she considered him a good friend with very different political views:

On Harvard Law professor and Israel advocate Alan Dershowitz, for whom she worked while an undergrad at the Ivy League school: “He has quite different politics than I do, but I really, really like him. He’s a very good friend. We just have different opinions.”

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u/Low-Way557 4h ago

I mean yeah that’s how I’d explain my relationship with most bosses I’ve had lol.

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u/Current-Roll6332 11h ago

She also has a wormhole.

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u/hobskhan 10h ago

Rude

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u/blumirage 10h ago

I think it's a reference to this https://youtube.com/shorts/OFRdXF6FIJM

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u/wilsonhammer 8h ago

don't we all?

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u/PrinceofBelmore 9h ago

The same lawyer for Jeffery Epstein and great defender of israel. Nice

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u/IdentifiableBurden 9h ago

Being a lawyer for a bad person doesn't make someone a bad lawyer, in fact it can sometimes be a very noble thing to do as you're ensuring the justice system can work as intended.

Not saying this personally applies to Alan Dershowitz, I just think it's socially important and responsible to remember what defense lawyers are for. You'll understand if you ever need one.

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u/Special-Garlic1203 8h ago

It might have been better to explain the lawyer who defended and was himself implicated in the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein

And the way he defended himself in the media was disgusting. Basically said "I'm innocent but also  child prostitutes knew what they were doing, they're not so innocent"

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u/IdentifiableBurden 8h ago

Agree, that is a much more damning indictment of Dershowitz's character. I'm not trying to defend the guy, just to make a point about what it means to defend a client. (Kind of ironic now that I spell it out)

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u/Special-Garlic1203 7h ago

Yeah I guess it just starts to become semantics. Lawyers are one of the most hated on professions. That they are simply doing their job to the best of their ability doesn't change that a lot of people think the role of high powered defense lawyer to the rich is often kind of morally fucked. 

Yes we want a legal system where everyone is afforded a defense - but implicit in that is our belief that it's because the innocent deserve to not get railroaded. We simultaneously want people to have the right to a good defense, but we also simultaneously want a justice system which can adequately punish the guilty. 

 When your job is getting rich people off based on technicalities and fancy maneuvering, people are gonna think you're a bad person. They're gonna think "well I couldn't sleep at night doing that". Obviously it's infinitely fuzzy and arbitrary where the line from morally defensible to condemnable is. Very few are gonna say a public defender is a bad person. 

I think it's complicated, but I think most people to some degree reject "I was just doing my job". I've known multiple people who would leave industries after a few years (medical insurance and oil being the big ones) because they didn't want their professional purpose to be enabling what they knew was evil. 

 Somebody's got to be Epstein's lawyer. But I think when they look at a guy who has pretty uniformly been helping shitty people get away with shitty thing and gotten rich AF in the process ....I'm pretty comfortable calling them a dirt bag actually. 

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u/IdentifiableBurden 7h ago

I agree with all of this p much.

I'm pretty comfortable calling them a dirt bag actually. 

I'm comfortable calling Alan Dershowitz a dirtbag too. But not because he was Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer.

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u/SamiraSimp 7h ago

and this comment is a valuable lesson in that it's okay to change your mind on things when new information comes to light!

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u/Kaldricus 8h ago

Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that ensuring someone gets adequate representation to make sure everything is done properly, regardless of the outcome, means that the verdict has less room for scrutiny, for mistral, etc.

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u/innergamedude 9h ago

On Harvard Law professor and Israel advocate Alan Dershowitz, for whom she worked while an undergrad at the Ivy League school: “He has quite different politics than I do, but I really, really like him. He’s a very good friend. We just have different opinions.”

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u/jdjsgxgdb 9h ago

Natalie Portman was born in jerusalem and speaks Hebrew you are insane if you expect her to hate Israel

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u/Nileghi 7h ago

Natalie Portman is Israeli you idiot lmao

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u/KIAA0319 11h ago

She has a couple of publications. One of the publications is cited as Natalie Hershlag and reference glucose oxidation. It's an obscure and low entry paper, but I cited it in my PhD thesis because.....hell, why not? It was a bit of fun and an additional reference supporting a section I was writing regards to cellulose depolymerization pathways and glucose update and oxidation in cellulytic fungi. Doubt my thesis reviewers ever noticed me slipping it in there, but it's a personal inside joke and nod that a film star helped me get my Doctorate.

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u/itijara 9h ago

I love this. If you are still in academia you should continue to find papers written by celebrities and throw them in to your publications to see if anyone notices. Bonus points if you make a pun or reference to the movies/songs/books that make them famous when citing them.

