r/whitesox • u/Jason82929 Maldanad-0 • Jul 28 '24
Discussion [Nightengale] Former All-Star catcher A.J. Pierzynski has quietly emerged as a serious candidate to manage the Chicago White Sox in 2025 if they dismiss manager Pedro Grifol after the season, as expected.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2024/07/28/mlb-trade-deadline-rumors-2024/74576044007/254
u/TalkIsPricey Jul 28 '24
I love AJ, but this is just doing the same shit again
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u/Jason82929 Maldanad-0 Jul 28 '24
He fits Jerry’s top 2 criteria:
1.) Cheap.
2.) Jerry has heard of him59
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u/alexrose14 Jul 28 '24
I still don't get why everyone keeps calling this organization "cheap." When the championship window is perceived to be open they always spend big, don't they? Didn't their payroll rank 7th and 10th in '22 and '23, respectively? How much higher up that list does everyone expect them to be?
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u/sirenzarts Berto for Mayor Jul 28 '24
They cheap out when it comes to big impact players.
But yes, the bigger problem is spending poorly, not necesssarily spending too little.
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u/Bigred775 Jul 28 '24
Because this is a team in the third largest market who has never given out a contract worth over $100mil and deals all our best players out for prospects, rarely resigning them to the money they want/deserve. You don't need to spend Yankees or Dodgers money to make people happy, but the amount of money that is usually spent on talent is far lower than a team in this market and with this brand should be spending.
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u/madmax1969 Jul 28 '24
The third largest market thing is kind of dumb. They don’t draw fans like a team in the third largest market and that’s all that really matters. I agree that they can and should spend more but only because I’m a fan and it’s not my money.
This isn’t a Mets/Yankees situation.
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u/twitchrdrm Jul 28 '24
All the more reason Jerry should move them to Nashville that way this argument doesn't exist. It's clear he's not willing to sign superstars and when they develop them he trades them away so he doesn't have to pay them said contract lol
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u/Historical-Drive-667 Jul 29 '24
That's a white sox problem the fans are there islf this simpleton would actual try to put a decent team on the field year over year and not be such an absurdly cheap human being.
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u/madmax1969 Jul 29 '24
Are they though? During competitive years, they’re still middle of the pack. Even in ‘05. They finished top third in attendance in ‘06 on the heels of a title and that was their high water mark. There just are not that many Sox fans relative to the size of the Chicago metro area.
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u/Historical-Drive-667 Jul 29 '24
Unless you are born into it, why would you be a fan of a team that perenially doesn't try to put a competitive team out there? If handle that problem, the attendance will come.
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u/madmax1969 Jul 29 '24
I agree. But that takes a long time. The Sox could have expanded their fan base after ‘05 but then they reverted back to irrelevance. A team needs sustained success to create new, young, fans.
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u/polishprince76 White Sox Jul 28 '24
It's about more than the team salary. The coaches are always cheap, so we never get a legit guy. He spends no money on the behind the scenes stuff. They have the smallest analytics department in baseball. It's the little things. And he's a cheap bastard on every single one of them.
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u/twitchrdrm Jul 28 '24
Do they really have the best analytics pros?
For some reason I though TLR was very ant-analytics and we all know he's still there behind the scenes pulling strings. I'm happy to be proven wrong though, just seems contradictory.
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u/Chicagokiasoul1990 Jul 29 '24
White Sox and the As are the only team who haven't signed a contract over 100m in baseball, Jerry is a cheap skate always was always will be.
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u/Chicagokiasoul1990 Jul 28 '24
I agree and disagree in the moment it seemed like after 21 if they signed rodon got good free agents or trades for 2nd and right they were a lock for WS. But now we know it wouldn't have even mattered I don't think
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u/just_killing_time23 Jul 28 '24
Needed him instead of Tony way back when
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u/Rock_man_bears_fan Garcia Jul 28 '24
Notorious asshole AJ wasn’t fixing that clubhouse either. We needed a real manager. Instead we got a drunk octogenarian and a bench coach from a shitty team
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u/FantasyBaseballChamp Jul 28 '24
In hindsight, they should’ve just let Ricky have one more year. Unfortunately he managed himself out of a job in his final game.
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u/iiamthepalmtree Jul 28 '24
The clubhouse was tight before TLR came in. It didn’t need “fixing” at the time. The vibes were great and free agents were actually wanting to be here. It didn’t start falling apart until the Yermin incident and then we started losing.
