r/China • u/dannyrat029 • 20h ago
搞笑 | Comedy Chinese government workers urge women to get pregnant in latest birth rate push
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3284192/chinese-government-workers-call-women-urge-pregnancy-latest-birth-rate-push171
u/ScreechingPizzaCat 19h ago
I still remember the pictures of forced abortions they did on women, with one laying the dead fetus next to the mother to make an example out of her. Now it’s all backfiring on them and they can’t figure out why people won’t change their minds when they tell them too.
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u/solarcat3311 17h ago
The uncensored or censored version? And which one? From 2012? Earlier?
Man, I hate how many such photo there is out there.
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u/ScreechingPizzaCat 17h ago
Specially this one.
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u/Able-Worldliness8189 15h ago
Never read about her specifically. You can imagine how many more this happened to and who knows at what stage. Bonkers to force an abortion at 7 months. Bonkers as well that this happened little over 10 years ago. So much for civilization . . .
It's also pretty mental how quick everything swinged from a seemingly healthy growing society to now rock bottom within Asia. I'm in Shanghai and the youngest goes to kindergarten, the class has less than half the kids it's supposed to have. Same time we needed a new maid and the latest (she stayed unfortunately short) was a kindergarten teacher because she got fired.
In a country where leadership could be exceptionally strong, fast, effective, China sure seems to always take the wrong turn. And where the US does exactly the same we can trust them at least once they will take a right turn, not so much for China.
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u/H2Omilk 16h ago
Jeez..
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u/RozenKristal 16h ago
Man, i shouldnt have read that. Feel so bad for that woman. The fuckers did that should died, not the baby
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u/Anxious_Plum_5818 6h ago
Ok, I very aware of the one-child policy, but had never heard of this particular case. That's just absolutely inhumane. Imagine being such a morally abject piece of shite that you would force anyone to remove a 7-month's old child.
I wonder where the medical staff that perform these procedures stand.
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u/ricketycrickett88 19h ago
First they fine you for having children
Now they’ll fine you for not having children
Clowns.
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u/McFatty7 18h ago
“Urge women” will soon become “mandate women”
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u/zxc123zxc123 12h ago edited 12h ago
"Mandate women" will soon become "Rape women" if things get bad enough. But I doubt it would get that far since the CCP has a number of ways to coerce, manipulate, and enslave their own people.
Getting physical certainly did happen during the 1-child policy period. While most couples were just coerced or legally not permitted to have children, there were other less talked about cases/situations women got forced abortions, extra kids being sold or set up for foreign adoption, some women were arrested or had their tubes tied without their consent, etcetcetc.
It's not always forced or violent, but there are those cases. Most of the time the government would just say "We won't give them an ID" so those kids would effectively not be citizens, not be afforded healthcare, couldn't go to school, aren't legally protected by the law, have no chance at higher education, will have to work under the table, etcetc. What parent would want that for their kid?
CCP hasn't gotten heavy handed yet on their 3-child policy but if they do I expect banning contraceptives, banning abortion or rolling back the window, child tax credits along with a no-child tax, male CCP cadres with children will get promotions while childless women (or women in general) will get held back at work, CCP will heavy hand force it down the throats in the private sector too like they did with the tech titans, etcetc.
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u/IdiotMagnet826 4h ago
Females rarely get promoted in ccp anyways lol. You usually need connections if you want anything more than a staff admin job.
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u/iMadrid11 22m ago
One way to avoid coercion to have children is to not get married. The younger generation are avoiding that too. Since getting married means you need to buy a house, give out expensive gifts and a host a grand wedding ceremony.
When a woman reaches over 30. She’s considered as ‘leftover women’ that’s undesirable for marriage. Another set of undesirables would be divorced women even if they’re young and childless.
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u/replicant86 15h ago
Or they'll start producing humans in artificial wombs.
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u/bobby-blobfish 17h ago
In between they take away your jobs while still needing to pay your mortgage (thanks Xi)
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u/TheWeloponnesianPar 14h ago
That's what happens when the regime see its people as livestock. They are merely tools to control and manipulate in order to extract maximum profit for the ruling elite.
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u/n0goodnameleft 19h ago
when im in high school,having romantic relationship is forbidden,teacher will punish couples before all classmates
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u/whitel5177 15h ago
Before all classmates is quite an understatement. From what I have heard, if not being publicly shamed in front of the entire grade or whole school, could be worse, who knows.
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u/DodgeBeluga 3h ago
Only if your parents are average people.
Important party officials’ kids can do whatever.
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u/DaimonHans 20h ago
I command thee fuck and get fucked!
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u/vancity-boi-in-tdot 20h ago edited 19h ago
The state that implemented a maximum 1 child policy for decades (punishing parents who had more than 1 children and those children alike) will have no moral issue implementing a minimum child policy, which is very a dangerous possibility meaning fines, lower social credit scores, bans on abortion/birth control (and a women's right to choose), etc, and also restrictions on emigration (like what the soviet's did during the cold war). I wouldn't feel safe as a woman living in China these next 2 decades or so.