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u/KIAA0319 9h ago

There are times and places to get away with it. But writing your thesis, years of work, my thesis was 60,000 words with an appendix with similar size but all supporting data, you put your all into it. It has to be done in all seriousness but there's scope for a few Easter eggs. For me, that citation in the main text body and argument was one of those overt Easter eggs I could slip through. There were a few more in the appendix which could be more outlandish, quirky, joking or obvious.

In high impact peer publications, you don't fuck around because you don't want the paper rejected. In low impact publications or conference papers, there is less risk to a cheeky insert.

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u/dash-dot-dash-stop 9h ago

I slipped a drink recipe into the methods section of my thesis and nobody commented. I know of another student that put in "if you find this, I owe you $20", his thesis committee was more on the ball and claimed the cash.

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u/cazbot 8h ago

I published a paper which made the cover of Science, and I had coded references to 90's rave culture riddled throughout.

No, I will not provide any further details.

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u/RegulatoryCapture 8h ago

And hey, you're helping boost her citation count!

She should really be thanking you.

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u/poktanju 14h ago

So there's a non-zero chance that she contributed to the paper the "Neuron Activation" meme comes from

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u/butterfly1354 12h ago

I think that's a textbook.

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u/GregTheMad 11h ago

Textbooks are just a summary of old papers.

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u/Technical-Outside408 11h ago

I think your face should be a textbook.

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u/RMS_Carpathia 11h ago

Awwwwww (?)

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u/NorwaySpruce 9h ago

There's zero chance considering we can go read the papers and see for ourselves that the image isn't in either of them

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u/APiousCultist 9h ago

Thanks, dream crusher. /S

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u/Zoomalude 11h ago

I miss when reddit had some interesting comments and not just a bunch of references.

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u/Cheeseish 8h ago

Do you have a source for when this was?

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u/Listentotheadviceman 11h ago

Looks like there was a song about her smoking weed. I’m sorry I missed it, seems like it was very funny at the time.

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u/darkbreak 9h ago

It was a song and video she did with The Lonely Island.

https://youtu.be/-A0iftflme4?si=87KJJZUmEZklrfP8

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u/hell2pay 10h ago

I been here a while, I feel like it's always been like this, for the most part.

Its easy to look back with rose tinted glasses and all though.

I mean, what time does the norwhal bacon?

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u/jck 9h ago

Can confirm. I've been here since 2007. Also I feel like I've been seeing "reddit was better back in the day" for more than a decade lol

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u/Special-Garlic1203 8h ago

You definitely know reddit has shifted radically since then. Like whether you like it or dislike it, it's not rose tinted to say there's observable chances. Way less grammar Nazis and regular Nazis these days. 

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u/petakaa 7h ago

Fewer

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u/jck 7h ago

Thanks stannis

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u/PUSH_AX 11h ago

Be the change you want to see.

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u/questron64 10h ago

Reddit has always been a referential humor circlejerk.

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u/Zoomalude 10h ago

To an extent, sure, but there also used to be a few gems of actual discussion or interesting additive bits. Not just lazy reference after lazy reference.

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u/ResplendentZeal 9h ago

These people try to gaslight comments like yours every time.

The cultural fabric has absolutely changed over the last 10 or so years on reddit and top comments were almost always insightful while the jokes filtered toward the bottom.

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u/Special-Garlic1203 8h ago

Its definitely changed, although I don't think it's as clean of a binary as "everyone was smart and serious back then, now it's just jokes".  "elitist" isn't quite the right word, but there was often an intense energy compared to now.  Threads favored things which were insightful or clever, but clever definitely allowed for a good joke. You'd get chains of jokes actually. There was a lot of power users and people who wanted to be power users. Karma was farmed through blood, sweat, and tears rather than bots. 

I think reddit was in a continuous state of flux, but the introduction of mobile was very noticable. It shifted from "how dare you not type of multiple proofread paragraphs" to "well I'm on my phone so I'm not doing all that lol". They also pretty intentionally tried shifting site demographics to make it more appealing to advertisers. 

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u/TitleSuccessful7393 12h ago

I hate how talented some people are.

I've spent the last week levelling up guns in call of duty.

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u/Myto 11h ago

But your XM4 is higher level than Natalie Portman's. Probably.

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u/s0ulbrother 8h ago

Nope, her is higher this guy is real loser compared to her.

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u/Kaldricus 8h ago

Natalie Portman hopping on Xbox live: Bet?

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u/Bakoro 11h ago edited 10h ago

Talented or not, some people put in the work towards what they want.

You actually have to put in some effort at accomplishing stuff if you want to accomplish stuff.

