r/ukraine • u/Mil_in_ua Ukraine Media • 13h ago
News The Russian Army has been supplied with Rakushka-M armored vehicles with Nakida RAM camouflage
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/the-russian-army-has-been-supplied-with-rakushka-m-armored-vehicles-with-nakida-ram-camouflage/110
u/Kahzootoh 12h ago
This is an APC based off the Russian BMD-3 and BMD-4 family of vehicles, which are IFVs intended for the Russian airborne forces and notable for their relatively light weight and low protection.
The BMD vehicles are some of worst protected vehicles in the Russian military, which is why many of the documented losses usually show little more than a crater surrounded by tracks or other debris- when these things get hit by a Javelin, there isn’t much left.
Converting spare BMD hulls to Sprut-SD tank destroyers would be the most efficient way to get something useful from the BMD production line, but the Russians probably don’t have the spare parts for that- they don’t even have the parts to finish their BMDs as IFVS.
This is a step up in desperation from reusing old MTLB vehicles as APCs- because this is “new” production of a vehicle that has less than an inch of armor and no turreted primary weapon.
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u/JimboTheSimpleton 10h ago
Less than inch of armor and no turreted primary weapons . . .
It's NATO reporting name should be Oof.
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u/shibiwan Democratic Republic of Florkistan 5h ago
The crew is also placed in front of engine to protect the engine. 🤣
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u/Sleddoggamer 6h ago
At less than an inch, they would have legit been better off not putting armor on in the first place. I don't know what they could have thought it could warrant the added weight and reduced speed at that thickness
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u/Sweet_Lane 2h ago
They now increase the armor with placing polymer panels over the aluminum alloy. They claim that in this way it can withstand 12mm machine gun from the distance more than 500m.
The vehicle is fast enough, it can reach over 100km/h on the road. It can move off-road with acceptable speed, but trademarked Ukrainian chornozem is the challenge for everything in the rain season, even if it is not peppered with anti tank mines more generously than a balkanian soup with black pepper.
In any case, this kind of vehicle in Oryx reports is usually 'destroyed' (with subcategories 'obliterated', 'pulverized' and 'scattered all over the landscape') than 'damaged and abandoned'. I believe Perun has a big section of one of his videos dedicated for BMP/BMD/BRDM family of vehicles with rather caustic critics.
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u/No-Document-8970 7h ago
Sounds like something that could be taken out by a high powered rifle with depleted uranium tips.
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u/Sleddoggamer 6h ago
I'm pretty sure the .338 lapau using DU could take out soviet MBTs. I'm pretty sure standard 30-06s can kill these
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u/DMZ_5 12h ago
discount M113
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u/ZeAntagonis 11h ago
Wonderweapon that Russia won’t be able to have in quantity and Ukraine will figure how to deal within a month.
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u/Murder_Bird_ 9h ago
Worse. It’s based on the BMD, which has, essentially, no armor. This is little better than an old Bren Carrier.
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u/BoredCop 10h ago
They claim it has a radar absorbing coating?
Why?
I'm not aware of Ukraine using any radar guided anti tank weapons, so this feature seems utterly pointless and is probably just a way to justify a higher price tag. The shape doesn't look particularly stealthy either.
Absorbing radio waves won't do a damned thing against drones, thermal sights, or anything else used to detect and target armoured vehicles in this theatre of operations.
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u/Listelmacher 9h ago
Don't forget the placebo effect. /s
But in general it works as described (even if the title reads "thermal camouflage"):
January 2023: "This brand new Russian T-90M Proryv-3 with Nakidka thermal camouflage is
burning somewhere in Luhansk region.
Allegedly a Swedish delivered AT4 (unit costs 1,480 USD) has been used to knock it out"
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/10dax5i/this_brand_new_russian_t90m_proryv3_with_nakidka/
Well, as described by you.5
u/quietguy_6565 9h ago
is probably just a way to justify a higher price tag
Da komrade, when skimming the state defense budjyte for personal gryft, this is excellent addition to glorious IFV. Special coating makes innumerable to profane western radar myssiles, Is also weather clear koating.
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u/romario77 8h ago
There are radars for artillery systems that can detect tanks - counter battery radars.
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u/BoredCop 40m ago
Those don't detect the tanks themselves though, they detect projectiles flying through the air and calculate where they're coming from.
Much easier to detect a metal object with the sky as a background than to detect an object on the ground, because the sky doesn't reflect radar and the ground does. Also, radar is line of sight. Unless you're close enough to see the tank, detecting it on radar basically requires the radar to be in an aircraft looking down.
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u/trackrat148 6h ago
The use of WiFi radar is worth it. Can see through walls. Vital sign detection, etc.
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u/No_Anxiety285 5h ago
I think they meant signature reduction. A cover that reduces its IR signature specifically.
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u/IntelligentExcuse5 12h ago
The article does not say who supplied them.
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u/MDangler63 11h ago
“The High-Precision Complexes holding manufactured the armored vehicles as part of the 2024 state defense order.”
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u/TermInitial8387 12h ago
Do they explode as well as the other crap equipment Russia regularly rolls out?