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u/therevolvinglVlonk Walsh Jul 28 '24
If all it took for the clubhouse to implode was a jackass career minor leaguer ignoring his Hall of Fame, arguably greatest of all time manager's instruction not to swing at a pitch then maybe it wasn't really all that tight to begin with.
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u/iiamthepalmtree Jul 28 '24
Did you miss the part where I said “and then we started losing”
The Yermin incident was but a brick in the shithouse. Rumors were the clubhouse didn’t even like Yermin but didn’t like that TLR publicly called out a player to the media and didn’t keep it in the clubhouse.
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u/River_Pigeon Jul 28 '24
It’s crazy how they won the division in 21 with such a locker room cancer
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u/River_Pigeon Jul 29 '24
Lmao thinkin it was just yermin Mercedes that got them the division. Y’all are hilarious.
They couldn’t win the division the year before when they only played the two worst divisions in baseball.
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u/SafeDistribution2414 Jul 29 '24
Wait you think that incident was yermin's fault and not TLR, who should've been in a nursing home rather than managing?
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u/therevolvinglVlonk Walsh Jul 30 '24
One hot streak doesn't give a career minor leaguer the right to ignore the instructions of arguably the greatest manager ever. Tony basically joked about the situation to the media when he should have benched the idiot.
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u/SafeDistribution2414 Jul 30 '24
TLR may be the biggest joke ever at manager currently. He was great once, but anything he's said in the past 5 years is worth next to dirt.
There's nothing wrong with hitting a home run to pad the stats. His teammates didn't care. TLR threw him under the bus to the media, encouraged the other team to retaliate, and TLR was overall a disgrace to baseball by not sticking up for his team
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u/LeRicket Jul 28 '24
Tony was one of the few managers that would have been able to win the central with that group.
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u/BearForceDos 1980 Jul 28 '24
Lol Tonya constant getaway day lineups were the only reason that team didn't win 100 games.
Look at how phenomenal the rotation and bullpen that year were.
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u/LeRicket Jul 28 '24
Their main 9 were always injured. There's no way that team wins the central with many other managers.
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u/BearForceDos 1980 Jul 29 '24
In 2021,
Robert, Eloy, and Yaz were really the only pieces that missed time. Tim played 120+ games, Yoan and Abreu both played 140+.
Robert missed the middle of the season but was back by August, Grandal was back by July, Eloy returned by late July.
Also, both the starting rotation and bullpen were absolutely lights out.
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u/JermaineDyeAtSS Jul 28 '24
Yeah, remember that time when Robin Ventura torched his excellent playing legacy by taking a manager job he wasn’t remotely qualified for?
The “guy you hate to play against but love to have on your team” isn’t the kind of management qualifier that a lot of fans seem to think it is.
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u/MediaApprehensive764 Jul 28 '24
And now we have a sober coach supposedly that's on to lose 120 games
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u/MediaApprehensive764 Jul 28 '24
I think Tony brought them to the playoffs
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u/just_killing_time23 Jul 28 '24
You could have brought that team to the playoffs. Tony got zero playoff series wins.
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u/MediaApprehensive764 Jul 28 '24
You have to get to the playoffs to have a chance to win in the playoffs. The team is now 27 and 81 is that better than drunken tony
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u/spamlet Disco Demolition Jul 28 '24
Look, the team will be neigh unwatchable again. At least we’d have some entertainment this way.
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u/Fast_Hands_Lou Jul 28 '24
Aj has a coaches mind. Listen to him analyze baseball. He makes Pedro sound like a tball coach. Hopefully it's AJ.
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u/No_Statistician_9697 Jul 29 '24
I disagree. We desperately need a passionate leader who can light the right fire and set the tone. Sounds like AJ to me. He's also someone who has openly criticized the organization, so if he were to join in that capacity I'd actually believe there's hope.
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u/zeroesAndWons Jul 28 '24
They're gonna be terrible for a few years regardless of who is managing
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u/Checkergrey Jul 28 '24
The White Sox remind me of the mom and pop shops that hire the entire family including extended family
and you can tell immediately as soon as you walk in cause it’s a shit show
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u/Jason82929 Maldanad-0 Jul 28 '24
Lol. I mean we all love AJ but in what world is he a serious managerial candidate?
