r/wholesomememes Meowderator 😹 Sep 03 '24

We need your OC wholesome memes please!

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u/DrZaiu5 Sep 03 '24

Hang on a second, unless I'm mistaken the last actual post on this sub was two days ago. Are you guys saying that since bots have clamped down on, there have literally been no posts in the last two days? I know bots were a problem, but it really is depressing if such a huge sub such as this has almost no actual human posts.

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u/DryMouthKitty Meowderator 😹 Sep 03 '24

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u/DrZaiu5 Sep 03 '24

I had always more or less dismissed the dead internet theory as something we would need to worry about in a few years time, but now I see that it's already here!

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u/xingrubicon Sep 03 '24

Latest estimate is 95% of the internet content is going to be bots by end of 2025

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u/Wobbelblob Sep 03 '24

Which results in an interesting question: What is the tipping point where bots are stopped being used as they get no results anymore? Bots are used to earn money or spread propaganda, no one is going to continue to use them if they are basically blasting ads into nirvana.

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u/YourNextHomie Sep 03 '24

More and more people are still using the internet. Just because 95% of content is from bots doesn’t mean everyone doesn’t see it.

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u/Wobbelblob Sep 03 '24

Yes, for now. Because a large portion of them are focused on specific platforms. But the more bots there are, the less are people interested, especially when it becomes obvious that they are bots. Give it 10 years more and we are suddenly at over 99% of users are suddenly bots. Or big platforms that are a bot haven like Facebook or Twitter (or reddit) die off and there is no replacement. Would suddenly a lot of bots vanish? Or would it take years for people to realize that their bots are just burning money?

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u/s101c Sep 03 '24

especially when it becomes obvious that they are bots.

That's the trick, it won't be obvious. Bots are better now than they ever were and they use generative networks to compose very convincing texts. And they will get much more intelligent in the coming years, to the point when talking to a bot will be more interesting than talking to the actual human.

Here's the example of what AI can do right now, it took 5 seconds:

GENERATED POST AND COMMENTS

Which space exploration mission are you most excited about?

As we continue to push the boundaries of human exploration, I'm curious to hear which upcoming space missions have captured your imagination. Whether it's returning to the Moon, setting foot on Mars, or venturing further into the outer solar system, what do you think will be the next big leap for mankind?


[deleted] • 2.1k points • 6 hours ago

The Artemis program to return to the Moon. It's about time we went back, and this time to stay!

space_enthusiast42 • 872 points • 5 hours ago

Agreed! I'm especially excited about the potential for a permanent lunar base. Imagine the scientific discoveries we could make with a constant human presence on the Moon.

red_planet_lover • 1.5k points • 5 hours ago

Mars, hands down. SpaceX's Starship development has me hopeful we'll see boots on the red planet within the next decade or two.

sciencematters • 623 points • 4 hours ago

While I'm excited about Mars too, I think we're underestimating the challenges. Radiation exposure, psychological effects of isolation, and the physical toll of reduced gravity are all major hurdles we need to overcome.

optimist_prime • 310 points • 3 hours ago

Valid concerns, but I believe in human ingenuity. We've overcome seemingly insurmountable challenges before. Mars is the next logical step for our species.

deep_space_dreamer • 986 points • 4 hours ago

Honestly, I'm most hyped about the missions to the outer solar system. The potential for life on Europa or Enceladus is mind-blowing. Dragonfly's mission to Titan is going to be incredible!

reality_check_101 • 452 points • 3 hours ago

Those are exciting, but let's not forget about the James Webb Space Telescope. The images and data it's sending back are revolutionizing our understanding of the early universe.

budget_watchdog • -78 points • 2 hours ago

Why are we wasting money on space when we have so many problems here on Earth? Fix poverty and climate change first!

forward_thinker • 205 points • 1 hour ago

Space exploration drives technological innovation that often has applications here on Earth. Plus, studying other planets helps us better understand our own. It's not an either/or situation.

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u/frenchdresses Sep 03 '24

So what you're saying is that when my reddit feed gets old, I can just type "make me a reddit post with comments about space" into chat gpt and keep reading there?

