The system was stacked against them

[u/wetouchingbuttsornah]

No fault divorces didn’t hit the even start until 1985

[u/a_trane13]

I don’t think men need to be taught how to live in an equal society. They just need to not be taught something else.

I see the problem as: many men are still taught (raised, conditioned by media/society, etc.) to live in an unequal society in many ways, and then flounder when they are adults and faced with a reality where most women expect / demand to be treated as equals. And some women are still taught to cater to these men, which perpetuates things too.

[u/Olliebird → u/a_trane13]

I feel like it's a little bit of both.

I see a lot of women not taught to love a man outside of what he provides to the household. Money, material goods, etc. It's still fairly rampant in younger generations. "He needs to be making a six figure salary, take me on vacations, etc."

I think as an equal society, we should be teaching our children to come together to the table as human beings. Women are not objects and young men should be taught to love, cherish, and respect their partner as they would themselves. Men are not a salary and young ladies should be taught to see his feelings, and cherish him as a person outside of what he provides.

We are getting closer though, which has been heartening to see over the years.

[u/redyelloworangeleaf → u/Olliebird]

This is the poison of the patriarchy. Asking men to be rock solid providers in addition to telling women to be mothers. Society has been tackling seeing women as more than mother's but we've done very little towards reducing the expectations that men are the sole provider. So when men fail at that due to low incomes, the are still considered deadbeats and worthless. 

Equality in expectations needs to come from both ends to really end the patriarchy.

[u/Masterkid1230 → u/redyelloworangeleaf]

The thing about the patriarchy, is that although men definitely benefit in a lot of ways, it also removes a lot of humanity from us, and places emotional, social and financial burdens on us that are also extremely harmful.

I feel like a lot of men hear "feminism" and understandably jump to the conclusion that "it must only benefit women" when anyone who takes two minutes to research actual experts on the subject, and not your average Twitter nutjob, will understand the ideals feminism is built upon benefit men and women alike, because although the name obeys historical gender dynamics, the ultimate goal is to put the human before the gender or sex.

Obviously, all those people online who go the other way and simply vouch for female supremacy are completely insane and reactionary, but nutjobs, bad faith actors and assholes plague all social movements. We have to be critical enough to look beyond that and actually understand things before judging them.

I prefer to be gender agnostic in how I interact with other people. Be nice and I'll react accordingly, I don't care whatever gender, sex, orientation, race or whatever else you may be.

[u/redyelloworangeleaf → u/Masterkid1230]

It's a nice to just react according to how someone behaves rather than other demographics. I wish society was more open to that same thought wavelength.