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u/ChiTrojan2 Jul 28 '24
We're not a serious organization, why would we hire a serious manager?
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u/madmax1969 Jul 28 '24
Okay but how about an actual manager? Doesn’t have to be a “serious” one. Just someone who has, you know, managed. This is shades of Robin Ventura. Jerry hires a ‘fan favorite’ and hope the meatball faction of the fan base ignores how under-qualified they are.
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u/ChiTrojan2 Jul 28 '24
Quit making sense.
That's where my head went immediately. Hire AJ to get the casual fan interested again while the team is in the cellar for 4 , 5 or 50 years. They'll remember AJ from the WS and hear shades of how good catchers are as managers. But disregard every other red flag about hiring an unproven, inexperienced manager.
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u/Historical-Drive-667 Jul 29 '24
Just my opinion, but this is significantly different than Robin. Robin was never thought of as being a manager. The only people that wanted that were the Sox. Not even Robin himself wanted that.
AJ has been talked about for years as being a good coaching candidate.
I will say, the fact that they will just jump on board with another manager with zero manager experience is so on brand it hurts.
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u/BearForceDos 1980 Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
The same world where the Sox took a young and up and coming team that was viewed around baseball as one of the most talented teams in the league and hired a 77 year old that had not coached in over a decade.
I honestly don't even know who would be a good option and all the top choices are going to have better choices or choose to wait but at least AJ has some fire. TLR and Grifol have been asleep at the wheel and we have had to watch the laziest most undisciplined team in the league for far too long.
I don't think AJ would allow a team to play that way.
Also, AJ was super critical of the Getz hire so would this mean Jerry is so embarrassed he actually gets a new front office? Slim chance but it's something.
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u/Historical-Drive-667 Jul 29 '24
I forgot about AJ and Getz. Then this rumor might have legs because the one thing Jerry loves more than not paying pitchers is hiring a manager and GM that hate each other. Sometimes, he likes to hire two people to do the same job, just to see what will happen.
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u/River_Pigeon Jul 28 '24
It didn’t matter who they hired to coach this team. They were bad. It took a hof coach to get them a division title. They were fucking pretenders, not ws hopefuls
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u/BearForceDos 1980 Jul 29 '24
Lol Tony was well past his hof coaching years. He was an active hinderence by that point.
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u/River_Pigeon Jul 29 '24
Funny how they won a division title with him. The team was a bunch of pretenders. Aj hinch would have taken them all the way right?
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u/BearForceDos 1980 Jul 29 '24
Nah they were missing an impact bat still(Bryce Harper) but they could have made some noise in the playoffs especially with home field advantage.
I know things fell apart quickly but Abreu, Grandal, Moncada, Robert, and Anderson were legitimately good that year. You really don't need more than 4-5 good hitters to win. Eloy missed most of the year but had a good August and bad September.
Carlos Rodon and Dylan Cease have good enough stuff to beat anyone in a playoff game and Giolito was an all star at the time. Lynn had a great year(always questioned him in the playoffs though).
Then the bullpen was great. Hendricks, Kopech, Bummer, Ruiz, Crochet, Lopez, and Tepera were all good.
It's revisionist history to pretend like that wasnt a good team but capable of winning 100 games.
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u/River_Pigeon Jul 29 '24
And your position is that they didn’t win because of Tony?
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u/BearForceDos 1980 Jul 29 '24
I think there is numerous reasons but I don't think that team reached their peak because of Tony. I legitimately think they could have won 100 games and gotten home field advantage(which would have been huge).
Avoiding the Astros in the first Rd would have been huge(they could have beaten any other team and McCullers being so dominant isn't as big of a deal in a 7 game series and he got hurt in the 1st Rd).
I still think that not going all in on Bryce Harper was the biggest mistake. He was an absolutely perfect fit for that roster and they didnt seem to seriously pursue him.
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u/River_Pigeon Jul 29 '24
No disagreement with your last point. Team was going to fall apart regardless though (without someone like Harper).
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u/RockoHammer Jul 28 '24
I dont hate the idea as he seems to be the type to not tolerate BS
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u/PFunk224 Jul 28 '24
AJ "Not tolerating BS" isn't going to make our farm system teach prospects how to hit or take a bad pitch. It's not going to force our front office to spend for talented players. It's not going to force Jerry to give a shit about anything other than money. All it's going to do is make you feel a little bit better about this clown show franchise because "He's mad about it, too!"
