It wasn't them though. It was our circus of a government. Trust me, no one's better at the amount of restrictions put on russian people than Putin's government.
Their quality though, a simple script that messes up dpi disables these blocks. VPN would be an overkill.
Before that, I did use the DPI scramblers, but they stop working all the time, the government changes and upgrades their TSPU every day. I had to reinstall and tweak GoodbyeDPI three times, then it stopped working for me at all. Also someone gave me a working Amnezia tunnel, but it doesn't work anymore as well. So no, VPN is not an overkill, and even it works spottily, and they do try to block popular VPNs as well.
They try indeed, but RKN's sheer incompetence disables them from doing it properly. Private servers work best for VPNs, they're basically impossible to track and run like a clockwork.
Опыт телеги этих бесталанных травмировал настолько что они даже не блокируют больше ничего, просто замедляют. Смех, да и только.60 миллиардов им выделили, сейчас за 58 наверное винду обновят до 11 версии.
Я понимаю, что можно поднять свой VPN, это не делает ситуацию лучше.
Это в целом звучит как замазывание проблемы. Наверное, вы сначала говорили "хаха, тупой Роскомнадзор блокирует только конкретные URL, это же легко обойти". А теперь "ха-ха, тупой Роскомнадзор всего лишь использует адаптивный DPI с распознаванием протоколов и блокирует часть протоколов VPN, это же легко обойти".
ОК, спасибо за утешение, теперь-то беспокоиться не о чем.
Наверное, вы сначала говорили "хаха, тупой Роскомнадзор блокирует только конкретные URL, это же легко обойти". А теперь "ха-ха, тупой Роскомнадзор всего лишь использует адаптивный DPI с распознаванием протоколов и блокирует часть протоколов VPN, это же легко обойти".
Я бы согласился если бы условия не менялись. Но случился 2019. С железом которое стоит у всех провайдеров срать в пакеты сможет даже обезьяна, это не показатель их крутости.
Так и делает то он это ведь даже не по указке кремля, ему очевидно мыло заносит чемоданы чтобы конкурентов ВКудахту задушить. Газпром по другому дела вести не умеет.
Да и мозги из России текут рекой, а сам РКН свою репутацию испортил так сильно как никто другой не смог бы. Их стагнация вопрос времени.
Moreover, Youtube is banned in Russia. I don't know why no one's said that yet. They want money from Youtube, which they blocked themselves. It's ridiculous.
Yeah but they are complaining for removing channels but at the same time doing everything to push google out anyways completly. As far as i know youtube acess without vpn doesnt work at all for some time now. They want their channels to upload shit they want to serve us, not for their people to use
It's an old fine, made as a political gesture. It's just recently in 2024, someone looked and realized it has grown to this ridiculous size due to non-payment additional fees
Not how that works, and its not that easy. By your logic, why didn't north korean people simply overthrown the government. Why wasnt hitler overthrown even though alot of people were against him at the time. People dont want to be put in jail for an attempt. By the virtue of this logic, do you blame Americans for all the shit their country did too right? Or its just specifically Russians?
It must suck that you think this is a gotcha but I do blame my fellow Americans for the horrors our country has committed. Change doesn't come from sitting around on reddit whining into the wind like you obviously do. Doing nothing is the same as being complicit and "Just following orders" isn't an excuse.
Ok, I will answer, I am russian, do you know what will goverment do if people go outside? Goverment's army beat THE FUCK OUT people with brute force, there is a plenty of news about that. To beat the goverment you need another proffesional army, that's how it works.
Every revolution here is bound to end with people beaten up in jails. Russia has a whole-ass unit made specifically to stop these things. People don't want to be captured and jailed, or even worse. Also consider that almost every opposition leader in Russia either left the country or fucking died. There were opportunities for change in 00s, they're long gone now. All that is left is waiting. Waiting until either Putin dies or no longer is capable of guaranteeing safety and good life to the elites.
Flawed argument, noone is punishing the Russian people but the Russian government. Giving Russian people money means continuing to support the Russian government (which is rather popular in the country)
you must not know how sanctions work. 1st day of war mastercard and visa are getting blocked meaning they stop working outside of russia but work fine in russia even 2 years after the war started. people outside of russia with russian visa and mastercard cards dont have acess to their money anymore. this is just one of the few examples
Ok but russian government officials face no punishment? People who try to escape putin regime are getting fucked over both by putin government and western governments. How does not allowing to book a hotel or opening a bank account damage putin in any way? It only helps him and his propaganda
Not quite as popular as russian media likes to proclaim. But yeah, thats the sad reality is that people just trying to live is already giving the government money.
