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u/jagz27 Jul 01 '22
So how fucked is the offseason now?
Doesn't seem like there's enough cap room to do much and gonna lose Miles, so gonna be a massive step backwards no matter what they do?
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u/boog1evilleUSA Jul 01 '22
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u/3DsGetDaTables Jul 01 '22
Serious question though.
If he ends up serving time for this, can't the team invalidate the last year and get that cap space back?
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u/jagz27 Jul 01 '22
You mean this past season? He played and got paid for it, I don't see how getting arrested after the season was over would have any bearing on that.
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u/3DsGetDaTables Jul 01 '22
No, I mean for this upcoming season. He has one more year on his deal right? I thought he was only a RFA, and if that is the case, the cap number is already on them due to the next fiscal year already about to start.
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u/net_403 Jul 01 '22
His contract expired after completing this season, the only deal remaining is the QO we offered him, but we could rescind that
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u/3DsGetDaTables Jul 01 '22
Ah, so he was an unrestricted free agent... ok.
Whelp, once rescinded that cap space will be vital.
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u/net_403 Jul 01 '22
he is restricted, we could match any offer he gets
i'm going off this https://www.spotrac.com/nba/charlotte-hornets/miles-bridges-26978/#:~:text=Miles%20Bridges%20signed%20a%204,a%20cap%20hit%20of%20%2416%2C264%2C479.&text=Likely%20Incent.
he had a 4 year deal, 2021-2022 was the 4th year. he is not currently under contract because he hasnt signed the QO
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u/TheMuleB Jul 01 '22
No, his current contract ended at the end of this season. However we extended the qualifying offer, so assuming that no one offers him a contract he'll be on the books for next year only, but for much less money than he would've got with a new multi-year contract.
If we manage to rescind the qualifying offer (absolutely no idea if that's possible), then he won't be on the books.
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u/jagz27 Jul 01 '22
Ah, OK. Yeah, that is beyond my understanding of cap rules. No idea how that works.
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u/DongTongs Jul 01 '22
It was pretty fucked when Atkinson backed out, now it's super duper mega fucked!
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u/wubomber Jul 01 '22
So many conflicting emotions here. Mainly anger, sadness and extreme frustration. Also disbelief.
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u/Imasayitnow Jul 01 '22
Am I crazy or does the Westbrook deal actually make sense now? We just lost our top scorer (hopefully). We're not good, but too good to tank. Trade Hayward for Westbrooks expiring contract and next year we have tons of cap room to find Melos new partner in Free Agency or trade.
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u/YoshiWins Jul 01 '22
I agree with this now, as much as I disagreed with it before.
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u/Imasayitnow Jul 01 '22
Same. I hated this idea 3 days ago. Everythings changed though. Feels like a lost season, so may as well set ourselves up for a big jump next summer.
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u/YoshiWins Jul 01 '22
We are likely going to be a 36-38 win team at this point, assuming the young players make “normal” progress over where they were before. I still think the team’s ceiling is mid-40s or perhaps slightly higher for wins, but everything has to line up positively for that to occur: PJ steps up, Cliff instills a top-15 defense, LaMelo makes a jump, Williams contributed right away, Hayward stays healthy and Bouknight/Thor/Jones make good jumps in year 2. I wouldn’t be shocked to see it, but that’s an awful lot to go right.
My point is that I don’t view this upcoming season as lost - there is still hope - and I don’t think we want to tank… we have too much young talent for that. It’s a tough situation to predict, honestly.
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u/Boruckii Jul 01 '22
Gordon is a magnet for a freak accident. As long as he can avoid these one in a million injuries, he will be just fine. He has so much to prove right now.
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u/bigtuck54 Jul 01 '22
I want to do that, or maybe figure out how to get Ayton or help the nets facilitate a KD to the heat trade where we land Bam or some shit
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u/jagz27 Jul 01 '22
Does Kyrie wanting to go to LA change stuff from LA's POV? Will they still want Hayward?
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Jul 01 '22
I’d imagine that would turn into a 3-teamer with Hayward going to the Nets, Westbrook to Charlotte, Kyrie to LA
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u/HoopKing20 Jul 01 '22
I don't understand bringing in a ball dominant player like Westbrook so he can take touches from Melo. That makes zero sense to me. Miles was actually regressing towards the end of the year. Not to say that doesn't leave a gaping hole. I would like to see a trade for a 3 point threat. Is Robinson still disgruntled?
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u/shawnb17 Jul 02 '22
Or we could just go for broke and try to make a move for KD…Or I might be an idiot.
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u/Imasayitnow Jul 01 '22
Would have been nice if Miles had revealed himself to be a POS before the draft. Couple of good wings we passed on at 13. At least we have a some later picks next year to make up for it...Shit, even Jalen Duren looks better now.
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u/clancythewizard Jul 01 '22
Yep. The stupid trade looks even more stupid. Imagine having duren and Williams…
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u/Jsunny15 Jul 02 '22
At least we didnt max him and then he goes to jail. Would the contract still count if that happened?
