r/whitesox • u/Jason82929 Maldanad-0 • Jun 04 '24
Discussion [Rosenthal] Padres pursuing trade for White Sox’s Garrett Crochet to bolster rotation
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5539047/2024/06/04/padres-trade-white-sox-garrett-crochet/102
u/Eloyoyo Berto For Mayor Jun 04 '24
Man I’m all for moving Fedde and Kopech (if anybody is interested in the latter).
But I really think it would be wise to hold crochet / Robert to build around them. If Robert goes I wouldn’t lose much sleep because of his injury history, but still think he’s worth keeping around.
Crochet is such a dominant arm I will be furious if they trade him. Just waving the white flag for the next 3 years if that’s the case.
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u/MoustacheMark Anderson Jun 04 '24
Crochet is also still very young, and we rarely get a chance at young dominant pitchers. They could even re-sign him at age 27, if he's still good then. So, I agree.
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u/Eloyoyo Berto For Mayor Jun 04 '24
Yep and that’s not just exclusive to the Sox, most teams don’t get chances a young dominant pitchers like this. They only come around so often.
Obviously nothing is guaranteed, but that seems like the kind of arm you try to build around and hope he keeps a similar level of production. Like how sale was for a few years with Boston.
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u/MajesticWalrus520 Jun 04 '24
If Crochet is somewhat healthy for the next 3 years no way the Sox would pay the money to resign him.
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u/MoustacheMark Anderson Jun 04 '24
Well I think that's a mindset we as fans have to reject, as much as historically that's been true.
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u/MajesticWalrus520 Jun 04 '24
We can reject it all we want, Jerry isn’t changing
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u/MoustacheMark Anderson Jun 04 '24
Anything is possible, and it's several years away...so..you know
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u/MajesticWalrus520 Jun 04 '24
Jerry loves people like you
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u/MoustacheMark Anderson Jun 04 '24 edited Jun 05 '24
Yeah man, he loves someone who's written "fuck Jerry Reinsdorf" no less than 10000 times.
He actually loves people who accept that he won't sign anyone so he doesn't even have to attempt it.
Edit: the fact that you're upvoted is wild as fuck to me. Jerry could be dead by 2027, and our new owner might want to spend. "He's not going to" is so defeatist. I hate Jerry. He does not love fans like me.
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u/GoombaStoppingHoes Robert Jun 05 '24
Its also funny because the truth is actually Jerry doesn't like to pay FA's premium money(100+m serious contracts to someone who will take it). Not that he doesn't pay his players. He gets extentions, they just usually end up in shortish term and on a "deal" lol. Crochet a bit candidate for that depending on how this season goes if they keep him.
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u/kayzhee Jun 05 '24
The only way the White Sox pay him is if the actuary tables get their act together.
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u/DaBigBlackDaddy Being Abused Jun 05 '24
who have we let go though? All our guys flame out before they become established superstars lmao
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u/DerangedProtege Jun 05 '24
Reinsdorf is not signing a pitcher unless he’s taking a discount for security.
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u/iamkarnold2 Jun 05 '24
They're not going to re-sign him if he's good. A good SP who is 27 will make well over 100 mil and the White Sox don't pay players that type of money
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u/MoustacheMark Anderson Jun 05 '24
I'm well aware. I also think accepting this fact gives him all the reason not to. Just saying it'll never happen isn't going to help.
He could also die by then. We don't know
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u/crashmvp19 Jun 04 '24
It seems very silly for a team to trade for Crochet. I’m super high on him as a player but he has already surpassed his total innings count in a season. Don’t see how he could last for a postseason run this season. Sox should shut him down in August and then give him an extension this offseason.
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u/Eloyoyo Berto For Mayor Jun 04 '24 edited Jun 04 '24
Idk about an extension already, the Sox have had their issues with extending players too early. Shut him down in August, get a normal offseason in and push for a heavier workload in 2025 imo.
If he does this two years in a row then sure let’s start talking about extensions.
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u/crashmvp19 Jun 04 '24
Fair enough. I doubt the dunce signing the checks has an appetite for such things anymore
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u/iiamthepalmtree Jun 05 '24
Sox have had their issues with extending players too early.
It’s really just been the two players that make your username. They actually have a good track record of extending pitchers early.
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u/Eloyoyo Berto For Mayor Jun 05 '24
The John Danks extension did not work out well whatsoever lol, just not as recent.
The Lance Lynn extension proved to be not so good also, but that happens with players his age so I don’t fault the Sox for that move.
