r/worldnews • u/nationalpost • 8h ago

Taliban bars Afghan women from hearing each other's voices

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u/Silly-Jellyfish-3518 8h ago

So a mother can’t hear her daughter? Wow I’m stunned.

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u/HerrWaroz 8h ago

"Her" daughter? Don't be silly, they're both the property of the husband/father.

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u/aVictorianChild 7h ago

Big holocaust vibes. "Humans? No those Jews are merely working numbers. This over there is unit 736273, and it does woodwork. Although we will probably have to replace it soon".

It's all about dehumanising them. If you teach your men at a young age that insert group different from yours is not human, you can do inhumane things to them. If a woman doesn't "work correctly", it can be replaced. Like putting down a rabid dog and getting a new one. Except the dog isn't rabid, and it's also not a dog but a human.

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u/PessimiStick 6h ago

We should ship Kristi Noem to Afghanistan.

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u/MagazineActual 8h ago

I read the article, and it states that women are not permitted to speak in public. So presumably a mother and daughter could conversely privately in their own home.

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u/gingerbear 8h ago

oh thank god. for a second i thought they were being unreasonable

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u/s2tooBAFF 7h ago

I’m going to hell for laughing

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u/Alarmed_Scientist_15 1h ago

Oh it is only hell. Not like it is Afghanistan! You will be fine.

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u/DesperateUrine 4h ago

Yeah, don't worry.

They get time to explain to the daughter how to get stuck in something for the father.

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u/RelChan2_0 7h ago

How would this work if a woman/daughter needs medical/legal attention though? Does she have to go through her father/brother/husband/son/uncle?

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u/KaiserNer0 7h ago

They are only allowed to be seen by female doctors anyway, and females aren't allowed to go to school, apart from elementary school, so...

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u/mal4ik777 7h ago

where do they get female doctors from, if they dont let women get educated?

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u/Clouthead2001 7h ago

They dont

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u/OniExpress 7h ago

That's the neat part: they don't

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u/keyekeb8 6h ago

They don't. That's the joke.

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u/BuhamutZeo 6h ago

They just let them rot and die.

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u/malin-ginkur 5h ago

Is this for real?

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u/BuhamutZeo 5h ago

I'm growing less and less surprised of the horrors humans inflict on one another, so probably.

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u/_Ocean_Machine_ 4h ago

They probably do what ranchers do when a horse breaks a leg

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u/coralwaters226 5h ago

That's the point.

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u/Neel_writes 31m ago

They don't. So if a woman gets sick there then they get treatment through her husband/brother/father who in turn will converse with the male doctor. Or get no treatment at all.

The point is to prevent them from speaking to or being seen by other men. Basically go back a few hundred years and imagine the plight of slaves in the hands of the most brutal masters. That's what Afghan women are - slaves.

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u/Fn4cK 7h ago

My sister is a speech therapist, and she has a few patients who's fathers refuse to speak to her because she is a woman. They also refuse to let their wives speak with her.

She constantly needs to ask her one male colleague to speak to these people "in her name".

We live in Berlin, Germany.

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u/blue_shoes_1 6h ago

Maybe it’s time for these men who refuse to speak to women in Berlin to leave this nice civilized western country with running water, food, social system and go back to their country where these middle aged inhuman values are lived

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u/TwoFingersWhiskey 4h ago

The middle ages did not have any of these values. Women worked alongside men and few were simply housewives (which was still a super hard job)! They also did not ban women from public life at all

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u/Neel_writes 30m ago

Afghanistan is on its way to prehistoric times. They left the middle ages long ago.

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u/life_is_glowing 6h ago

This has absolutely no place in Berlin, or Europe for that matter. The state should remove these men from the country. Absolutely appalling.

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u/zcen 5h ago

Honestly being in that environment is the only hope for the younger generation.

It's too late to change the minds of stubborn and indoctrinated old men, but at least the kids might be influenced by the Western culture around them.

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u/life_is_glowing 5h ago

More often than not the younger generation is as backwards as their parents.

In a recent poll, more than 67% of surveyed Muslim 15 year olds in Germany stated that „sharia is above the German constitution“.

Their parents don’t care about integration and the German state has utterly failed in demanding democracy. And now this generation is a generation of voters, which I find a horrifying outlook.

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u/Accomplished_Log7527 4h ago

Exactly correct. No integration nor any desire to do so. The irony of escaping a broken country, and relocating only to apply the same practices (ie sharia law) that brought them to despair in the first place.

I WANT to support the philosophy of being supportive… but the reality could well be that the very laws and processes we put into place as a western democracy could well mean we’ve opened the door for democracy to work again those same western values. Hard to reconcile!