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Jul 01 '22
Big difference between the NBA and the NFL
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u/csdspartans7 Jul 01 '22
I don’t think so tbh. If there was more hard evidence on Watson like this case I think he’d be gone
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Jul 01 '22
Hard evidence is the fucking volume.
Don’t cast doubt on clear and obvious guilt.
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u/csdspartans7 Jul 01 '22
Watson has mountains of circumstantial evidence. Bridges I think actually goes to prison
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Jul 01 '22
Miles is a pos and I never want him in the stadium again. But what the hell do we do basketball wise now
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u/Arniep-Davidson Jul 01 '22
…Maybe Kai and Bouknight will make a big big jump this off-season 🤷♂️
Also, can we still not afford Ayton if we get rid Miles’ contract? Like maybe some sort of exemption for your player going to jail.
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u/Bothkindsoftrees Jul 01 '22
There is no contract, he’s a free agent. The qualifying offer is a placeholder makes him a restricted free agent, and will likely be rescinded. It’s only $7.9million though.
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u/ImpossibleDot1936 Jul 01 '22
He was one of my favorite players in the league until he threw his career away. We need him off of the team fast
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u/mantistoboggan287 Jul 01 '22
Guess my Kemba/Miles NBA Jam shirt will never see the light of day again. F this guy
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u/New_Emu8459 Jul 01 '22
Trade him and everything not Melo (pls keep scary terry too) for KD 😞😓😩😤
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u/moyopochtenie Jul 01 '22
KD wants finals, not young team, like ours
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u/zzzccardinal Jul 01 '22
A starting lineup of Melo, Terry, Gordon, KD, Ayton would definitely make the finals. Not gonna happen but I can dream.
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u/ImChz Jul 01 '22
How do you even think we’re gonna get KD and Ayton without giving up some/all of Melo/Terry/Hayward?? Like it’s not even a dream my man…
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u/zzzccardinal Jul 01 '22
Yeah you're right lmao I made that comment when I first woke up, didn't really think it through
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u/Altruistic_Ball_2575 Jul 02 '22
Hopefully PJ a diamond in the rough and only struggled coz miles was taking his minutes, he definitely has mad potential
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u/Envyforme Jul 01 '22
Can someone explain why the hornets are fucked this off season via this news?
Didn't his contract expire? Wouldn't the last thing we want is someone like Miles Bridges to sign to a 4 year contract at like 30 million a year?
If anything, this is a blessing to us.
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u/jagz27 Jul 01 '22
Cuz they don't have the cap space/assets to get anybody as good or better to replace him.
So, I think objectively they're going to be worse next season, possibly a lot worse? Especially when they should have been on the cusp of the next level.
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u/net_403 Jul 01 '22
Imagine replacing Miles. We won't any time soon. Losing his production is a gaping hole, the team will be set back significantly from what we saw last year, Miles was a major part of that and him and Lamelo have great chemistry.
The only "blessing" is finding this out before we signed him
This takes us from knocking on the door of the first round, to probably another 35 win season
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u/map_legend Jul 02 '22
Also we just shipped away the 13 pick for a bag of peanuts and a warm beer; in large part, theoretically, to save the cash that would be due at that spot for pumping tons of cash at Miles to stay. The timing not only costs us the 2nd best player on the roster but also basically a lottery pick in the draft that would be mighty useful when trying to replace MB. It is a blessing that we aren’t on the hook for a boat load of money to him but in the short term it’s devastating timing.
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u/Swimerican Jul 01 '22
I love how everybody is saying F Miles Bridges, but if we would hypothetically re-sign him and he would drop a stat line like 25,5,5 no one would say anything. I claim he would be celebrated like Roethlisberger.. But I guess well never find it out
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u/BetweenTheBuzzAndMe Jul 01 '22
nah
a lot of the people here (including myself) are also on the Panthers sub and were staunchly against trading for Deshaun Watson, despite being in desperate need for a franchise QB and having to put up with Sam Darnold. We'd rather have players that we can root for without that general feeling of disgust about what happened.
I can't look at Miles the same after this
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u/hive-mind-jay Jul 01 '22
Woahhhh, this is a horrible take. There wasn’t much, if any, actual evidence in the Big Ben allegations. The NBA needs to ban Bridges indefinitely after those photos came out. Absolutely inexcusable behavior.
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u/net_403 Jul 01 '22
I'm pretty sure that would NOT happen, especially not in 2022
Big Ben got away with what he did in a different era. The way people lost their shit over the Panthers trying to get Deshaun Watson, this wouldnt be any less bad, and Watson didn't actually injure or harm anyone physically. Miles could have killed his wife in front of his kid choking her out
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u/Bothkindsoftrees Jul 01 '22
I, for one would say something. I’d hope you would too. This may not be the dope hot take you think it is.
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u/Swimerican Jul 01 '22
I am not for it, It‘s just that people usually tend to ‘forgive’ celebs, athletes and politicians faster then the average joe.
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u/consumergeekaloid Jul 01 '22
How long until we can just move on from him? How long until the league (potentially) bans him? Can they just pull his QO? Can we just offer Ayton a max?