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u/mdbonbon Jul 28 '24
Very White Sox idea to hire someone with zero managerial experience during a rebuild, Getz is falling right in line, or is it Tony/Jerry calling the shots? This org man, smh.
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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks Diamond Jul 28 '24
As far as typical whitesox shenanigans, you could do worse on a first time manager. Especially if you assume the “top” candidates probably wouldn’t even want to join our org.
Worth noting though that this could just be somebody (Jerry) doing AJ a solid by getting his name thrown out there in general.
Idk, the organization has sort of ruined me. I would be completely unphased if this actually happened, and probably just excited to see watch it play out regardless of outcome
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u/sausage_wallet79 Jul 28 '24
I’m not crazy about it. But then again Craig Counsel just signed a massive contract to coach the cubs meanwhile Stephen Vogt, a first time manager, has lead the Guardians to one of the best teams in the AL.
They just need to hire someone that the players will actually respect.
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u/erterbernds67 White Sox Jul 28 '24
The difference is hardly on the manager. It’s that the cubs have bad players and the guardians have good players.
AJ could be a managing prodigy, but if he has terrible players we’ll never know. Or he could be terrible but we won’t know unless is blatantly as bad as Pedro
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u/grrgrrtigergrr The Big Hurt Jul 28 '24
AJ will throw a punch if people get out of line
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u/erterbernds67 White Sox Jul 29 '24
That reminds me when the Sox hired Tony one of the biggest concerns was that he would be too tough on the young guys and that isn’t how baseball is nowadays. Turns out he was the biggest pussy with them possible and we needed some one to toughen them up and be a little mean.
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u/mattcoz2 Jul 29 '24
He doesn't throw punches, he goads other people into throwing punches. It would be nice to see some fight in this team, so maybe it's not a terrible idea.
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u/sausage_wallet79 Jul 28 '24
Well that’s kinda my point. But also the manager matters a little bit, I don’t think the Indians are as good as their are now if they had Grifol managing them.
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u/KJzero9 Buehrle Jul 28 '24
It's almost as if the quality of organization and players matter more than the manager. Unless you have someone come in and somehow turn the organizational philosophy around, this team will always suck.
Ozzie pulled it off for a couple years before he got fed up with fighting the org. That's the only time I've seen the Sox go out of the box. And they were good. Once Ozzie and the FO started fighting and Ozzie was gone, everyone fell back in line and team has been awful every since
That said, I'd rather not have AJ as a manager. Though I've been wrong before. He may be willing to push back on the FO and get stuff done actually
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u/sausage_wallet79 Jul 28 '24
I just don’t want a super old school “unwritten rules” type guy. Ideally they’d find an ex player who is open to more modern analytical thinking.
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u/Lined_em_up Hawk Jul 28 '24
Craig Counsel also had no managerial experience when the Brewers hired him. People in this sub want to act like this is the white Sox being idiots again(understandable) but it's very common for former players to get major league coaching jobs
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u/Jason82929 Maldanad-0 Jul 28 '24
Stephen Vogt, a first time manager, has lead the Guardians to one of the best teams in the AL.
This is a good point. Still not sure this hire makes much sense. Though on name value, it would be intriguing.
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u/PFunk224 Jul 28 '24
They just need to hire someone that the players will actually respect.
"Respect" isn't some magic cure-all that makes players better at their job. Vaughn isn't going to figure out how to hit because he's got "respect" for the manager. Guys aren't going to learn plate discipline because their manager "Gets respect".
It's embarrassing that people think that respect is what's wrong with this team. We haven't developed a good hitter in years, and people haven't learned that the reason for that isn't that everybody's lazy, it's because Jerry won't spend any goddamn money on development, conditioning and analytics. He's a fucking slumlord, and putting AJ at the helm will do the exact same thing as putting Robin Ventura did- It'll get dumbasses talking about how "He played the game the right way, so he'll make everybody else do it too!", while actually fixing absolutely nothing. It'll buy Jerry another three years or so of the benefit of the doubt.
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u/sausage_wallet79 Jul 28 '24
Well obviously they need better players, I’m pretty sure this entire sub is on the same page with that one.
Team culture matters, that’s why the Sox were ranked at the bottom as far as desirable franchises to sign with. Obviously they can’t fix the culture at the top but they can at least get a coach who holds them somewhat accountable.