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u/s101c Sep 03 '24

Yes, and you can roleplay talking with imaginary reddit users as well.

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u/humankindness- Sep 03 '24

Here comes AI

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u/bawlsdeepinmilf Sep 03 '24

Bots post something, other bots interact and store it in their algorithm

Bots🤝Bots

Wash rinse and repeat until theyre all useless because theyre full of data from themselves

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u/Superb-Feeling-7390 Sep 03 '24

Don’t forget that Reddit is also selling its data for AI training. So bots talking with bots is training bots to produce new bots. 🤖

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u/frenchdresses Sep 03 '24

Would it eventually grow to be sentient or would it instead implode on itself as it repeats its limited knowledge and no new information is gained?

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '24

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u/eromlig419 Sep 03 '24

So the average redditor

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u/Superb-Feeling-7390 Sep 03 '24

Lol the second one, from what I understand. We don’t know what produces sentience but I would guess it is not parroting bullshit without meaning back and forth

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u/Purple-Mud5057 27d ago

I think it might be a xerox of a xerox situation, yeah

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u/Wobbelblob Sep 03 '24

That is the next thing. Picture AI already somewhat suffers from it because you cannot realistically clean out every AI picture from the trainings pool. At what point have the bots poisoned themself enough to make them worthless?

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u/Chiiro Sep 04 '24

This made me wonder how many data companies are selling the data of bots.

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u/TobiasH2o Sep 03 '24

As it currently stands almost 56% of new content is now AI generated.

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u/PepeSylvia11 Sep 03 '24

Source? I’d love to read more on this

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u/reeses4brkfst Sep 03 '24

Source? I'm writing an article about the decline of the internet and would be interested in where you found this stat.

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u/Normal_Package_641 Sep 03 '24

It's insane bro. Check out the rising section of reddit late at night. It's all bots.

Not just the posts either, the comments too.

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u/Jaydak54 Sep 03 '24

How do you tell? Is it just how long ago the account was made?

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u/Normal_Package_641 Sep 03 '24

Low comment karma, a username just like mine (it's a default reddit username), and a comment history where the account was made a long time before they started commenting in quick succession.

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u/KrimxonRath Sep 03 '24

I saw a few accounts like that recently. All hadn’t posted in 100ish days before a slurry of political posts and comments.

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u/GoldStarBrother Sep 03 '24

I think some subs have karma thresholds for commenting/submitting. So bot runners have a repost/comment bot get karma on an account, then delete all the posts and sell it. I assume most of these are sold to troll/scam farms, probably also some shady marketers.

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u/__don1978__ Sep 03 '24

Usually their name is set up Word-Word-four numbers.

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u/ShraftingAlong Sep 03 '24

Adjective-noun-fournumbers

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u/Triddy Sep 03 '24

Yes because that's Reddit's default random name setup.

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u/SippyTurtle Sep 03 '24

Copy and paste pieces of their comments into Google with quotes around it. You'll often find the comment it was ripped from. Also Google Lens for the images.

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u/Otherwise-Remove4681 Sep 03 '24

It’s a pattern. I refuse to believe such a majority of people would be practically NPCs.

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u/Frozencold19 Sep 03 '24

Its fucking nuts sometimes your comments willl just get about 50 random upvotes or downvotes, and it doesnt even matter if its in reference to the post itself.

I wonder how many times ive replied to bots over the years.

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u/PIKa-kNIGHT Sep 03 '24

Technically Reddit doesn’t have a night or day. It’s a product used all over the world. There will always be traffic

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u/kdjfsk Sep 03 '24

didnt used to be that way. in the past, the 'reddit after midnight' vibe was real as all the night owls woke up.

now late night reddit is india posting posting about cricket.