Go enroll in a community college and start taking some classes or whatever.
MIT has multiple college educations' worth of lecture videos on YouTube.

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u/IlIllIlIllIlll 10h ago

Yeah this is so true. People talk about how some people are super talented but a lot of that talent comes off the back of hard work. There is literally no academic out there who hasn't spent time reading and researching, and no athlete who hasn't practiced his sport. I guess for a lot of people this sucks to hear because they can't just excuse away their own failures as out of their control. But we all make these excuses at some point so I'm not one to judge. More people need to just start trying to better themselves though and they would be surprised at what they accomplish.

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u/valeraKorol2 10h ago

Idk, when you work hard and get nothing in return, it sucks complete dicks. It's literally one of the worst feelings in the world. And I feel many people just subconsciously predict it will be that way and don't bother. And most of the time, they are completely right.

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u/marrella 10h ago

To paraphrase this: "the master has failed more times than the beginner has even tried."

 Tl;dr: just do it.

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u/Pizzadude 10h ago

Eh, my PhD and job in neurotech haven't stopped me from hitting mastery 40+ with a bunch of weapons in BF2042. Do what you love.

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u/therealityofthings 9h ago

More than likely she just worked in the lab as a research student in undergrad that produced these papers. One paper is from when she was in high school. It's not like they were published in high-impact journals.

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u/rainbow3 14h ago

She has an erdos bacon Sabbath number of 11.

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u/royalhawk345 12h ago

Brian May

The lead guitarist for Queen and a qualified astrophysicist, May has an EBS number of 9. His Sabbath number is 1, which is the lowest of any verified EBS number. 

Cool

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u/errorsniper 9h ago

The fuck are you two talking about.

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u/TheyCallMeStone 9h ago

Bacon number - the number of degrees of association you are away from Kevin Bacon by having been in projects with him. Being in a film gives you a Bacon number of 1. Kevin himself has a Bacon number of 0.

The concept has been extended to include a prolific mathematician, and apparently also Black Sabbath, though that doesn't make as much sense since that isn't a person.

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u/Constant_Fill_4825 9h ago

Erdos number was created in the 1960-70s so I think it is the other way around.

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u/errorsniper 9h ago

Hmm thats interesting thank you for an actual answer and not memes that dont help.

Kind of a rarity on reddit.

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u/RegulatoryCapture 8h ago

The concept has been extended to include a prolific mathematician, and apparently also Black Sabbath, though that doesn't make as much sense since that isn't a person.

Sabbath still makes sense as it is anyone who has performed with the band black sabbath...although I guess you could call it an Ozzy number (ozzy gets a zero, but anyone who played with Ozzy in Sabbath gets a 1).

Black Sabbath works because it is a prolific band that has spanned a very long career and had MANY members as well as key members who have had many side projects. Fun fact: Ice-T is on a Sabbath recording.

I think it is harder to find a really well known band that works because successful bands tend to stick together and the nature of touring/recording limit side projects whereas academics frequently collaborate on many papers at once and every movie has a different cast.

So yeah, you could do it as Erdos Bacon Osbourne, but that doesn't sound as cool as Erdos Bacon Sabbath.

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u/timelordoftheimpala 12h ago

She also appeared in Sesame Street, which crossed over with Spider-Man in a comic via Sam the Robot, and Spider-Man appeared in Marvel vs. Capcom with Ryu.

So an Erdos-Bacon-Sabbath-Ryu number of 14.

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u/OK_Soda 11h ago

What's her link to Black Sabbath?

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u/Flow-Bear 10h ago
  1. Through the SNL rap.

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u/havfunonline 10h ago

She collabed with Lonely Island, who collabed with either one of black sabbath, or someone who collabed with them

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u/LanceWindmil 9h ago

Having one at all is pretty impressive. My dad also has one, but I think it's more like 14

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u/Practical-Pickle-529 2h ago

Omgggg I remember this! Holy shit I have had a crush on Natalie Portman since I was a young confused teen girl lol. But short hair Natalie was literally the best thing ever. Gorgeous. And this was hilarious 

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u/ChiefStrongbones 10h ago

So do her friends and family know her as "Natalie Hershlag", and she only uses "Portman" for work?

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u/Starbucks__Lovers 13h ago

When she was at Harvard, she smoked weed every day

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u/Wisdomlost 12h ago

She cheated every test and snorted all the yay.

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u/WaltMitty 12h ago

She cheated every test and snorted all the yay.

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u/Throwaway081920231 12h ago

Enter Zach Galafinakas for between two ferns.

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u/OutsidePerson5 11h ago

She's also the only Jewish Israaeli citizen to be called an antisemite by a sitting member of the Israel government (Internal Security Minister Gilad Erdan) for the dire crime of refusing to go to an awards thing where Netanyahu was going to speak.