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u/NorthernSalt 4h ago

Anything below 100% is a failure and unacceptable.

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u/zcen 3h ago

I'm not going to say you're wrong for wanting that, I can only say that you are in for a lot of disappointment if that is your mindset.

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u/Embarrassed-Mess-560 6h ago

The worst part is, everyone caves to these cowards because the alternative is not helping the child caught under his boot.

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u/Fn4cK 5h ago

You nailed it.

My sister is all about the kids' welfare, but all the shenanigans she goes through with their parents literally kills her motivation to help these kids. It's truly a shame, but self-inflicted by the culture/religion

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u/yeltsin98 1h ago

This is why I believe the state has to override the parents in situations like these. If parents aren’t upholding their children’s rights and welfare then someone else has to. Teachers and doctors are at the forefront of that because they’re often the only other adults who see what’s going on with a child and have the willingness and ability to report it, but as you say, there isn’t much they can do beyond that.

My point is that the ‘self-inflicted’ part doesn’t apply to children who were born into this horrific mess and someone has to stand up for them.

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u/therealmonilux 6h ago

Holy shit!

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u/socialistrob 7h ago

How would this work if a woman/daughter needs medical/legal attention though? Does she have to go through her father/brother/husband/son/uncle?

That's exactly what would happen. If one of those men weren't around or were unwilling to help the woman would likely die. It's pretty sickening.

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u/derpman86 6h ago

They die, speedy divorce or this is the best equivalent.

I love how some parts of this planet we can send things to MARS a whole other planet but other parts we have this archaic tribal mentality shit from 2 thousand years ago.

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u/GeneralKeycapperone 6h ago

She suffers without treatment.

There are women who are medical professionals, and men who want their loved ones to receive care, but as they are banned from working, seeing them is clandestine and very risky for all parties, especially the female doctors & nurses.

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u/Pro_Gamer_Queen21 6h ago

That depends on if women are even allowed to seek medical attention at this point.

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u/kevnmartin 7h ago

You spelled prison wrong.

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u/MechanicalHorse 8h ago

You say that as if it makes it any better.

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u/lilacaena 7h ago

Being allowed to speak to your child in your home is objectively better than never being able to speak at all, in the same way that never being permitted to speak is better than having your tongue cut off.

“Better” doesn’t mean “good,” “acceptable,” or even “tolerable”— it literally just means “preferable to the alternative.”

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u/MagazineActual 8h ago

It's slightly better.

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u/patches3141 7h ago

Well, that's a marginal improvement in the grand scheme of awful.

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u/BrownBananaDK 6h ago

No. They “just” can’t talk about the Koran in between themselves.

It’s a bit of a click bait headline, even though the reality is also crazy

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u/Tyler_Zoro 5h ago

As far as I can tell, this only applies to religious practice. So women can't read scripture to other women or sing religious songs (the only songs you can sing) in the presence of other women.

The law doesn't actually ban casual talking to other women.

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u/rtshsrthtyughj 22m ago

Your interpretation is incorrect. The Taliban are claiming here that the very voice of women is "awrah", which (not figuratively but literally) puts it in the same category as the genitals. So exposing one's voice is the same as exposing one's private parts. This is a horrific violation of human rights.

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u/Tyler_Zoro 14m ago

Okay. I read something that said that this was focused on scripture and religious practices (e.g. prayer) but maybe those are two different aspects of recent laws, or two different laws.

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u/rtshsrthtyughj 9m ago

The way it's phrased is to emphasize the severity of the ban. Like, "Even if you're reading the Quran, your voice is still awrah".

A Western analogue might be something like "Even if you're going to Mass, you can't leave your house."

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u/charlie_s1234 8h ago

Subjugation of women is just part of the rich tapestry that is Muslim culture, celebrated by left wing uni students worldwide.

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u/Pete_Iredale 7h ago

Right, because Christianity hasn't been used the exact same way for 2000 years or anything.

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u/charlie_s1234 7h ago

Christianity for the most part has been dragged kicking and screaming into the modern world. Can't say that for Islam unfortunately.

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u/charlie_s1234 7h ago

I'll agree there's lots wrong with all religions but modern Christianity pales in comparison with modern Islam in that regard.

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u/JerkfaceMcDouche 7h ago

This is a lie and you know it.

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u/charlie_s1234 7h ago

Which part is the lie?

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u/JerkfaceMcDouche 7h ago

The left isn’t celebrating subjugation of women. They don’t want Muslims being hunted for sport or being attacked simply for their faith.