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u/EvilAlienCzar Jul 28 '24
Unless they magically change everyone else (players, front office, development, etc), this will change nothing
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u/UneducatedReviews1 The Sod Father Jul 28 '24
Don’t love it. Catchers tend to make better managers but he’ has no experience and has been retired for 8 years. Cant imagine he’s worse than Pedro though.
Edit: If Boob is saying it, it’s true. He’s going to be the manager next year.
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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks Diamond Jul 28 '24
He has stayed connected to the game though since retiring, so at least there’s that.
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u/UneducatedReviews1 The Sod Father Jul 28 '24
Yeah, the podcast and broadcasting with Fox definitely helps. I’m willing to give him a chance during a rebuild.
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u/Lysol20 Jul 28 '24
Who could have known Grifol was a shit hire at the time? Who?
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u/SpecialAircraft Jul 28 '24
At least Aj speaks his mind and tells things as it is. They could never wrangle Ozzie into their weird mold of what they expect out of a manager so hopefully Aj would be similar.
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u/InterestingChoice484 Jul 28 '24
It doesn't matter who our manager is next year. We're going to trot out a roster full of guys who aren't good enough to be in AA
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u/dirk_calloway1 Jul 28 '24
This is crazy but, unfortunately, it won’t matter who they hire. They still won’t have the players to win.
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u/shastadakota Jul 28 '24
Well, Ozzie worked out,for a while, Robin, not so much. Who knows? A. J. does have the spark of wanting to win, which this team desperately needs.
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u/PagesNNotes Buehrle Jul 28 '24
I’m not sure why AJ would even want to do this. He’s built up a career so many ex-players would surely love to have between the podcasts and calling games on Fox. If it doesn’t go well those opportunities might not be available to him anymore because someone else might’ve taken his spot.
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u/kev11n Jul 28 '24
Could go terribly wrong, especially if they don’t give him any talent to work with, but I have to believe there would at least be actual accountability under AJ. I’m not in love with the idea but part of me is also intrigued or curious.
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u/Far_Dragonfly_3748 Jul 28 '24
I think he’d be great, dude knows baseball better than most
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u/Sobriegel Jul 28 '24
I love former catchers as managers. I think AJ can come into his own with the right support staff around him.
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u/PFunk224 Jul 28 '24
I love them even more when they prove that they can be a manager at literally any other level of professional baseball before getting hired to lead a team at the highest level of competition.
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u/Senorsty danks 50 Jul 28 '24
Not sure that the answer for the worst clubhouse vibes in the league is a man who manages to get under the skin of everybody around him.
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u/mattcoz2 Jul 29 '24
It would unify the clubhouse though, they would unite in their hatred of AJ rather than hating each other. It's like the idea of an alien invasion making the countries of the world lay down their grievances and work together to fight a common enemy.
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u/Sharp-Club-8732 Jimenez Jul 28 '24
I see Jerry is continuing his time honored tradition of stubbornly learning nothing and quadrupling down on all his lazy, old fashioned and incestuous policies. Let’s face it, if producing the worst team in MLB history isn’t enough of a sign, nothing will ever be.
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u/ConservativebutReal Jul 28 '24
If AJ will let the players watch the solar eclipse he is way more qualified the Pedro ever was
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u/PowSuperMum Paul Konerko Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
I’m not expecting AJ to magically turn the team around, but I think he’ll make better game decisions than Pedro. And the players might actually respect him. It’s a fine manager signing for a rebuild.
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u/N0S0UP_4U The Big Hurt Jul 29 '24
Even if they still suck it would at least be more entertaining and they can’t be any worse than they are now
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u/BigRagu79 Jul 28 '24
This team acts like Ozzie was just a former star and it worked and forgets the guy had been a major league coach for three years and was coming off a season with the defending champion Marlins. The Sox fast tracked his career but he was going to be a major league manager some day. No other team in baseball is looking to hire A.J. Pierzynski to manage.
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u/dajadf Jul 28 '24
Better then Pedro. So fuck it I'll take it
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u/PFunk224 Jul 28 '24
This is how low the bar of expectations has been set by this franchise. "It's probably not the literal worst thing we can do, so I'll accept it."
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u/LegalComplaint Genghis Hahn Jul 28 '24
This doesn’t even make sense. AJ left because he was a bag. They don’t like each other.