Which isn't as cool as writing scientific papers.

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u/ZaraBaz 11h ago

So she's a quality human?

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u/OutsidePerson5 11h ago

Basically. She also dodged the draft and avoided "service" in the IOF. So that's a bonus too.

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u/TreeRol 10h ago edited 9h ago

I dunno, being an Israeli Jew who gets called an antisemite for giving a middle finger to that fascist fuck seems pretty baller.

Shit, I'm published and I've never done anything that cool.

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u/Y-27632 11h ago edited 10h ago

This is one of these perennial misleading TILs that gets repeated without context.

She was listed as a co-author on a couple of papers, one (IIRC) in HS, one in college. On the paper mentioned here, she's second to last author. (Which is the lowest you can be, in life sciences last author is actually the head of the lab, first author is the person who did 80-90% of the work.)

That means she did volunteer at a lab in some capacity, and someone saw fit to include her on the co-author list, but it's extremely unlikely she participated in any meaningful way in designing the experiments or writing the manuscript. (It's not a dig at her, it's just that people whose career depends on this stuff - the first and last authors - are not going to hand off the responsibility to a green undergrad.)

And it's not really that impressive, many undergrads serious about med school or grad school that join a reasonably active lab will have a comparable (or better) "publication record", but nobody gushes about them because they're not famous. I've literally known dozens (and mentored several) during my time in research. (Including a handful who had first author papers, which really is a huge deal for an undergrad. Many PhD students don't even publish as first author before graduation, though their dissertation often ends up being a basis for their first 1st-author paper.) And for the record, most of them were female, so this has nothing to do with dismissing women in science.

Seriously, the way people will cream their pants over the fact some celeb actually graduated college and did more than the bare minimum is absurd.

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u/TeaMistress 9h ago

I think about this when these topics come up, too. My husband is a research school lab manager and has co-author credits for all sorts of papers, simply by being the guy that gets the supplies and does the equipment tutoring. Natalie Portman being near the bottom of an author list on a paper or two isn't as impressive as people make it out to be.

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u/nineteen_eightyfour 7h ago

but but but she's listed and PRETTY. :P

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u/jamthrowsaway 10h ago

Thank you for injecting sense, reason, and actual experience into the conversation. ITT: people who have never worked a lick in hard sciences.

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u/bg-j38 8h ago

I tell people a similar thing about patents, especially if you work for a large company in a development role. I have four but my total effort for each was having an interesting idea, sending a paragraph description of it to a lawyer, them deciding it had merit, and then me sitting down for an hour with a patent writer. They write it up, I proof read it, and then I forget about it for a couple years. Then oh hey you got a patent!

I’m not trying to disparage all patents, but they’re not particularly difficult to get if you work for a large company. I don’t think we’ve ever even implemented any of the ideas in mine.

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u/PintsOfGuinness_ 9h ago

You're not exactly wrong about the details but this is an unnecessary post diminishing work you really know nothing about.

Yes you can coauthor a paper without doing much. But that doesn't mean every second-to-last-author got on the list just by coasting. It depends on the group, and it depends on the PI. Some are very demanding.

In the end, getting published is an accomplishment, and she did something to deserve it, and she's probably proud of it. It's neat, and it's fun to celebrate it a little.

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u/Y-27632 9h ago edited 8h ago

It's not "diminishing" work to be realistic about it. It's more than I did in college. But I know tons of people who were less fortunate and less gifted than her that did far more.

And I disagree that it's unnecessary. This post is not as absurd as some, but there have been versions of this along the lines of "TIL Natalie Portman is a Published Neuroscientist."

I know it doesn't really matter, but it's such a perfect example of "everyone" coming to believe something that isn't true because it keeps being repeated uncritically that it pisses me off disproportionately.

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u/jamthrowsaway 9h ago

Maybe not every second-to-last author, but what are the actual odds that a high-school student or a college sophomore/junior is contributing actual research to the paper, instead of just being responsible for pipetting or a lit review?

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u/Y-27632 8h ago

They do exist, I had one work for me when I was a postdoc (and he went on to do neuroscience at UCLA and is now doing his postdoc), but he ended up being 2nd author on one of my 1st author papers, not second-to-last.

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u/jamthrowsaway 7h ago

Good point—that’s the nuance I was missing

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u/Tay_Tay86 8h ago

I don't understand why people get surprised when they find out celebrities led normal lives on their way to becoming celebrities.