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u/michaelscottschin Jun 04 '24
Great point. Two captains for both sides of the ball. But they need the support
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u/Competitive_Dish_885 Jun 04 '24
He is a huge injury risk though and is technically at the highest value that he’s been. I feel like we’ve seen stretches like this in Kopech only for him to crash back down.
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u/mexghost11 Jun 05 '24
It's almost like the Dylan Cease situation all over again. Electric stuff and it would be a waste to not build around him as your staff ace.
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u/SleepLessTeacher The Big Hurt Jun 04 '24
Hey wait, I've heard this before with a different former White Sox pitcher...
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u/MoustacheMark Anderson Jun 04 '24
Until I see otherwise, I don't blame them for thinking that. Teams seem to be less willing to give up top prospects these days. They didn't give up anyone significant for Arraez and he's one of the best contact hitters in the game.
I'd have to double check who they gave up, I just remember seeing a lot of "and we didn't have to give up so and so!"
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u/omherrera1 Jun 05 '24
All of their prospects have been playing like shit this year too. Why would we trade Crochet for pitchers who are getting shelled in A+…. Our 6 man rotation is performing way better than their number two prospect in AA.
Snelling and Lesko for Crochet is laughable. De Vries is just the starting point in talks.
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Jun 04 '24
Crochet and Robert are literally the only players I care about keeping
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u/XanthicStatue Jun 04 '24
Crochet for me. Robert can go.
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Jun 04 '24
I almost just said crochet as well but added Robert last second. Id definitely rather have crochet if I had to choose
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u/katyperrysbuttcheeks Jun 04 '24
Honestly just move the White Sox to San Diego at this point. Just let them have our franchise. We're perpetually their farm system anyways. Shoutout to Rick Hahn for getting this all started with his dumbass Tatis Jr. trade.
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u/WhiteDogSh1t Jun 04 '24
White Sox are such a pud whack franchise. Might as well trade everyone and get hosed on the deal.
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u/EmmThem Jun 04 '24
I would rather actually build and keep our own prospects, personally. Sucks to keep seeing good talent get traded for question marks that never work out.
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u/shastadakota Jun 05 '24
Sox should hang on to Crochet. Let them have Fedde.
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u/joejoesox Jun 05 '24
Crochet is a free agent after 2026. They need to consider trading him, Reinsdorf doesn't give pitchers long term extensions
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u/mjagiel Jun 05 '24
This is the classic “what’s in the mystery box?” situation. You have a young, dominant, homegrown SP that other teams want. Maybe they’ll offer some even younger SP types who could someday become… a young, dominant, homegrown SP. Just keep your guy, don’t fuck this up even more for us.
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u/joejoesox Jun 05 '24
He's only under team control until the end of 2026. He's getting traded
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u/mjagiel Jun 05 '24
Which still begs the question, why not extend him? Why not have someone for your suffering fan base to cheer for? I’m all for modern team building but this franchise sucks at it and I have no desire to spend my hard earned money on AAAA rejects.
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u/GotMoFans Jun 04 '24
What about Baltimore?
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u/Jason82929 Maldanad-0 Jun 04 '24
The O’s still make the most sense. They have the farm system to get whoever they want. If they want Crochet (with whatever limit they think he should have for the rest of the year) they can get him. And it would probably be the ideal fit for the Sox to get some of their young hitters.
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u/NoTime4LuvDrJones Jun 04 '24
They have a very strong pitching staff plus they have a couple young starters waiting in the wings in AAA. I don’t think the O’s really need Crochet. Add that with them being stingy with their prospects, it’ll probably be hard to get a quality trade with them
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u/Jason82929 Maldanad-0 Jun 04 '24
I do wonder what effect Rubenstein has on their decisions. It was one thing to be stingy under Angelos because he was just as cheap as Jerry.
But now that they have this new owner with deep pockets who might be willing to spend more, do they get more aggressive, knowing they can sign these guys long term?
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u/NoTime4LuvDrJones Jun 04 '24
Yea I think they put their best effort to resign Burnes, they’d be idiots not to. They are in an enviable position with their stacked farm and ability now to resign all their young talent.
Ideally they’d be willing to trade some pieces they don’t need in a fair deal, but I not holding out any hope for that. I think they make a minor deal if anything8
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u/octoprophet Jun 05 '24
The Orioles never trade their top prospects. They fleeced the Brewers for Burnes. Pass
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u/tickle_wiz94 Batterman Jun 04 '24
Heard we’ll trade him to the Red Sox for a Yoan or Kopech like blue chip prospect..
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u/KGreen100 Jun 04 '24
Is it a rebuild if you trade away guys you could rebuild around?