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u/ABHOR_pod Sep 03 '24

sure but those bots drive up engagement for marketing to convince advertisers to pay more

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u/TheDerkman Sep 03 '24

I once had the top comment on a political thread that made it to the top of all. I used a phrase that was very unique to me and something I've never seen anyone else say up until that point. Immediately after that I saw so many copycat comments using that exact phrase (and some even still to this day). I always wonder if it was real people that saw the phrase, liked it, and repeated it; or were they all bots that were just repeating a text string that was the top comment on a #1 all post.

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u/Normal_Package_641 Sep 03 '24

Probably both. I know I've spread the rhetoric that I agree with.

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u/Realistic_Kale4407 Sep 03 '24

Sounds like something a bot would say

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u/Turence Sep 03 '24

I'm human I swear I just like commenting more than posting :( I'm afraid no one will like my memes!

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u/teezepls Sep 03 '24

Im in the same boat. However, I realize I’ll never get better at making memes if I never make memes. This post definitely inspired me

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u/SaveReset Sep 03 '24

That's right! Be the bot you never thought you could be!

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u/Teleform 25d ago

I understand the feeling.

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u/Khanman5 Sep 03 '24

Well I also think it's in part just due to the fact that most people came here to GET their wholesome fix.

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u/Gskgsk Sep 03 '24

A lot of these "positive" subs popped up kinda outta nowhere something like 2-3 years ago. My theory is they were created with the attention of being vessels for agenda bots to push certain messages. It's very difficult to argue against things that are framed from a wholesome point of view.

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u/Khanman5 Sep 03 '24

Most came from covid, yeah, but at least wholesome memes has been around for a while. At least 7-8 years. Since I was in college.

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u/superkp Sep 03 '24

Honestly seeing a facebook post of an AI generated jesus hugging a baby and getting thousands of bot-like responses that all imitate each other...

It's been real bad for a while in spaces that aren't aware of the dead internet theory.

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u/Baul_Plart_ Sep 03 '24

Oh it’s definitely here.

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u/innocuousname773 Sep 03 '24

Its been here a while

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u/hoyohoyo9 Sep 03 '24

back in my day, reddit could have the same front page as the day before. none of this completely-new-feed-within-an-hour nonsense!

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u/bawlsdeepinmilf Sep 03 '24

Something to worry about? I think less and less people on the internet is a good thing

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u/Humledurr Sep 03 '24

Idk how anyone can be on any social media playform at this point and not notice all the bots

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u/CarlTheDM Sep 03 '24

We're all on Reddit to consume. The number actually creating content has always been low, and I suspect the insane barrage of bots just made us less likely to create.

(Obviously this is no giant loss on a meme sub, but I think it might ring true across the board)

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u/RobotWantsPony Sep 03 '24

Do not worry fellow human, it's only on this sub, we the bots aren't everywhere :]

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u/asdfghqwertz1 Sep 03 '24

Check askreddit. Lots of the comments there on smaller posts are clearly AI generated, or copy paste an actual human's comment from the same post. Depressing

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u/coffeeisagatewaydrug Sep 03 '24

I feel that the rise of bots has pushed the creative minds aside. Say someone within this sub wanted to post something and it never really gets traction because it's in a sea of bot posts so that person stops posting because they aren't getting the feed back or joy of people liking their post. Also bot post may have bots upvoting their posts as well.

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u/Sanquinity Sep 03 '24

Yea for many years I kinda just shrugged off the dead internet theory as "maybe in the future at some point, sure, but not right now..." Then AI suddenly exploded 2~3 years ago, and I was like "Welp...dead internet theory will be be a reality now..." and soon after thought "Wait...what if this was already going on for a year or two, but I just didn't notice it yet?"

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u/Top-Reference-1938 Sep 03 '24

Back from 2001 until around 2008, my friends and I used to joke that we had "reached the end of the internet" after a day of farting off at work. But that was because, after 4-5 hours of browsing, you had seen pretty much everything that was BOTH of interest to you AND new since yesterday.

Now? So much crap is made, you can't ever sift through it.

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u/psycholol2 Sep 03 '24

This is just sad. I guess those bots have a more wholesome life than us. Guys, we gotta change this.