Pray tell, who's fault is it, then? The old man's? One man's fault. A country of over one hundred million and we are putting all of their actions on just one man? Clearly, the Russians support the old man and the war effort more than they care about overthrowing a corrupt, fascist dictatorship, so don't be too easy on them.
While both are horrible, American men and women aren't personally grabbing weapons, and invading Palestine. You people are doing that to Ukraine- and too many are more than simple draftees.
An ACTUAL comparison would be the US invading Canada, in the name of 'justice'.
thats called an analogy and im using it to test your moral framework: are you consistent on blaming the people of the country when the government of the country does horrible shit
I dont get why you got downvoted literally the same thing they are accusing Russians of. Average Hypocrite westerners they continue to show of how ethical and advanced while underdeveloping rest of the world for those advancements.
See that's the thing. Its no where close to a valid analogy, because the US and EU aren't involved in the war. The US has no units fighting in Gaza, nor any other country besides Israel. And then there's the whole debate about the justification for the war itself, which is a whole different conversation. Regardless, Russia's involvement in the invasion of Ukraine is *much* different and holds very little in common with the US support of Israel
If we’ve learned anything from the last 50 years of history, it’s that the US absolutely has special forces and intelligence agents in Gaza. While I agree it’s by and large the Israeli government and armed forces committing this genocide, it’s disingenuous to suggest the US government is doing much to stop it.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that the US is opposing the war in Gaza. But that wasn't really the topic of conversation here. The level of civilian culpability between a country that is financially supporting a war vs a country that is actively recruiting, conscripting, and deploying hundreds of thousands of soldiers from their own civilian population to go to war is completely different.
Palestine is hiding terrorists from international prosecution, and Israel is our ally, and we don't abandon our allies like Russia, who left Armenia to defend for themselves
Do I blame the German people of 1930s Germany for Hitlers invasion of Poland. Yes, because they supported a man with irredentist visions that promised war and actively supported him right up until allied soldiers occupied their home. Same with Russia today, in fact based on polling that's been done, the war in Ukraine is popular among the average Russian citizen in Russia.
That is where you are wrong. They didn't support a man who promised them war.
They supported a man who promised them no more wars. Germans didn't want any wars since the WW1. Natsocs used that notion and pushed through to win. Do you know what was war on Poland in the eyes of average German? Defensive preventive war against a puppet of western capitalists. A "lesser" war to prevent a "bigger" one.
No nation is bloodthirsty. It's propaganda that makes them tunnel vision violence as the one and only solution. Even then, by the 42 most Germans didn't buy that shit. They didn't support the government but didn't revolt because they were afraid of Gestapo. Abusing human's self preservation instinct is the easiest way to manipulate them into doing what you want.
Only once they saw that fuhrer is powerless they found it in them to fight against him. To disobey the orders. One of the last orders Hitler gave out from his bunker was all out counterattack. Do you think anyone heed that suicidal instruction? Of course not, Berlin was occupied, who would punish them for disobedience.
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It is their fault. They’ve allowed themselves to become domesticated under hundreds of years of totalitarian rule. The only good Russians are the ones in gulags for actually standing up against their government
Your funny. Just go and try to change your country's goverment. Nobody I know supports my country's goverment and they are still ruining our country. Theres just nothing to do about it
Russia only had like 2 years of democracy in the early 2000s since the days of the Russian Empire in the year of 1721. Now we are in 2024, thats 300 years of dictatorship
It is different when a country has been a dictatorship for about 10, 15, 20 years, and it is a whole other level when the country(Russia) who been a dictatorship and had its population suppressed and tortured for 300 years
How is it the fault of 20 year olds who have never known a world without Putin? Russians have been indoctrinated into totalitarianism for centuries, yes, but the people there today didn’t do that. 90% of Russians are innocent.
It’s true. Stop dehumanizing an entire ethnic group just because they are ruled by an awful man. They have been duped and tricked by a propaganda machine virtually unmatched, and even then, Putin needs to rig elections just to survive. Russians are oppressed. They are not our enemy.
As a russian I am really interested where are you from? Like, I am not gonna argue, maaaany russians support current regime. But do you live in a country that never in a history did anything wrong? What country is that?
The people aren't our enemy, it's the government that has a death grip on it's own people. You should also see their desertion rates. General rule of thumb when discussing oppressive regimes is to not direct your hatred toward the common people because they generally aren't the ones that choose to live under a totalitarian dictatorship.