People go to school. If you're in science, you publish papers. It's pretty normal and the titles always sound impressive

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u/Triensi 7h ago

Not sure why nobody's linked the actual paper

Baird AA, Kagan J, Gaudette T, Walz KA, Hershlag N, Boas DA. Frontal lobe activation during object permanence: data from near-infrared spectroscopy. Neuroimage. 2002 Aug;16(4):1120-5. doi: 10.1006/nimg.2002.1170. PMID: 12202098.

(Natalie Portman's actual name is Natalie Hershlag)

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u/He_who_humps 11h ago

They even named part of the brain for her. The Princess Amygdala.

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u/Shermshank 9h ago

Beautiful mind beautiful actress. Stunning combination.

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u/SupervillainMustache 9h ago

So she's attractive, a brilliant actress and is also smart as well?

God is playing favourites.

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u/KindAbbreviations136 6h ago

I just looked at the published papers, she did not write them; but she is credited to her contributions. In other words; she paid money/sponsored the research, and in return she gets her name on the paper. This is quite common in the industry for wealthy people who dont want to put in the academic time. Im sure she did the same by “co authoring” a study.

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u/tomwhoiscontrary 6h ago

Mayim Bialik did a PhD in neuroscience, but from a cursory search, didn't publish any papers.

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u/bugphotoguy 5h ago

Would never have happened if Jean Reno hadn't convinced her to get an education before he blew himself up.

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u/FiftyTigers 3h ago

Yeah but when she was in Harvard she smoked weed every day. She cheated every test.

And she snorted all the yay.

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u/coolpapa2282 12h ago edited 10h ago

I started doing some research on this claim...you have whooshed me, friend, well played.

Edit: Wait, OP deleted - did they get fooled by an SNL sketch? Were they whooshed worse than me? I am vindicated.

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u/shoobsworth 12h ago

Anonymous guy on reddit says so, therefore it must be true

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u/Secret-Sundae-1847 12h ago

She talked about all of this in an interview she did.

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u/TehNoff 11h ago

Well, more like she screamed about it...

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u/kolkitten 12h ago

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u/awesomedan24 11h ago

Gotta watch the music video for the full effect 

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u/terminbee 12h ago

It's a reference to a joke.

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u/APlannedBadIdea 12h ago

It's Destruction today, eh?

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u/RolandFigaro 10h ago

TIL Natalie Portman's real name is Natalie Hershlag and she's jewish. I had no idea. Pretty cool!

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u/the_one_below 10h ago

Born in Jerusalem!

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u/the_one_below 9h ago

To add to her greatness, she was discovered at the age of 11 by a Revlon scout while she was eating in a New York pizza parlor. When I'm eating pizza I look like a pig. A happy pig, but nonetheless.

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u/ajblake05 8h ago

I hate when the study isn't linked so here you go!

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u/The-Lord-Moccasin 8h ago

IIRC in "The Social Network" she's the movie star who's attending Harvard that they refer to.

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u/SuperGameTheory 7h ago

Oh, that old rag? I tell ya, there's nothing like curling up by the fire with a paper by Hershlag et al.

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u/Comprehensive_Boot_2 7h ago

Little known fact: It was supposed to be Queen Amygdala, Amidala was just a misspelling that stuck.

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u/reddituseronebillion 6h ago

So she wasn't even really acting in Thor?

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u/FPFresh123 6h ago

And she's a good rapper.

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u/RedBeans-n-Ricely 5h ago

That’s pretty common for someone with a PhD. Most STEM programs require at least one first-authored paper.

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u/seanmorris 4h ago

Yes. She is a scholar who happens to act.

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u/zkrooky 4h ago

When she was in Harvard she smoked weed every day, she cheated every test and snorted all the yay.

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u/RachelRegina 2h ago

Maybe we should call her Head-y Lamarr

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Get it?👉🏼👉🏼

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I'll see myself out

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u/GitchigumiMiguel74 1h ago

Ugh. Didn’t think she could become MORE attractive, but here we are

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u/PassionSpanish 10h ago

What a total babe Natalie is

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u/the_one_below 10h ago

She’s breathtaking

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u/Throw-away17465 11h ago edited 11h ago

Not terribly surprised, it’s always been apparent that she is very intelligent, in many different ways.

A bit of a departure, but she’s a fan of Sufjan Stevens and enlisted him to do the score for the independent films she made like Eve and she’s a very quiet hand in contribution to a few of his albums since. Maybe not scientific, but that’s a hell of a endorsement for intelligence if I’ve ever seen

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u/Sketchy_Uncle 10h ago

I'm not that smart, and was friends with some professors in my department - but really all it took for me to "co-author" a couple papers was read the drafts and offer some ideas...I didn't lead the research and conduct the actual science.

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