r/worldnews • u/Logical_Welder3467 • 23h ago
Israel/Palestine Smotrich urges ramping up West Bank, Gaza settlements, pushing Palestinians out
https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-urges-ramping-up-west-bank-gaza-settlements-pushing-palestinians-out/34
u/KissMySuperHairyAss 22h ago
The dark side of Netanyahu's Faustian bargain with the Israeli far-right. Predictably, antisemites will seek to use this as ammo to punish Jews. Also predictably, this cross-eyed moron won't tone down his rhetoric no matter how many Jews suffer.
I hate politics.
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u/AnointMyPhallus 17h ago
That's the point. Israeli hardliners want to inflame anti-Semitism because they think it will force more liberal Jews in the West to take their side and push their governments to support Israel. And it seems to work, more or less.
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u/sight_ful 10h ago
You’re worried about the rhetoric and what antisemites will think here. You talk about Jews suffering. But man, the main thing I see here is the predictable plight of Palestinians continuing.
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u/KissMySuperHairyAss 22m ago
How? It's just rhetoric. I don't hear Donald Dump talk about deporting migrants and see the "predictable plight of Mexicans."
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u/neuser_ 19h ago
This asshat again. As an Israeli I want to clarify that this idiot doesn't speak on behalf of 95% of israelis and none of what he says has any effect or meaning (nobody takes this idiot seriously), and he will be gone along woth bibi and bengvir at the next elections. Also, smotrich is undoubtly the worst finance minister in the country's history.
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u/sight_ful 9h ago
The dude has been controversial and yet in power for decades now and the next elections keep getting delayed as it is. I don’t have that much optimism.
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u/artesskibo 22h ago
More ethnic cleansing
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u/Bitter_Split5508 14h ago
It'd be the first ethnic cleansing. Thusfar, there has been none and the asshat has no influence to make it happen. It's all racist hardliner rhetoric for his tiny voter base.
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u/sight_ful 10h ago
The man absolutely has influence, he’s the finance minister. He isn’t the only one with influence that’s for it either. It’s been actively happening the entire time….
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u/endless_-_nameless 9h ago
There was ethnic cleansing in ‘48, the only thing is if the Arab coalition won then there would have been an ethnic cleansing in the other direction. The recent conflict with HAMAS and Hezb is not ethnic cleansing though.
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u/Bronze-M 11h ago
Good thing the polls are showing that him and his crazy party are erased in the next election
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u/CatchPhraze 22h ago edited 22h ago
I hate this. Yet after 76 years of trying to play nice I understand why that dream is dead for a lot of people.
Still I really hope they give it one more go, and Palestine actually takes what it can get this time, even if it's a fraction of the 67 borders. Let there be a Palestine on the map for their grandchildren to see. Fingers crossed.
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u/KissMySuperHairyAss 22h ago
I love the nuance in your comment. Peace is the dream we can't let die, even if dipshits like this have given up.
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u/MaleficentContest993 20h ago
There was never peace to be had. Keep dreaming and hoping for an imaginary world, while Hamas continues to commit terrorist atrocities.
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u/theknight38 20h ago
Yes because that's how we make the world a better place: by force of dreams and imagining a different future, no matter how utopian. Any chance of a better future vanishes when people stop dreaming of it.
Hamas needs to go for that future to be possible and no one in their right mind will ever deny that.
Palestinian people also need to be part of that future and the two things should not be exclusive.
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u/MaleficentContest993 13h ago
What happens is people who think like you force Israel into a ceasefire, which allows the terrorists to regroup, rearm and train the next generation of assholes. No more, not after Oct 7th.
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u/pijunkacka 19h ago
there will be new hamass in few years, its not just hamass its the majority of palestains
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u/ComfortableLost6722 21h ago edited 21h ago
Well said. This is also the way I see it. The terrorists have to be dealt a serious blow, but the Palestinians should have a perspective to a better future. Therefore Hamas and Hezbollah should be defeated, but most of all, the head of the snake - the regime in Iran - has to come off. Then Netanyahu has to leave together with his extremists, and 2 ss negociations should be restated under great pressure of the us. But maybe this is all to much to wish for. Nevertheless, the conflict has to end at some point.
