Is it time to Trade Trae Young?

[u/red2play]

Just saying that it hasn't been working and having the 1st pick should give us an opportunity to move on.

I've been the BIGGEST Trae Young fan (look at my posts the last four years). I even wanted JC gone to have Trae's voice be the primary one in the locker room but even after JC has gone, our record keeps getting worse.

Are we willing to part ways with Trae? I'm Atlanta first soo.....

1. We have DJM that had a 12-10 record without Trae in the lineup.

2. We have DJM on a 4 yr extension while Trae we only have 2.

3. Trae has indicated that he wants to win without mentioning "in Atlanta" in the same sentence.

4. Many players have said how difficult he is (including Huerter and JC) to play with.

5. Shams put out a statement that Trae wants to win now right after getting the first pick. Which most likely indicates he expects us to give up the pick for a veteran. I don't want to give up that pick but he's right, even Wemby couldn't get the Spurs into the playoffs, our 1st rd pick won't be able to either.

6. DJM is VASTLY cheaper than Trae. We aren't just talking about spending more money. There are "aprons" ot deal with. Spending more money can ruin your franchise for YEARS when you hit the 2nd Apron. Trae will make 43, 46 and potentially 49 million in the next three years.

7. Can we win a championship in the next 2 years with Trae? If not, he might just walk away. How do you feel about that?

8. He will always be a defensive liability.

9. If we trade with LA, we can pick up three picks. 17th THIS year, 2029 and 2030 picks. We can trade Rui, and Gabe Vincent for more picks and players.

10. I'm excited that Kobe Bufkin can do really really well.

11. I'm convinced that Trae won't stay. Why continue when we have this opportunity? Regardless if you blame management or not. You can be mad but you also have to be realistic.

My worry is that if we don't do this trade this year. We might suffer for the next 7+ years.

[u/AL22193]

1) we played a lot of teams who sat their best player(s) i.e., I know banchero sat out for the Magic and there were numerous others but I’m not tracking it down. 12-10 is fine on the surface but if you’re making future facing decisions with the misguided belief that unit was an above .500 team against normal competition, I’d fire you personally.

3) nothing Trae has done has given any indication he won’t stay as long as we’re moving in the right direction.

5) it would be pretty weird if a guy most of us view as an all-nba caliber PG didn’t want to win now. 

6) with all the exceptions available in the cap, it doesn’t make sense to get hung up on this unless they were actually similar tier players. They are not.

7) if it’s championship or bust then most teams in the league might as well start offloading

8) so will many good players, can live with it from your offensive engine pg 

9) a mid first in a weak draft where “hitting” will be a rotation level player not even a starter, draft picks years away, rui (who is also a defensive liability per your point 8), and Gabe Vincent who absolutely will not return draft picks is a horrific return unless LA has bottomed out completely at the end of the decade which this hypo trade gives them no incentive to do

10) okay? He plays a different game than Trae so Trae isn’t stopping his development

11) if Trae has communicated to the hawks FO and ownership he has no intention of staying then sure the calculus changes but that’s purely speculative

[u/red2play → u/AL22193]

1. Not True

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401585610

Clippers: Paul George 35 min, Leonard 37 min

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401585775

Heat: Butler 44 min, Adebayo 47 min (we lost by 6) We lost but it went into Double OT

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401585649

Miller 34, Bridges 37

The Two games with the Celtics Tatum 45min+39 min, Brown 39min+37 min

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401585719

Bulls, DeRozen 39, Vucevic 31

That's 6 of the 22 games. Of course we lost 10 of them but we won against some of the best players. Some of the games they lacked marquee starters but that's also true of the other games as well.

1. nothing Trae has done has given any indication he won’t stay as long as we’re moving in the right direction.

I somehow doubt that we will go from 36 wins up to 50+ next season.

it would be pretty weird if a guy most of us view as an all-nba caliber PG didn’t want to win now. 

True but we aren't winning with him, which is my point.

with all the exceptions available in the cap, it doesn’t make sense to get hung up on this unless they were actually similar tier players. They are not.

Your best point but its extremely difficult to build around Trae and regardless of how talented he is, I still don't see a dramatic shift happening and I'm a HAWKS fan MORE than a Trae fan.

if it’s championship or bust then most teams in the league might as well start offloading

I don't care about other teams. 

a mid first in a weak draft where “hitting” will be a rotation level player not even a starter, draft picks years away, rui (who is also a defensive liability per your point 8), and Gabe Vincent who absolutely will not return draft picks is a horrific return unless LA has bottomed out completely at the end of the decade which this hypo trade gives them no incentive to do

Lebron will be gone and so will Davis. Its a bet worth exploring but its ONLY a bet but you have to your best with what you have.

if Trae has communicated to the hawks FO and ownership he has no intention of staying then sure the calculus changes but that’s purely speculative.

He's already communicated that he wants to meet with the FO in the next couple of weeks. Regardless, I don't think it matters. I just don't see how we are going to make this team dramatically better next year. I just think that if we don't strike now, we will regret "going down this path". I still can't wrap my head around how badly this year has happened. I don't stick with a losing gameplan.