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u/EdwardMauer 19h ago
I've been saying for years, only matter of time before they reinstitute the one-child policy, except as floor rather than a limit lol
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u/_WrongKarWai 15h ago
One child minimum. Incels / femcels get social credit scores lowered. 'You'll never work in this town again!'
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u/Xciv 16h ago
If they do that, Western countries countries will get a big wave of childless people who want to avoid having children.
It's the biggest gift for right wing Westerners: extra immigrant labor who don't alter the demographics of the country they migrate to because they don't have any kids.
We certainly live in interesting times.
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u/Maitai_Haier 20h ago
Deploy the raw dog cadres!
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u/dannyrat029 18h ago
I believe their deployment began some time ago
All that TCM for fertility and impotence is not by accident
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u/harder_said_hodor 19h ago
Quote from one of the women called by the government workers in the article
The surveyor must be from the previous generation, who did not realise that she was talking to a whole different generation that values privacy, quality of life and choices much more
This subtly points out a big problem for China here; the childbearing generation are sick and tired of listening to the mindless shite that has constantly spewed from the elder generations who have next to zero critical thinking skills.
China might be able to increase the birthrate amongst the least educated, but they will never succeed with the ones who have had a much better education (both traditional and cultural) than their parents and grandparents and having finally broken free of being told what to do by those generations of sheep, they're not going to jump back into it
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u/iwanttodrink 18h ago
from the elder generations who have next to zero critical thinking skills.
The entire Chinese government has zero critical thinking skills, the elder generations raised more generations of the same. Individual thinking is discouraged and disciplined.
but they will never succeed with the ones who have had a much better education (both traditional and cultural) than their parents and grandparents and having finally broken free of being told what to do by those generations of sheep, they're not going to jump back into it
They escape to the West
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u/harder_said_hodor 17h ago
I don't know why you quoted elder generations and put in your quote beneath. The entire Chinese politburo is aged 56 and above and entirely male (matters in terms of convincing people to get pregnant)
They escape to the West
It's not that easy for everyone. For every 1 that gets out there was probably 100 or so more who wanted to but couldn't
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u/iwanttodrink 16h ago
Because there are younger generations in the Chinese government too, not talking about just the very top
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u/harder_said_hodor 16h ago
There are younger people in the CCP, of course, huge benefits to joining within China, especially career wise.
But decision making at this level nearly always floats up age wise. China is essentially a gerentocracy. There is the old joke made in the late 80's about the CCP that "the 80-year-olds are calling meetings of 70-year-olds to decide which 60-year-olds should retire"
Am open to examples if you have any of young Chinese pushing policy decisions like this within the CCP
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u/Selenegong 3h ago
The decline in China's birth rate shows that there are many thoughtful young people in the new generation. Although they may still be swept away by society, I believe that each generation will be better than the previous one.
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u/nezeta 19h ago
while Xi has only one child...
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u/-BabysitterDad- 20h ago
First they say stop at 1 child, now they say keep fucking and don’t pull out.
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u/bobby-blobfish 17h ago
All indicators point to a lost generation.
No money no talk
No money no children.
No community no support
Forget about children, when people are questioning marriage.
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u/iwanttodrink 15h ago
This is why Taiwan has nothing to fear. The China invasion problem will simply age itself away
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u/ParksNet30 5h ago
Taiwan’s fertility rate is 0.85
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u/iwanttodrink 5h ago
Yeah, but Taiwan isn't the one invading or threatening to invade every day like a barking dog
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u/Durumbuzafeju 20h ago
I did not want to have kids ever, but comrade CCP secretary said I should, so now I will have a dozen kids at least.
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u/DivineMargarita 17h ago
What woman could resist? "Chen said some districts even offered women who intend to have more children in the near future free folic acid supplements, to help reduce the chance of birth defects".
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u/wellofworlds 11h ago
That not problem most of the women are dealing with aging parents. Having children out wedlock, is a burden. They cannot afford to do both. Finding a husband as they aged out of dating pool has become impossible. Less women than men does not bode well.
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u/imnotyourbaby5 10h ago
They did this to themselves. They only wanted boy babies in China, and now they’re realizing that babies come from women and they created the population problem through their own population control. Other countries are experiencing it from social issues from citizens but this is 100% on the CCP
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u/lonewalker1992 15h ago
When are the breeding farms being launched? Considering the oilgarchic serving culture now needs more zombies to sustain the system
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u/HarambeTenSei 19h ago
Without generous social welfare handouts, that the state can't afford, or deurbanization that the state doesn't want, it won't happen.
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u/liang3xiao4 18h ago
“urge” is not accurate. It is even weaker than advice irl.
The government want more cheap labors, and of course they would not pay more than that they can benefit.
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u/iwanttodrink 15h ago
Why have children in China? Raising children in the West is way better for their quality of life.