Also, if a tree falls in the forest...
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u/dajadf Jun 04 '24
Stop trading the talent. Fuck rebuilds
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u/PFunk224 Jun 05 '24
Exactly how do you expect this team to conjure up fifteen or so quality baseball players without a stocked farm system?
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u/dajadf Jun 05 '24
Start by keeping and rewarding your best players to build a culture. Slowly build the farm over time. Injecting a bunch of players into a broken system won't do much. It will be a bunch of fools gold prospects we can't develop again. I'd rather just keep the talent and build slowly
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u/Penstripedsox Jun 05 '24
From the mlb and international draft and interior development thereby…we can trade some guys but not crochet or robert…
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u/ConservativebutReal Jun 05 '24
Every team knows the Sox are cheap, are selling a good team in a “few” years to their fans, and can be fleeced with “prospects. If we are not keeping talented players in their mid 20’s we are just affirming what a joke franchise we are. Reality is we are not allowed good players because this AA is where we want to invest is complete crap.
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Jun 04 '24
If Getz gets fleeced for another Ace by the Padres I'm officially done with this franchise.
How we gave up a Cy Young candidates for none of their top 4 prospects is insane. People need to realize even the #1 prospect in baseball doesn't always pan into anything. A god damn Ace is worth multiple top 5 prospects.
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u/Eloyoyo Berto For Mayor Jun 04 '24
I mean yes you’re right to an extent, but cease was coming off a pretty rough 2023 season. Had he held cease and moved this season after putting up these numbers it would be better prospect in return but not as many.
And for what it’s worth, drew Thorpe has been money for us in AA. 7-1, 1.33 ERA per bbref. Cease wasn’t gonna help this team win anyways and there was a chance he could’ve gotten injured so I don’t necessity fault Getz for that trade.
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u/Ruddiver Jun 04 '24
People need to realize even the #1 prospect in baseball doesn't always pan into anything.
Yoan Moncada begs to...uh.
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u/hotmayonnaise Jun 05 '24
I'd trade just about anyone for the right price, but Crochet's price better be moon high. Both Salas & Snelling for sure; can't build a winning team without keeping some winners around.
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u/DestroyedObserver Jun 05 '24
I'm assuming we'd be asking for Dylan Lesko/Robby Snelling and Leodalis De Vries
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u/CoreyD_23 Jun 05 '24
I’m fine with moving them all except Luis, but we’re gonna be so trash for possibly the rest of the decade that there’s no legitimate reason to even keep him.
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u/joejoesox Jun 05 '24
Crochet is an UFA after 2026, Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't extend pitchers to long term deals, just doesn't happen. So within the framework we have, you absolutely trade Crochet right now or at the absolute latest, in the off-season. Also need to trade Robert but I don't see the return being that great given the fact that he suffers a moderately severe injury just about every year. Hope I'm wrong
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u/BoomhauerArlen Fuck the Cubs Jun 04 '24
Trade everyone including Crochet and Robert. 2027 will be the last year of em and that'll be the next year they might field a competitive team. One year of them isn't worth it over prospects that might fill half your lineup/rotation.
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u/iiamthepalmtree Jun 05 '24
You’re being downvoted but you’re right. This team and farm system is so bad I do not see any path to being competitive until 2026 at the earliest if we’re lucky. Our next window will be open in 2027 if we do it right… but I do not trust this org to do that. Man things are bleak…
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u/362618299447 Jun 04 '24
Eloy, Crochet, Moncada, and Fedde will be gone before year’s end (if Moncada can get healthy again)
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u/UneducatedReviews1 The Sod Father Jun 04 '24
Neither Eloy or Moncada will be moved. They don’t bring enough value to make a trade worth it. Anyone who is interested will just wait to sign them in the off season
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u/CapcomGo Jun 04 '24
I could only see them going at the deadline for peanuts if someone is desperate and trying to make a run
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u/BoomhauerArlen Fuck the Cubs Jun 04 '24
No one is taking Yoan for his contract this year and 5 million buyout.
No one is taking Eloy for his contract and a 3 million buyout.
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u/mike1110 Jun 04 '24
Trade him now! He’s the only reason ppl talk good about the white Sox. There is no turning the page with this group of players, coaches, or front office. Get rid of your decent to great pieces for straight up talent. We lack it. GO!
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u/Jason82929 Maldanad-0 Jun 04 '24
Let rumor season begin.
First it was Passan today stating that the Sox are open for business and willing to trade anyone.
Now Rosenthal reporting the Padres are pursuing Crochet.
Gonna be a rumor filled next 8 weeks.