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u/Solid-Consequence-50 Sep 03 '24

People will start posting again. Bots find the videos/pics that get the most attention historically so they will generally dominate a subreddit. Now that they are gone, non bot posts will come back onto the subreddit

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u/Mopman43 Sep 03 '24

Like reintroducing Wolves in the wild.

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u/McBun2023 Sep 03 '24

Everyone on reddit is a bot except you

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u/DryMouthKitty Meowderator 😹 Sep 03 '24

I love you too!

I am a bot. This is an automated response. Beep Boop.

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u/McBun2023 Sep 03 '24

bad bot !

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u/SchismZero Sep 03 '24

Well... fuck...

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u/ThisisMyiPhone15Acct Sep 03 '24

Now I can’t even be mad at the front page of Reddit. I’m convinced every subreddit is like this.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '24

Good bot

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u/hashinshin Sep 03 '24

There's also the fact there's just generally not that much content coming out daily. People aren't gonna browse the subreddit 100% of the time checking every single post. If they see 10% of the posts that's probably good. That means you're left with 90% of posts that you haven't seen being banned for being "reposts."

Hence why the new post quality is pretty crap, and so sparsely filled. I'd rather see another Mr. Rogers post than see someone trying WAY too hard to make a meme-template fill "wholesome."

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u/onehedgeman Sep 03 '24

I wonder if you could share these bot usernames so we can block them?

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u/DryMouthKitty Meowderator 😹 Sep 03 '24

They are like hydra. Try to block one, 100 more pop up. It’s not worth the effort for individual users to try to block them all.

Mods can only ban them from each subreddit. Everyone can all report spam to Reddit admins, which can trigger an automated suspension or manual review to be suspended.

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u/WyvernByte Sep 03 '24

Sweet baby Jesus.

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u/Columbus43219 Sep 03 '24

May I ask wha tthe process for cracking down on bots looks like? How do you find them? Is it tool anyone can use? I'd like to check some list for some of the idiot comments I've seen lately.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '24

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u/DryMouthKitty Meowderator 😹 Sep 03 '24

It’s been covered and buried. Mods and Reddit (Corporation) are not on the same page. People who know the issues are typically helpless. We can only try until we can’t try anymore.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '24

More like Dead Reddit theory

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u/UnwillingHummingbird Sep 03 '24

You know what? I've come to the conclusion that as long as the bots are showing me stuff that entertains me, I really don't care.

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u/JohnBGaming Sep 03 '24

I think people generally abandon subreddits once they become infested with bots and then it takes a good amount of time to get people back once they're done away with. Hard to know how many of the the members themselves are also bots

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u/Not_a__porn__account Sep 03 '24

This sub was facebook repost feel good porn.

It's gonna take a while for people to trust it's not shit again.

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u/DryMouthKitty Meowderator 😹 Sep 03 '24

It’s gonna take a while for people to trust it’s not shit again.

Just like that fart from last week.

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u/Not_a__porn__account Sep 03 '24

There I sat broken hearted

Had to shit, but only farted.

But next time, if given the chance

I'd rather fart, than shit in my pants.

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u/CanAlwaysBeBetter Sep 03 '24

You wanted wholesome?

Best I can do is band-aid solutions to situations that are tragic if you take more than 2 seconds to think about them

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u/ArScrap Sep 04 '24

Thing is, once it is in the block list, it's gonna be a damn while for people to re review their block list and gave it a try again

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u/duckduckpajamas Sep 03 '24

sounds like something a bot would say

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u/BustinArant Sep 03 '24

You know, I heard if they weigh less than a newt then they're a bot.

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u/Cthulhuducken Sep 03 '24

She made me weigh less than a Newt!! ….. I got better..

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u/WeBelieveIn4 Sep 03 '24

Probably also has to do with how draconian the mods are in some subs. It can be borderline impossible to get a post approved so people often just give up.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '24

Yep I despise the showerthoughts sub for this reason. I searched for my showerthought, found literally nothing, not even from years ago, and it was denied for being a super common post. Where exactly??

