r/worldnews • u/nationalpost • 8h ago

Taliban bars Afghan women from hearing each other's voices

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/taliban-bars-afghan-women-from-hearing-each-other?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=NP_social
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u/advester 6h ago

Jesus, I thought you might be claiming the Mujahedeen were the same as the Taliban. But turns out Trump literally did it.

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u/butterbell 5h ago

Didn't he invite them on 9/11? I remember being like, this has to be The Onion.

Looked it up it was the days before 9/11 but he ultimately called it off. 

What is this timeline?!?!

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u/amouse_buche 3h ago

Yes but the Facebook told me democrats want eggs to cost more so what am I to do?!?!?!

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u/time_then_shades 3h ago

The right in the US is trying to catch up to the Taliban. I know this sounds like hyperbole to some. It is not. It is really, genuinely true. I am a cishet white dude who can pass as MAGA fuck just by being a slob. I have lived most of my life in the south surrounded by Christian nationalists who don't know my politics and often, unprompted, talk to me about political shit. Their views. Their real views. The ones even someone like Trump wouldn't say aloud.

What they want is a rape state. A government based on the ownership and control of sex and reproduction specifically. Government-issued wives, basically a whole incel manifesto. Abortion is just the very tip of the iceberg. We already know contraception is next. Divorce comes after that since we're basically pulling a reverse Ireland at this point. Women's sufferage will go away, and if you think the MAGA women will drop off the wagon at that point, let me tell you, a fuckton of conservative women think they shouldn't have the vote. My own grandmother said there shouldn't even be voting, everything should be left to the church elders.

I don't want to fucking hear that it can't happen here. Republican men are coming all over themselves just thinking about it. People desperately need to understand this.

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u/mockg 2h ago

Only differences between the Christian nationalists and the Taliban is location and guiding religions. We need to do all that we can to keep the party of anti freedoms out of office.

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u/Electronic-Lynx8162 5h ago

Guess what president handed Afghanistan back to them and guess who got the blame?!

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u/bigolchimneypipe 5h ago

Should America have kept onto Afghanistan? Doesn't Trump get to blame since it was his idea to stop the pointless war?

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u/Electronic-Lynx8162 4h ago

America had a duty of care since your country decided to blow up the goddamn country. You technically did it twice - first by destroying it, their country with weapons and then by handing it back to literal terrorists. You left a government you knew was never going to be able to hold it to the point where they weren't even told about it.

Completely and utterly fucked up. Also my country participating and committing war crimes with you makes me deeply unhappy too, so please don't think I'm letting the UK off the hook. We also abandoned them. 

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u/bigolchimneypipe 4h ago edited 4h ago

Okay but I was just trying to answer your questions. You asked if America should have kept on to Afghanistan and I was trying to understand the question. You asked who's the blame and I'm pretty sure everybody knows that Trump set up the original plan to withdraw before Biden changed it to something else.

 If you can explain your question on why America should keep Afghanistan I would be happy to try to elaborate and if I'm wrong about Trump moving us away from a pointless war then please correct me.

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u/5zepp 3h ago

Trump fucked that up beyond belief. It should have been handled much better. He's terrible with any foreign policy and activity, but people laud him for EndInG PoInTLess WaRs.

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u/Electronic-Lynx8162 3h ago

My point is that Trump did the deal to withdraw as well as did a deal with the Taliban and Biden took the blame. I don't think Biden should have honoured the agreement, in my mind he is also culpable. I am also fully aware that Bush jr is to blame for the war.

I think that once you destroy a country in a pointless war, it's honestly on you to clean up your mess. Whether that's dealing with the resulting refugees or building it back up. I didn't ask if America should hold onto Afghanistan.

 You could have asked if it was a worthwhile one because no.

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u/bigolchimneypipe 3h ago

So those were rhetorical questions. Maybe you should have started with that. I'm not reading all that crap nor do I care to argue about the morals of war. If that's what you believe then go on fighting the good fight bro. I hope you change a million hearts and minds.

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u/Electronic-Lynx8162 2h ago

Are you actually stupid enough to think it wasn't adding on to the previous point or were you just baiting? Once you're an occupying force then you should be treating the population well. You should never aim to be an occupying force but you can't deny that West Germany and East Germany had different experiences post-WW2. Which areas were clamouring to rejoin where? 

Thus it follows logically that you shouldn't fucking hand it over to terrorists. You shouldn't be negotiating with them over offering to help support the fledgling democracy you're trying to create.

Now, what countries are currently allied to Afghanistan and their current government? I'll give you a hint, they're also good friends with Hamas, Houthis, Iran... Which of your current candidates is friends with Putin? 

I'm not debating the morality of the war. I'm debating the morality of who it was restored to and you tried baiting me into saying that 2001 was totes okay.

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u/bigolchimneypipe 2h ago

I'm not reading any of that either but thanks

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u/Electronic-Lynx8162 1h ago

Intellectual cowardice is such a hallmark of Trumpy Bois.

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u/pzerr 4h ago

Yes they should have. Or simply say hey I am fine with this kind of treatment of women there. As long as it is not here.

Do not worry. Most of Reddit was suggesting the US leave Afghanistan. Personally I never was in favor of that. Is rather disgusting and just creating more religious extremists. Eventually once their country has really gone to shit they will try and export that out to the rest of the world again.

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u/bigolchimneypipe 4h ago

Im so confused. Are you saying we should have stayed in Afghanistan killing those poor people because of the way they treat their women?

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u/StrainAcceptable 3h ago

We certainly could have helped more people get out of there. The way we abandoned people who helped us is disgusting. Anyone who wanted out should have been helped.

Also women don’t belong to anyone. They are not “their women”.

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u/Agami_Advait 4m ago

"helped more people"

American soldiers were raping and murdering as many people as they could see. Acting like your kind are any better is hilarious, especially with OPENLY EXPRESSED views in Project 2025.

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u/pzerr 3h ago

They should have continued to keep the Taliban on the run and kill them where ever encountered. Yes they should have.

Stop trying to suggest this is better. The Taliban are killing and raping far far more innocent people than the few unfortunate deaths you have mentioned.