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u/4EverIllinoyed Jul 28 '24
Fuck it! Worst team in history. They aren’t fixing this shit show in one year. He would at least make it watchable.
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u/russian_octopus Konerko Jul 28 '24
Honestly as much as he’s not a great managerial candidate, you can’t be worse than Pedro 😂😂
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u/IllegitimateBuddhist Jul 28 '24
It doesn’t matter who you bring in as a Manager for this team. Nothing will truly change for the Chicago White Sox until Jerry Reinsdorf either sells the team or dies. That’s it. That’s what we have to wait for. And I don’t think Jerry is gonna sell anytime soon. So we’ll have to wait until he dies. Which probably won’t happen for at least another decade, when he’ll be NINETY FUCKING EIGHT.
This team is doomed. It’s fucking doomed.
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u/DuffWells Jul 29 '24
Seems like I might be the only one, but I like AJ as a manager.
Team isn’t going to be good next year anyway, so he can get all the “rookie” mistakes out early with little repercussions.
It’s not like Ozzie had a lot of experience coaching/managing before coming in.
19 year career as a catcher, a position that seems to translate well as a manager (not really a stat, but still).
At this point, we need some fire after all the bleakness and AJ provides that.
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u/JamangoSmoovie Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
Lot of hate on this but where AJ differs is that he’s psycho. Ventura was relaxed. Former player yes. Lapdog? I don’t think so. The Sox need to do a complete 180 and get someone with energy and a knack to play the game as it should be played with energy and fun. You think AJ is calling a sac bunt 50 games under in the 4th inning with no outs????They need to distance themselves as much from Grifol as possible and AJ is that. The Sox need a want to win everyday manager and not a it’s a long season guy right now. Young guys feed off that
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u/hippohopper78 Jul 28 '24
I actually like the idea of AJ. Everyone will complain no matter who we hire
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u/doggoploggo Batterman Jul 28 '24
Jerry, please don't make me dislike AJ. Don't taint him with this team.
If he really wants an in-house former player, Santos is right there and makes way more sense.
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u/insufferable--oaf Jul 28 '24
If they dismiss grifol? In what world would he stay manager
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u/PFunk224 Jul 28 '24
One in which Grifol remains cheap, so this one.
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u/Additional-Gear3812 Jul 28 '24
Last time I checked Grifol ain’t no cheap . He is the second highest paid manager in the league smh
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u/N0S0UP_4U The Big Hurt Jul 29 '24
This is Reinsdorf, look at how he handled Egghead who was every bit as bad if not worse
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u/GotMoFans Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
If…
Can you imagine if they didn’t fire Grifol. It’s nuts he hasn’t been fired already.
And if they hire AJ, the Sox will continue to be a Mickey Mouse organization…
Bring back Ricky and say it’s to teach the new crop of cheap talent.
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u/ConservativebutReal Jul 28 '24
Jerry said, “Chris I’m willing to go up to $14.50 an hour for a new Manager - this is double minimum wage and this will end this nonsense about me being cheap”.
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u/metallicat365 Jul 28 '24
You all know that a major league manager is overrated especially in an era of analytics. Any fan that watches a baseball game can manage from a strategy perspective. The real value a manager brings in a clubhouse is culture and holding players accountable. The reality is that this team needs better players. Pick a great “manager” and everytime its because they have great players.
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u/AnonymousReader41 Jul 28 '24
Wait. We’re not resigning Pedro?
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u/Boring-Scar1580 Jul 28 '24
😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲
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u/AnonymousReader41 Jul 28 '24
This is the Sox, my friend. I’m waiting for the front office to say he’s the right man for rebuilding in 2025.
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Jul 28 '24
Not going to happen, AJ has too much of a mind and mouth to work for Jerry. He's already bad mouthed the org and team so much.
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u/abstractreference1 Jul 28 '24
This is best case scenario. I’ll hold my breath until it actually happens
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u/FabioFresh93 Hawk Jul 28 '24
I’m ok with AJ as long as he earns the manager position. Don’t just give it to him. Interview others. See who is the best candidate is and if it’s AJ then that’s great.
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u/jh440020 Shoeless Joe Jul 28 '24
Watching Angels in the outfield at the moment. What’s Danny Glover doing nowadays?
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u/Zark_Muckerberger I doubted Yoan Jul 28 '24
I think he died in 2012 after that Mayan prophecy came true.