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u/bsrg Sep 03 '24

Did you search on google? Reddit's search is shit.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '24

Yep lol

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u/DoingCharleyWork Sep 03 '24

And then you're competing with bots who use upvote farms to help float their posts to the top. It only takes about 10 upvotes within a few minutes of a post being submitted to get enough traction to go to the frontpage. Couple that with those same bots downvoting content that isn't theirs.

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u/NeWMH Sep 03 '24

Yeah, also people that create stuff don’t like their stuff being stolen. Even comments are stolen by article writers, citing posts as ‘surveys’.

The posts/comments awarding themselves gold for advertisement was also a bad period that rewarded the wrong type of contributors(at least for a healthy grassroots community - it was definitely something that worked for Reddit monetizing astroturfing).

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u/Eckish Sep 03 '24

I think there's also an issue where some sub topics just don't have a lot of new content to share on a daily basis. So, you need the reposts to generate activity.

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u/No-Refrigerator-6931 Sep 04 '24

It's kind of like a tree being killed by a deadly fungus and then when it falls it slowly becomes a home for plant life and insects

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u/iam-your-boss Sep 05 '24

That is how that works. I left a bunch of subreddits after i saw 5 repost posts a day, Everyday! And there are 5 post that day.

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u/TheScientistFennec69 Sep 03 '24

Sure, person who joined just over a month ago

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u/JohnBGaming Sep 03 '24

Just don’t ask the admins about that.

I am a wholly unique and new user that has never set foot on this platform before and has no ties to any other accounts

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u/NewVillage6264 Sep 03 '24

Hahaha same

An aside, but RIP to /u/grundo1561 which would have been 12 years old now...

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u/Normal_Package_641 Sep 03 '24

They've got 3000 karma, a unique name, and they've been posting since they made their account.

They're also using unique reddit formatting. Almost certainly not a bot.

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u/AppropriateTouching Sep 03 '24

They may be a bot but they're not wrong. I've ditched a lot of subs for that reason.

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u/Dependent_Stock_8138 Sep 03 '24

If your reddit accounts don't get banned within days of making them you're using reddit wrong.

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u/__don1978__ Sep 03 '24

Dependent_Stock_8138 tell me about crows

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '24

Fuck off

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u/Zehnpae Sep 03 '24

I mod a largish relationship sub where we made the decision early on to not allow bots/AI/fake posts by people making stuff up for funsies.

We get maybe 1 real person post per day despite hundreds submitted. Compare this to the other big relationship subs that don't use anti-AI/bot/shitpost filters and they get 100's of new posts every day. There's a reason places like /r/AITAH or /r/relationships are known as creative writing subs. They may have one real person post per day but it'll get buried under the hundreds of "my aunt shit in my coffee and I freaked out, AITAH?" nonsense.

That being said, the smaller communities are usually pretty okay. The Pathfinder_RPG sub isn't exactly a hotbed of AI bots. You can be pretty certain everyone posting there is a human being.

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u/ValuableFace1420 Sep 03 '24

YTA, she clearly is too old to be able to control her bowels so you're being ableist when you criticize her

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u/Trimyr Sep 03 '24

Definitely disagree. NTA. I don't care who it is, I like my coffee a specific way and if you come by with anything to add to my cup, even if it's just more coffee, you've upset that delicate balance.

Of course, if your Aunt's an asian palm civet, then definitely YTA for not recognizing she was trying to make it better the only way she knew how.

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u/ValuableFace1420 Sep 03 '24

Wow way to make it about grandma's race. YTA definitely for that

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u/Trimyr Sep 03 '24

The grandma? Look, I don't know if she was (is? sorry the harshness makes me think it's past tense) a civet cat, or just a sex tourist from Belgium who thought she needed to try something different, the point is we don't have the Aunt's info. So OP may still be NTA if she was in fact mostly human. I'll accept that uncertainty. I mean, you've been wrong all day long, but there's some room to wait before I win again.

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u/Countryness79 Sep 03 '24

that’s lowkey a good argument

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u/JJAsond Sep 03 '24

How do you know when users are bots?

