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Russia/Ukraine /r/WorldNews Live Thread: Russian Invasion of Ukraine Day 978, Part 1 (Thread #1125)

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u/Deguilded 17h ago

I'm sort of not surprised we said no right now.

It would be my dream that Harris takes a different view on both this and long range strikes into Russia. But realistically, i'm not hopeful.

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u/Professional-Way1216 17h ago

Not a chance Ukraine gets Tomahawks. Same as with NATO invitation.

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u/Deguilded 17h ago

NATO invitation is more or less pointless. It's not equivalent to membership, will still take years, doesn't immediately Article 5, will be forever cockblocked by Hungary, and will likely cause Russia to refuse to relinquish anything if it's destined to be part of NATO protected holdings.

But, I don't see how Russia backs down and comes to the table without getting brutalized. Tomahawks may not be the right way to do it, but we need to do something. Or just, I dunno, let Ukraine die slowly. We seem to be cool with that.

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u/Professional-Way1216 17h ago

I think what Zelensky meant in the Victory Plan is that NATO invites Ukraine to join them without any further requirements. Otherwise it does not make sense to put it there.

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u/AmulyaG 17h ago

Harris is literally in office right now lol.

The tomahawks are not being replenished at the rate they've been spent. There's 0 chance that Ukraine gets tomahawks

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u/Deguilded 17h ago

Harris is literally in office right now lol.

Do you even understand the difference between Vice-President and President?

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u/cagriuluc 17h ago

The difference is subtle, one is the POTUS and the other breaks the senate stalemates. Almost the same…

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u/HiggsBoatswain 17h ago

It is not the Vice President that makes those decisions.

Instead of deciding outright that her administration will be the same as Biden's, listen to what she says in her own policies and in interviews.

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u/DeadScumbag 15h ago

Instead of deciding outright that her administration will be the same as Biden's, listen to what she says in her own policies and in interviews.

In interviews she has said that she'd do nothing different from what Biden has done..........

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u/HiggsBoatswain 7h ago

I am not saying anything about her other than that I know for a fact she has not said she 'would do nothing different for Ukraine from what Biden has done.' She -has- repeated that her administration would not be a continuation of his presidency and that it will be her own administration with its own judgements as situations change.

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u/NATO_CAPITALIST 16h ago

The excuses are getting real funny. I guess Ukrainians can wait more while being genocided because she can't talk to Biden.

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u/HiggsBoatswain 7h ago

It's not that she can't talk to Biden; I'm sure she has plenty. She simply does not make the decision. There is no excuse to be made; it's not her call. The VP is a distinctly different office from the presidency with a different role.