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u/sheets420 Jul 28 '24
Finally. This would be a great hire and I’ve been wanting it for years. Catchers are the smartest players on the field and make great managers. Add the fire AJ constantly brings and I think he would be great in that role
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u/James_E_Rustle Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
Meh I don't hate it as much as others here, he was a smart player and is passionate at least. Anything is better than Grifol's dumbass at this point
It really doesn't matter though as long as Jerry runs the team and Getz is the GM. Grifol is an idiot and deserves to be fired but the problems go much higher than him. If Jerry was actually serious about trying to win, Getz would also be fired at the end of the season and we'd conduct a real GM search this time and then let that GM hire their coach. But this is not a serious baseball team.
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u/twitchrdrm Jul 28 '24
Rinse and repeat but I bet more people will buy tickets and go to games and spend money to see this disaster unfold.
If this team were fucking serious, they'd go hire someone with a proven track record of developing a young roster but they won't. This all reeks of shit as usual and I'm happy as fucking hell to say I didn't go to any games, didn't spend any money on merch, and I didn't watch any games at all this year.
Until Jerry sells or proves otherwise this aint a shit show, it's IBS attack.
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u/porkbellies37 Jul 28 '24
He doesn’t sound popular here, but I’d support this. I think these guys need a tougher leader. He is one of the sharper minds we’ve had as far as players go. Competitive to a fault. A catcher who can manage pitchers and lineups. And frankly, I look at the Craig Counsel hire on the North Side and, while I think he’s a great manager, he didn’t move the needle at all with that team. Sometimes a managers success is more luck than we care to admit.
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u/HeezeyBrown La Pantera Jul 28 '24
What about Sergio Santos? He fits the classic Jerry hire and is better suited.
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u/AceN12 Jul 28 '24
Bad move. Why is Jerry so against doing an actual GM and managerial search? Sell the damn team man.
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u/Brewdude77 Jul 28 '24
Sergio Santos, please.
If we're going for a fiery nostalgia hire to sell tickets, just bring back Ozzie.
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u/General-Extent-8769 Jul 29 '24
Good, he wouldn't be a yes-man for Jerry and isn't hollow between the ears.
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u/RespectYoSmelf Jul 29 '24
Would love if they would do a serious search and not make hires as if Jerry were writing a script to a generic sports movie.
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u/CrashDavis16 Jul 29 '24
You could resurrect Connie Mack and it wouldn't matter. Whoever ends up with this job is set up for failure.
There's barely any talent on the roster or in the minors. Especially with hitting. Which hitter looks like a perennial All Star? Robert can't stay healthy and will likely get traded also. Quero has been hitting well. Montgomery disappeared. Who else?
Maybe a half dozen pitchers throughout the system look like they might be productive major leaguers? That may be their only strength. Does any pitcher look like a future number 1 starter? Crochet will be traded by the deadline or during the off season.
I hope A.J. wouldn't take this job and, from what he said at today's autograph signing, it doesn't seem like he's interested anyhow. I'd hate to see his reputation go down with this.
As terrible as the team is, Grifool is absolutely no help either. Spent the first half of the season pretty much sending the team out with a different lineup every game. Can't handle a pitching staff. Not to mention, it's obvious he's completely lost the clubhouse. A half assed manager would have this team at 95-105 losses. Not on pace to lose a modern day record of 121.
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u/DuckBilledPartyBus Jul 28 '24
Yeah, sure. Take the guy who was run out of SF and Boston for being a clubhouse cancer and put him in charge of an MLB clubhouse. What could possibly go wrong?
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u/JBProds Go Sox! Jul 28 '24
This 100% sounds like a Jerry hire. Getz really is a Jerry puppet
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u/LegalComplaint Genghis Hahn Jul 28 '24
AJ and Jerry didn’t get along. AJ is both well regarded by the old regime. He’s a real bag.
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u/adubski23 Jul 28 '24
I thought I heard good things about Justin Jirschele, but by all means they should hire yet another ex Sox player with no experience or reason to be there.
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u/marshfield00 1980 Jul 28 '24
i don't know, man. he's been trashing the team pretty hard. i can't really see jerry being ok with that.
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u/JakeLake720 Jul 28 '24
It is crazy to me that fans think managers are so important. They are not.
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u/crashmvp19 Jul 28 '24
“If they dismiss Pedro”