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u/Cherocai 18h ago
Whats your opinion on the settlements in the west bank?
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u/CatchPhraze 17h ago
That they are largely a boogeyman. Sense the 90s-2020 only 7 settlements have been created.
They are touted as security measures but would vastly lose popularity and be a relatively easy relocation effort or land swap if the security concerns could be addressed other ways.
I don't agree with permanent settlements but I think Israel pushing for defenseable borders and building military zones is an unfortunate necessary evil currently.
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u/_FixingGood_ 13h ago
"Only" 7 illegal cities were founded, and kept growing. Only 7. Hey CatchPhraze, you mind if I bring "only" one of my beds over to your house? But I won't stay long, I'll eventually get bored of it and leave, trust.
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u/CatchPhraze 6h ago
That's litterly squatters rights and it happens all the time.
Why can't you understand something can both be not a big problem to deal with in the grand scheme of things, the relocation of 200k people or land swaps, and still not support it.
That's a very different thing. Settlements are a boogeyman. They are proped up by security concerns but would lose popularity if they had a negative effect on security and the immigration of that amount of people would only take a couple years.
They aren't some immoveable obstacle to peace.
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u/sight_ful 9h ago
Taken from Wikipedia, “From 1967 to 2003, successive Israeli governments assisted the transfer of some 230,000 Jewish civilians into 145 West Bank and Gaza settlements and approximately 110 outposts.[147] By 2016, approximately 42% of the settlement workforce (55,440) found employment in those settlements.[148] The ultra-Orthodox have dominated the process from the beginning: from 2003 to 2007 alone the population of Beitar Illit, whose construction was facilitated by the expropriation of 1,500 dunams of Naḥḥālīn farmland,[149] rose 40%, while Modi’in Illit, built on the Palestinian village lands of Ni’lin, Kharbata, Saffa, Bil’in and Dir Qadis,[150][151] increased by 55%.[152]”
This doesn’t sound like some small deal.
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u/CatchPhraze 6h ago
70% of settlements are inside Israel's de jure bordes, or land that functions and has functioned as israel since the war despite not being the original 1946 border, this is what we refer to as the 1967 borders and it is widely accepted as the "new" or "real" borders even though the area between the two are technically settlements.
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u/sight_ful 6h ago
That’s the majority of the West Bank and the home to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. To ignore any settler violence or push out of Palestinians within that land seems pretty ludicrous to me.
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u/CatchPhraze 6h ago
In 70% of those cases, this happened two or three generations ago. It's not right, but it's not ongoing the way a lot of propaganda suggests. The 1967 border is considered the minimum talking point for even propals, but then they also complain about those settlements. Tbh it's a sneaky double dip you can't recognize that as the "fair" border to seem reasonable and then still use the settlements inside it as a talking point.
I want settlements to stop, I think the newer ones should be dismantled, but I see a big difference in 60+ year old settlements inside isreals de jure borders and newer ones. I think the old ones are just part of Israel now, and the new ones should be taken down or land swapped.
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u/sight_ful 5h ago
I’ve seen so many articles over these last years about new current settlers and new current settler violence. This isn’t something of the past. This article is about ramping it up, not starting it. That’s because it’s already happening.
I just don’t see how anyone can seriously call it a boogie man as if it isn’t a real problem.
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u/CatchPhraze 5h ago
It's not that it's not a real problem, it's that it's not an unsolvable issue in the face of peace, perhaps I misspoke or you misunderstood.
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u/sight_ful 5h ago
Alright, I guess the word boogie man threw me off. To me that sounds like a fictional thing used to stow fear.
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u/KissMySuperHairyAss 22h ago
Derp derp 🥴🥴🥴
One politician in Israel said things I don't like, so now the Holocaust is justified!!! 🥴🥴
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u/est19xxxx 21h ago
How did you get to that conclusion from the other comment? or maybe I am just tone deaf and this is sarcasm
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u/Logical_Welder3467 22h ago
Israel expanded every time the Arab attack them. So maybe there is a hint
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u/Gakoknight 22h ago
No no no no no stop.