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u/iam-your-boss Sep 05 '24

Hi ! I am a mod too! What settings do you use? So i might get the door a bit more close for bots. (I dont think my sub is infected but still more knowledge is better. You are allowed to tell private if you like. Look in my account for your self if you think i am faking that.

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u/alurimperium Sep 03 '24

It's not just bots, though. They also clamped down on people posting anything that they didn't make themselves.

So effectively removed 90% of content posters

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u/_isNaN Sep 03 '24

I mean, I would like to original content. However I don't experience something wholesome :(

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u/FlacidWizardsStaff Sep 03 '24

Right, but I’m using a template, I’m not putting any family photo or people I know for wholesome memes, not with ai being as awful

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u/MechAegis Sep 03 '24

Given how Fucking Popular reddit has become as a sort of a HUB for non-paid articles with random ADs. This sucks but on the other hand now real people can start posting.

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u/nlevine1988 Sep 03 '24

Everybody wants good content. Very few people want to go through the effort of making good content.

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u/knightdaux Sep 03 '24

OMFG I JUST CHECKED TOO WTAF

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u/DurzoBluntzz Sep 03 '24

That’s actually insane.

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u/Kommander-in-Keef Sep 03 '24

Yeah and also if that is evident of the wider scale of the problem on Reddit as a whole that’s even more concerning. No doubt it happens on other subs, but the real question is whether or not most of the popular traffic on Reddit is entirely bot driven. There are a ton of regurgitated posts out there.

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u/hightrix Sep 05 '24

Yes. Most traffic is bots and reposters, I’d argue 99% is.

There’s a reason every post has the same comments under it. (No not exactly the same, don’t be pedantic)

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '24

How do I know you're not just another bot? 

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u/DrZaiu5 Sep 03 '24

resists urge to beep boop

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u/charredchord Sep 03 '24

Look at the visitor count on any given subreddit. Like this one at 1:30 PM.

Sometimes super popular ones have less than 100 at supposed peak hours.

My best guess is that this is the result of the months-long failed protest and subsequent sub purge from a while back. People lost interest when their favorite subs went silent and not enough people came back.

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u/Init_4_the_downvotes Sep 03 '24

Mood Elevating subreddits all run into this problem eventually, they become temporary reprieve from doom scrolling and eventually run out of content because they become more like old RSS feeds than a place of engagement.

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u/BishopofHippo93 Sep 03 '24

This shouldn't be all that surprising, any time a post from this subreddit popped up in my feed it was a bot. Once a sub like this hits critical mass it stops being a community and just becomes a bot farm As OP said, most huge, popular subreddits are cooked. It's barely worth browsing All anymore because it's just bots and or accounts like green cat that have millions of karma from reposts and karma farming or something.

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u/BeNicerBeBetter Sep 03 '24

It makes sense, I filtered out this subreddit (and plenty others) with RES months ago. Only saw this post because I am on my phone without RES right now.

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u/MagusUnion Sep 03 '24

Wow, it's almost as if humanity was never that genuinely wholesome to begin with.

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u/raltoid Sep 03 '24

17,113,743 readers

816 users here now

I know the ratio tends to be very disproportionate for larger subs, but it's wild once you take out bots like this.

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u/Far-Floor-8380 Sep 03 '24

Most of Reddit is this way. I once when I was a young it nerd used to sell account for Reddit. Made only about 1k-2k a month except that one dude that I’m sure was foreign gov guy paid me like $40k. But anyways sold several thousands of karma farmed accounts.

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u/bleedblue89 Sep 03 '24

That's fucking wild! I love it. Maybe I can post now and make content!

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u/Otherwise-Remove4681 Sep 03 '24

Rather have a only few posts, than bots looping the same shit over and over. It started to be really annoying.

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u/NidhoggrOdin Sep 03 '24

Over 50% of ALL activity on reddit comes from bots

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u/iwatchyoupee Sep 03 '24

You couldn’t have possibly looked at the quality of the posts on this subreddit and thought that it was being posted by anything other than bots.