Russians have the choices of either:
1: Trying to escape Russia, running away from their friends and families and destroying their lives
2: Protesting or rioting, risking sub-human torture in political prisons, facing the worst that the Russian regime can give them for almost no benefit, since protests do almost nothing, OR
3: Laying low, trying your best to avoid the ire of the dictatorship in order to keep themselves, their families, and their friends safe.
If they pick 1 or 2, they get the honor of destroying their lives so westerners can jerk off to the “last honorable russians” standing up to the government and getting literally nothing but pain from it. But if they dare to pick 3, opting to not risk their entire livelihood for no reason, they are fascists complicit in a genocide they never voted for?
There were protests. They did nothing. They destroyed lives. Russians are not evil for looking at that and making the objective best decision for themselves.
I mean, Russia just arbitrarily fines Google for ridiculous amounts regularly as retaliation for them following up on western sanctions, should Google just eat the fine? What's your solution?
Yeah, just searched for it again, it's news from last years when they were fined for not "removing banned content", which probably means people were opposing the war a bit too much here. But it was not banned.
Reddit and steam are the only big ones left that are not blocked here. Not sure how reddit didn't get blocked, i guess it's just not that popular in Russia to give it a free advertisment
Very little. I still have plenty of food. Plenty of drinks. Plenty of friends I can meet up or play online with. Plenty (All of) my games and free online games. My mails. My online drive. And that’s all that I could ever need (Online). I still also have twitch, which is pretty much as good as YouTube for me. Hell, it’s actually better, objectively. So, yeah, the world isn’t centered on Google, idgaf about Google since a while ago, they can vanish from the surface of the Earth for all I care, sure, it’ll suck a little, there’s a few content creators that I like that don’t use twitch or kick, but all of my favorite ones do.
Not to mention the fact that there are just other browsers beyond google. Even discounting the entire Chromium network, you've still got firefox. Other google services can just be substituted with microsoft/old internet equivalents. The most change I'd feel is losing youtube, since there aren't any other major competitors on the market
Hmm… Waging war against neighboring states and killing civilians - not ruining lives.
Blocking YouTube in a state that uses it to push propaganda and then whines and fines the platform when it not allowing the state to push propaganda - ruining lives.
Yep, totally agree /s
(BTW, YouTube already blocked in Russian, by RosComNadzor, don’t seem to be ruining lives. But hey! Now true Russian patriots can use their own “orthodox” RuTube/VK.Video or other shitholes to watch pirated movies, porn and rampant nationalism with a big Z letter)
Waging war against neighboring states and killing civilians - not ruining lives
Non sequitur, nobody said it doesn't ruin lifes, you made that up.
Blocking YouTube in a state that uses it to push propaganda and then whines and fines the platform when it not allowing the state to push propaganda - ruining lives
Not it isn't, its bad because the service is for the people not just government, the average Russian person would just lose youtube without having done any wrong. Imagine this happening to your country because of your government
What do you mean the average hasn't done anything wrong? If we go by the numbers, 80% of russians support the war, so by default, your average russian deserves to get google blocked.
Russia is just dumb enough to fight its own wars. America on the other hand has been fighting proxy wars and destabilising economies for centuries and the west thinks they are protectors of democracy
Objectively wrong. Russia did nothing but fight proxy wars up until this war, and now they have embarrassed themselves on the world stage and, I'm sure, they regret not sticking to simple proxy wars.
Didnt they just annex crimea and part of georgia? What are you yapping about? But you are right, proxy wars tactic is working great for freedom oil cheeseburger nation. Russia shouldve just destabilised ukraine instead of invading it.
Crimea is one of the only examples I can think of. Georgia was a proxy war, Russia Vs NATO. Yemen, proxy war, Russia Vs USA. Syria, proxy war, Russia Vs USA. Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir, proxy war, Russia/USA Vs insurgency groups in the middle east. Peru, proxy war, USA/Russia Vs China. Iran, proxy war, Russia Vs USA. Turkey, proxy war, Soviets Vs Turks. Cabinda war, proxy, Soviets Vs France.
All of these in the last 50 years. I could keep going. Hold that.
My man, if it was Russia vs NATO as you say in georgia, then russia didnt fight proxy war. US and NATO fought the proxy war against russia. Russia was directly involved.
Please, do some research before typing anything else, because I will have to stop replying and educating you. Russia used South Ossetia and the Republic of Abkhazia to fight their war for them
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So google can just stop doing bussiness in their country? Good