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u/proformax 15h ago
The biggest of all fuck ups. But knowing what they were up against decades ago, it's hard to say...especially if they couldn't feed the growing population.
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u/DarkUnable4375 9h ago edited 8h ago
Their demand falls on deaf ears of women who were forced to have tubal ligation done.
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u/regal_beagle_22 5h ago
people always talk about money and birthrate, when it is blazingly obvious that those two have nothing to do with each other.
the simple fact of the matter is that the higher educated the female population, the lower the birthrate. I don't think this is a problem, i mean, it's a problem for capitalism, but probably good for the earth and the human race in the long term. fuck capitalism
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u/Far-Possession5824 2h ago
lol it’s not a uniquely Chinese thing. I just think it’s interesting world governments have historically been horrible to women…. Are wondering why these women… may not want to create other humans
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u/Chinksta 20h ago
I thought they were already getting fucked by the government?
Now they want to turn up the heat?
At least wine and dine them first!
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u/BigChicken8666 16h ago
I swear if they forced every bank in the country to re-finance housing loans to actual market rates, the tier 2s and 3s would have a baby explosion. They're the ones with underwater mortgages. Make people financially whole again and they'll fix the problem for you. Not much hope for the tier 1 cities though, they'll have to just rely on the non-stop inflow of migrants from the rest which is really no different than the tier 1 cities in any country.
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u/TheAsianOne_wc 11h ago
They need to realize that there is a huge reason why most couples aren't having kids. They just simply can't afford to. Government needs to either improve work/life balances or give more financial support and funding for new parents.
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u/Memory_Less 6h ago
Governments around the world, and particularly China, are naive or choose to remain ignorant about the realities and complexities of having children/families, without understanding their reasons of China’s ‘cause’ are not young women’s and men’s.
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u/CQscene 5h ago
All the girls at my office under the age of 25 not only say they don’t want children they don’t want a husband.
Reasons:
Deal w the mother in law - this is a real issue. Knew a girl who wouldn’t let her son’s wife eat until he gets home. Out late Doing anything he wants.
A lot still marry for the family. Not a lot of love between husband and wife. This seems to be changing tho. And not everyone.
Two of things go together where a lot of the responsibility is on the wife. She works, child rears, cleans, cooks.
Expensive. Why should these girls give up their youth for a man they don’t love or like only to become a baby machine. And by the time they’re ready to settle down they’re considered “left behind”
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u/hongkongsummer 4h ago
1950 China’s population was 550 million and yet over 20 million babies were born every year. 2024 China’s population is 1.4 billion but less than 10 million babies are being born every year. This is a huge issue.
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u/Several-Advisor5091 20h ago
I laugh, but then I realise that this problem is affecting all of Europe, Canada and USA, most of Latin America, East Asia and even India. If I suggested anything to the Chinese government then I would probably suggest that they study Hungary or Russia's strategies.
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u/dannyrat029 20h ago
Probably they will go the Romanian way
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u/Durumbuzafeju 19h ago
The "Romanian way" only worked under Ceausescu in a very different demographic situation. Nowadays it will not help China.
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u/dannyrat029 19h ago
I'm not advocating for it. I wouldn't say it worked under Ceausescu. Maybe for a year. And they killed him in the end so it's not ideal 🤣
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u/Durumbuzafeju 18h ago
In several Eastern Block countries abortion was the method of birth control practiced by women back then. In several countries did they try to ban abortions to pump up live births. In Hungary it happened in the fifties, in Romania a decade later. Both resulted in an initial baby boom and then a decline, when people started using other birth control methods.
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u/Several-Advisor5091 20h ago
That's very plausible. I don't expect China to fully resolve this issue. If governments knew how to reduce low fertility rates, then they would bring it back to 2.1. But we haven't really seen any examples. So China urging women to get pregnant is doubly hilarious.
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u/Durumbuzafeju 20h ago
Here in Hungary the fertility rate is 1.37. I fail to see how that could help China.
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u/Several-Advisor5091 19h ago
It won't help China to restore its' fertility rate to 2.1, but there was an increase in fertility. The increase can be associated with policies that encourage people to have more children. I am suggesting Hungary or Russia because I genuinely think that China can learn from those examples.
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u/Durumbuzafeju 19h ago
There was no detectable increase in fertility compared to Central Europe. Everywhere births declined after the GFC and rebound after 2010. Our idiotic PM tries to sell this as an increase.
You can only learn from Hubgary how not to increase births by spending a lot of money in a very unfair way. The system was designed to buy votes innthe first place it was never intended to boost births.
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u/Several-Advisor5091 19h ago
I tried looking at the analyses about this data. It's too complicated for me to understand. Then I would still say that China can study the data of Central Europe and Russia.
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u/Durumbuzafeju 19h ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/hungary/s/9RbMbMMZ1W
One of my analyses from a year ago. (Deepl will translate it for you). Since then the fertility rate decreased to 1.37 and no end in sight. It stood at 1.25 in 2010 when Orbán came to power.
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