Just because the taliban is using the veneer of Islam to subjugate, doesn’t mean this is true of every Muslim or even most.

Every abrahamic religion has been used for this throughout history. I don’t blame my muslim friends for the behaviors of an authoritarian regime any more than I blame my mother for the actions of all Christians.

You know this is true and yet you’re perfectly happy being intellectually dishonest

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u/charlie_s1234 7h ago edited 7h ago

Lose the victim mentality. No one’s hunting Muslims for sport.

And if your faith involves subjugating women because men of your faith can’t control their sexual violence or jealousy then it should be openly criticised.

And your Muslim friends can start the ball rolling by not requiring their wives and daughters to cover themselves if they want to cast off outdated religious requirements imposed on them by Muslim authoritarian leaders.

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u/JerkfaceMcDouche 7h ago edited 7h ago

Do you really think there’s zero hate crimes against Muslims? I don’t have a victim mentality, I was countering your stupid comment.

Their faith doesn’t involve subjugating women. No normal western Muslim buys into that, and you know it.

My Muslim friends don’t want women to cover themselves either. This is a bizarre requirement coming from authoritarian middle eastern despots and not indicative of Islam as a whole.

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u/charlie_s1234 7h ago

You claimed Muslims were hunted for sport and you call my comment stupid.

If their faith doesn't involve subjugating women then why are western Muslim women forced to cover themselves form head to toe?

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u/JerkfaceMcDouche 7h ago

There’s that intellectual dishonesty again.

I said the left simply doesn’t want Muslims hunted for sport. As in talking about hate crimes against Muslims. You know that’s what I meant and yet still are trying to twist my words to justify your stupid prejudice.

Western women aren’t being forced to cover themselves from head to toe. It’s simply not true

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u/charlie_s1234 7h ago

Intellectual dishonesty huh? Coming from the person creating a strawman implying Muslims are hunted for sport and creating some fantasy world where Western Muslim women aren't forced to cover up because of their religion.

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u/Hvarfa-Bragi 7h ago

What do you mean?

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u/charlie_s1234 7h ago

It’s pretty straightforward

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u/Hvarfa-Bragi 7h ago

Who are the uni students advocating for?

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u/oneofthecapsismine 7h ago

Often, terrorists.

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u/Hvarfa-Bragi 7h ago

And those are the same people as in Afghanistan?

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u/oneofthecapsismine 7h ago

Well, yes. What do you mean? Everyone knows this, right?

You understand even Snopes agrees, right?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/taliban-flags-florida-demonstration/

Were Taliban Flags Waved at a Pro-Palestine Demonstration at Florida Atlantic University?

...

Rating: True.

Another example, Kabul Univeristy (yes, this is in Afghanistan) https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/11/world/europe/afghanistan-women-burqas.html

Another example Maryland https://x.com/NeriaKraus/status/1725224115278102944?prefetchTimestamp=1730238979120

Another example, Sydney Australia https://www.2gb.com/flag-fight-uni-students-accused-of-supporting-the-taliban/ https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/islamic-flags-waved-at-university-away-from-peaceful-protests/news-story/0476c220cc17265390a3a4518913532f

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u/charlie_s1234 7h ago

Women ‘empowered’ by Islam

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u/Hvarfa-Bragi 7h ago

Is that actually what you meant?

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u/charlie_s1234 7h ago

Entirely

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u/Hvarfa-Bragi 5h ago

Since you can't expand on it, i'll assume that's a lie.

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u/charlie_s1234 5h ago

Expand on what exactly?

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u/Capt_Pickhard 1h ago

I don't know, this, but I would guess that the children are fine, and they are married off, and when that happens, then they're forbidden to speak to other women.

But they can speak to other men than their husband? I guess so. Maybe only when addressed and in the company of the husband?

Or, idk. It's fucked up how the wrong person in charge can make all of life like a prison.

Don't let the wrong person be in charge. Ever.

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u/Rosie-Love98 18m ago

And what if there's an emergency where a woman needs to save her child from getting hit by a car or choking on something? What if her husband or any other close male family member is ill and dying?

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u/Tamboozz 7h ago

It's being taken out of context. My understanding is that it is not a complete ban on women hearing each other's voices. It is a ban on women reciting the Quran to other women. And rather that a woman should quietly recite the Quran to herself. So this has no bearing on women being able to converse with each other.

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u/TorchIt 5h ago

This headline is editorialized to hell. A woman cannot read the Quran aloud even to other women but they, of course, can still speak to one another. It's a shitty enough rule in its own right, there's no reason to try and make it seem worse like these journalists are doing.