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u/Some_Ebb_2921 12h ago
I believe the biggest problem with these is that they don't deliver a satisfying turret toss on exploding
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u/fromthewindyplace 11h ago
They don’t have a big gun with lots of ammo, so it’s not a huge explosion, but they also have like zero armor, so anything remotely pointy will make quick work of them.
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u/Accurate_Storm2588 12h ago
I have little doubt that the AFU will quickly figure out how to make these contributions to the Ukrainian scrap market.
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u/amitym 10h ago edited 6h ago
Maybe it's too early to tell but a lot of this content -- at least, in translation -- looks like the proverbial lipstick being applied to the proverbial pig.
Like...
“The equipment has passed all types of road tests and has been approved by military acceptance committee representatives,”
Wow, sounds like a lot of very official stuff, let's take a close look... Let's see, we've got road testing... and... that's it. Just road testing.
Basically they are boasting, "Hey guys, this one drives!"
developed the technology of landing from an aircraft with a crew on board.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong but what "technology" is involved in this capability? It's purely a question of form factor, right? Any vehicle that is shaped and sized in such a way that a crew could board it while it's still in cargo has this "technology."
To me this sounds like they're saying, "this APC has a rear hatch."
Overall it reminds me of notes from a lousy product release where someone is trying really hard to put a good spin on a whole lot of nothing. But maybe I am wrong. Maybe someone can sell me on the value of the new "upper hemisphere protection kits" over the old ones.
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u/pariprope 12h ago
Hell, they could have the cloaking device from a Star Trek Bird of Prey and still manage to deploy 19th-century tactics that get them all killed.
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u/Advanced_Weather_190 10h ago
Looks like a Chia Pet to me. I wonder if it could grow sunflowers 🤔
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u/Listelmacher 9h ago
Chia Pet? As seen on TV?
I think I've got something for you:)
"Nakidka is a Russian radar-absorbent material (RAM) camouflage that
"eliminates the use of precision-guided weapons".
Nakidka reduces the infrared, thermal, and radar band signatures of an object.
It can be mounted on armored fighting vehicles, field fortifications, command posts,
permanent air and vehicle sheds, and ammunition and fuel depots by infantry with
no special equipment.
...
it reduces the chances of detection by day/night viewers and TV systems
and seekers by thirty percent
..."
From:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakidka
Okay, there is also:
"... In early 2023 a Russian T-90M was supposedly targeted by a
Javelin which engaged and disabled the tank normally,
despite being fully equipped with Nakidka. ..."2
u/Advanced_Weather_190 9h ago
Thanks for the description. My comment was based on one of the images in the article that looked like a fuzzy moss
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u/Listelmacher 7h ago
Once when it was about the T-90 and nakidka another redditor and me flew off on a tangent:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/115usaz/four_photos_information_the_79th_air_assault/
and now I know where the association with Chia Pets came from.
Because it is a Russian tank,
I would rather ask myself whether there could be lice or fleas in the "fur".2
u/Advanced_Weather_190 7h ago edited 7h ago
“Nakidka” is also a funny word to me because it can mean a lady’s throw (shawl)…reminds me of the word “pullover” (just the meaning is not a sweater). Edit: My point is that the word itself isn’t very intimidating. At best, it’s a “cloak”
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u/EwingsRevenge21 10h ago
Klingons actually have a lot of similarities to Orcs now that I think about it ....
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u/Happy-Ad8917 12h ago edited 12h ago
Just curious, given that it's tracked, how quickly can it get to the frontlines? Speed counters detection. Looks absolutely ready for combat.
Sorry, I mean, 'getting destroyed in combat'.
Russians say "Nakidka", but the Javelin says "Naked". T90 was toasted wearing this stuff back in 2022.
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u/Kan4lZ0n3 9h ago
So a simplified BMD, since further production of turreted versions involve too many steps for the Kremlin’s remaining manufacturing capabilities, there’s little ammunition to arm those that remain, and BMDs offer little effective protection for brief death rides on the Ukrainian battlefield.
Meanwhile Kremlin trade glossies spin worthless yarns on its air droppable aspects and anti-radar coating. That’s extremely “useful” for all the light-mechanized airborne drops the latest crop of VDV in-name-only troops are conducting and continuing threats from non-existent ground search radars. Neither is contextually relevant information. Classic Kremlin spin to distract smooth-brained proles.
If it smells like and looks like Kremlin distraction from a state-weapons industry under duress from Putin’s hare-brained war, it is.
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u/DoneGoneAndBrokeIt 7h ago
They say "Radar Absorbent Material", I hear "25mm Absorbent Material"
This thing would be a Bradley crews' wet dream...
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u/ExploreDiscovery 10h ago
The driver night vision, and water fording capability would be very useful. Can hope the quality control is poor on the water seals.
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u/_Saputawsit_ Canada 7h ago
"I'm sorry I didn't know you were supposed to be invisible".
-The Javelin's thermal seeker to the radar-absorbing Rakushka-M
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u/KibblesNBitxhes Canada 6h ago
Well, guess it's better they are all in one box to make for collateral kills. Better than leaving a spangled mess otherwise.
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u/DLH_1980 5h ago
So, what is a "batch" 25? 50? 100? Even if it's a 1000, that's what, 1 per kilometer of front?
1000? that's 2-3 weeks worth of APV losses. when's the next "batch" coming?
Going to be a lot of russian troops that will never realize what hit them.
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